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Quote from: Gozie51 on December 25, 2023, 02:36:32 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

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When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

You could see he is not mad but probably mentally challenged which can come and go like temporary. There are people who are like that mentally that you only notice them when that moment come to them.

There is a different analysis to this story. He might be gambling before that challenge came to him which can explain why he still retain the ability to gamble and visit the gambling shop. Or he is not mentally challenged in the real sense because someone in such condition may not have the cognition to know how to gamble.

Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

If from what the story is that he walks into a gambling shop and does what others do in peace and leaves, I don't think there is a reason to deny him freedom of association or any other if he is of gambling age. In fact he may not be that challenged mentally not to know what he is doing.

Yeah, you nailed it bro, some people's mental challenges are occasional and when they're not having the crises, they act very normal and behave same. He is even normal enough to make his own money and game with personal funds. With the shop attendants testimony about the man's behavior, its very obvious the man is even more stable than some people that come into the betting houses and constitute various forms of nuisance and we still feel they're normal.

Some people who are drug addicts sometimes looks like street mad people when they appear in rags and look unkempt. Like you stated, he's of age and exhibits good behavior, so, I don't see anything that should disqualify him from doing what makes him happy.

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Quote from: tjtonmoy on January 04, 2024, 02:18:18 PM

It is not necessary that with prevent someone from gambling just because they are mentally ill. Maybe he finds it peace of mind by gambling after everything that he has endured. Every coin has two sides and I don't think it is different here. If that makes him happy, then why not let him do it.
If he is doing something bad and cannot stop it, then it is our responsibility to at least try to talk to him and get him out of this situation. If not then there's nothing wrong here. Let the man enjoy his life.

Of course we don't have the right to prohibit people who are not very mentally stable from carrying out gambling activities because we don't know what someone is going through and it could be that as you said, that person may need entertainment or calm and maybe that's the only hope. them to keep their mental stability stable and each person must have their own way of dealing with mental stability, if the person might disturb other gamblers of course the shop will kick him out and not allow him to gamble there but because the gambler can still control himself and not disturb him then it is it's not a problem either for other gamblers or the shop.

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Quote from: Huppercase on January 04, 2024, 01:42:22 PM

Quote from: Makus on January 04, 2024, 12:25:39 PM

I don't think you understand the profile of the person we are talking about. You might want to read the op again to be in the same plane with us all. Actually it was stated clearly at the op's that the mentally unstable person could be obviously identified due to the dirty cloths he wore, with his unkept hear and beard. However that description would only mean one thing when ever someone put on that kind of look, it means he is mentally unstable, meaning he goes nut most times or he doesn't think like a normal human being.

If I'm the attendants at the gambling shop, my guilt will not allow me to attend to the customer because the description says everything about him. But if I'm to follow the rules of the shop, I think I have every right to serve everybody equally because another though that will come to mind my mind is that a right person with a disable brain will come to gambling shop to play, he must have the idea to be that bold come and play, it's even odd for mentally challenged person to what to bets, they will likey beg for money to eat than say they want to bet.

In addition, if he has been playing and doesn't show any sign that he is unstable, even with his cloth and ways of appearance and understanding gambling, I will live him to do what he want to do in the shop. Who knows if that's what make him a happy person. You never can tell, people that we think are mad possesses some strange abilities, don't be shocked if he win one day from gambling.

If I read the statement that the staff said, their regular customers are not being harmed, which means that before, their customers did not dress like that. Maybe their customer just had a big problem, and that's why it happened.

But even so, it is right to treat their customers equally, whether they are rich or poor, whether they look like beggars or not; they should still be treated the same. That is the right way to treat gamblers or clients.

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Quote from: maydna on January 04, 2024, 11:33:16 AM

Quote from: Makus on January 04, 2024, 09:45:20 AM

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However, when the mentally unstable person had no intention of disturbing the people who were also gambling at the casino, the officers also didn't mind. They just assumed he was among the many gamblers who wanted to gamble. The officer allowed the person to gamble, and I think before the officer allowed the person to enter the casino, the officer must have asked his superiors first. Perhaps that's why the officers allowed the person to continue gambling after he finished his activities, especially since all this time, the person only came to gamble and left the casino after he finished gambling. And it wasn't a threat to the casino because they didn't see anything suspicious about the person while he was gambling at the casino. But if the person looks suspicious and has different intentions than before, the officers will interrogate him and take him to another room or even remove him from the casino and will not allow the person to return to the casino.

People who are mentally unstable will never bother anyone anywhere when they are all friendly with them and someone who is mentally unstable will only commit an act of violence or something else when their emotions escalate.
Moreover, there are only one or two people who experience mental disorders or are mentally unstable due to depression who engage in gambling activities.
All of this is also because from the beginning or for long time he was gambler and it would be very impossible if people like this stayed longer in the casino because they would not feel comfortable in crowded places.
I sure that if he hadn't gambled often at the casino in the first place then it would be impossible for the casino staff to let him in, just as the OP said that the casino staff said that the person was regular customer there who always gambled.
From what happened, it seemed like he had come into the casino just to bet and then left the casino and it seemed like there had never been any problems.
I sure something similar would happen in any casino when there are the same people in the casino environment.

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Quote from: tjtonmoy on January 04, 2024, 02:18:18 PM

It is not necessary that with prevent someone from gambling just because they are mentally ill. Maybe he finds it peace of mind by gambling after everything that he has endured. Every coin has two sides and I don't think it is different here. If that makes him happy, then why not let him do it.
If he is doing something bad and cannot stop it, then it is our responsibility to at least try to talk to him and get him out of this situation. If not then there's nothing wrong here. Let the man enjoy his life.

agree with this mate every coin has two sides and it's represents the outcome of an gambling play so if we are lucky enough then we got a good outcome which is we will win. But if we are not just too lucky then we can not say that we will win everytime we put our bet. Anyways just like a coin gamblers must be more vigilant and wise cause once a gambler are not just lucky then they must stop for a while and rest then after a few days or weeks go to gamble again.

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In the first place, gamblers have been warned about the emotional implications of gambling and the advise is that they gamble when they feel happier or just for the fun rather than gambling to win inorder to pay debts or gambling with borrowed funds.

Now, why should a mentally unstable person be allowed to gamble. I would assume that such persons may have paid a visit to the psychiatrist or counselor on several occasions and perhaps if gambling was a contributing factor to their unstable mind, they would have been advised against it because it could cause a trigger of emotions that is unhealthy to witness.

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It is not necessary that with prevent someone from gambling just because they are mentally ill. Maybe he finds it peace of mind by gambling after everything that he has endured. Every coin has two sides and I don't think it is different here. If that makes him happy, then why not let him do it.
If he is doing something bad and cannot stop it, then it is our responsibility to at least try to talk to him and get him out of this situation. If not then there's nothing wrong here. Let the man enjoy his life.

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Quote from: Makus on January 04, 2024, 12:25:39 PM

I don't think you understand the profile of the person we are talking about. You might want to read the op again to be in the same plane with us all. Actually it was stated clearly at the op's that the mentally unstable person could be obviously identified due to the dirty cloths he wore, with his unkept hear and beard. However that description would only mean one thing when ever someone put on that kind of look, it means he is mentally unstable, meaning he goes nut most times or he doesn't think like a normal human being.

If I'm the attendants at the gambling shop, my guilt will not allow me to attend to the customer because the description says everything about him. But if I'm to follow the rules of the shop, I think I have every right to serve everybody equally because another though that will come to mind my mind is that a right person with a disable brain will come to gambling shop to play, he must have the idea to be that bold come and play, it's even odd for mentally challenged person to what to bets, they will likey beg for money to eat than say they want to bet.

In addition, if he has been playing and doesn't show any sign that he is unstable, even with his cloth and ways of appearance and understanding gambling, I will live him to do what he want to do in the shop. Who knows if that's what make him a happy person. You never can tell, people that we think are mad possesses some strange abilities, don't be shocked if he win one day from gambling.

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Quote from: Makus on January 04, 2024, 12:25:39 PM

Quote from: maydna on January 04, 2024, 11:33:16 AM

However, when the mentally unstable person had no intention of disturbing the people who were also gambling at the casino, the officers also didn't mind. They just assumed he was among the many gamblers who wanted to gamble. The officer allowed the person to gamble, and I think before the officer allowed the person to enter the casino, the officer must have asked his superiors first. Perhaps that's why the officers allowed the person to continue gambling after he finished his activities, especially since all this time, the person only came to gamble and left the casino after he finished gambling. And it wasn't a threat to the casino because they didn't see anything suspicious about the person while he was gambling at the casino. But if the person looks suspicious and has different intentions than before, the officers will interrogate him and take him to another room or even remove him from the casino and will not allow the person to return to the casino.

I don't think you understand the profile of the person we are talking about. You might want to read the op again to be in the same plane with us all. Actually it was stated clearly at the op's that the mentally unstable person could be obviously identified due to the dirty cloths he wore, with his unkept hear and beard. However that description would only mean one thing when ever someone put on that kind of look, it means he is mentally unstable, meaning he goes nut most times or he doesn't think like a normal human being.

You are a little naive.
Let's say the staff refused to serve him, and the next day the company received a multimillion-dollar lawsuit for discrimination against their client (who, according to documents, is completely healthy). In many countries such a claim will be satisfied. How do you see this situation now? What seems “obvious” to you, in fact, according to the documents, may not be what it seems to you because either by accident or on purpose someone is trying to mislead you (so that, for example, they can later get money from you in court).

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Quote from: maydna on January 04, 2024, 11:33:16 AM

However, when the mentally unstable person had no intention of disturbing the people who were also gambling at the casino, the officers also didn't mind. They just assumed he was among the many gamblers who wanted to gamble. The officer allowed the person to gamble, and I think before the officer allowed the person to enter the casino, the officer must have asked his superiors first. Perhaps that's why the officers allowed the person to continue gambling after he finished his activities, especially since all this time, the person only came to gamble and left the casino after he finished gambling. And it wasn't a threat to the casino because they didn't see anything suspicious about the person while he was gambling at the casino. But if the person looks suspicious and has different intentions than before, the officers will interrogate him and take him to another room or even remove him from the casino and will not allow the person to return to the casino.

I don't think you understand the profile of the person we are talking about. You might want to read the op again to be in the same plane with us all. Actually it was stated clearly at the op's that the mentally unstable person could be obviously identified due to the dirty cloths he wore, with his unkept hear and beard. However that description would only mean one thing when ever someone put on that kind of look, it means he is mentally unstable, meaning he goes nut most times or he doesn't think like a normal human being.

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Quote from: Makus on January 04, 2024, 09:45:20 AM

Just as I said earlier, there is no way I will be comfortably walking into a casino hall with a mentally unstable person. If that happens, it psychologically means I have accepted that we are even. Since the person is mentally unstable, what are the odds that he might not be gambling irresponsibly, or stealing just to gamble. If I'm in the shoes of the attendant, I'll just quite letting the mentally unstable man to gamble. The major reason we where told to gamble only when we are above the age of 18 is because, at that stage of our lives we are now mature enough to know when to say yes and no without guidance or direction from anyone, and we are responsible for our actions. But in the case of the mentally unstable person, it seems the attendant was just taking advantage over him, because with that condition, he cannot fully make a responsible decision.

However, when the mentally unstable person had no intention of disturbing the people who were also gambling at the casino, the officers also didn't mind. They just assumed he was among the many gamblers who wanted to gamble. The officer allowed the person to gamble, and I think before the officer allowed the person to enter the casino, the officer must have asked his superiors first. Perhaps that's why the officers allowed the person to continue gambling after he finished his activities, especially since all this time, the person only came to gamble and left the casino after he finished gambling. And it wasn't a threat to the casino because they didn't see anything suspicious about the person while he was gambling at the casino. But if the person looks suspicious and has different intentions than before, the officers will interrogate him and take him to another room or even remove him from the casino and will not allow the person to return to the casino.

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Quote from: shivansps on January 04, 2024, 09:38:01 AM

I think that the gaming house staff does not have such a right. Because this girl who takes bets is not a doctor, she is not a psychiatrist and cannot diagnose a person. By what criteria is he not okay? Because he is not dressed very well. This is a subjective opinion, maybe you or I won’t like it, but another person may not like it. From the point of view of the establishment, it is not beneficial for the owners to refuse to accept bets. On the contrary, it is probably better for them if the person is very passionate and does not control himself very well.
In general, my opinion is that the staff cannot assess a person’s psychological health; a doctor can do this. But as far as I know, the doctor cannot forbid the patient to play

for casinos, I think the most important thing at stake is money. not leaves. and it proves that people who come to the casino to gamble at least have money to gamble with. and that is reason enough for anyone who wants to play and bet to come to the casino.
unless the gambler's behavior is disruptive. it could be prohibited by the casino. like body odor is very annoying, it can be detrimental to the casino if other customers are disturbed. but if it was the case that he came to bet and then left, perhaps no other customer would be harmed. especially if you are used to seeing it like that.

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What really matters is your composure. When ever such person who loks tattered comes to the betting Shop, there is a need for brain test, by asking the person some questions, if not answerd in a resiprocative manner I think there is no need for him to be allowed.

It's not good, most of gambling addicts have no brains, so the casinos won't able to make as much as they can. But that depends on the questions, if you only ask like who's the president in US or 5 years old math like 10+10, anyone can answer that.

Someone who can answer your questions aren't always have stable mental and vice versa.

But would the casino prevent them from playing? I doubt that imo especially online, when they see a user register, it only means this user can read and write. and that's enough to let them register. Once he deposits coins, then he is good to bet.

Mentally unstable is broader. A lonely person and I mean a lonely sad person shouldn't be allowed to gamble as well because it wouldn't be profitable for him for it's a sure loss for him.

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Quote from: Samlucky O on January 04, 2024, 09:14:47 AM

What really matters is your composure. When ever such person who loks tattered comes to the betting Shop, there is a need for brain test, by asking the person some questions, if not answerd in a resiprocative manner I think there is no need for him to be allowed.

It's not good, most of gambling addicts have no brains, so the casinos won't able to make as much as they can. But that depends on the questions, if you only ask like who's the president in US or 5 years old math like 10+10, anyone can answer that.

Someone who can answer your questions aren't always have stable mental and vice versa.

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Just as I said earlier, there is no way I will be comfortably walking into a casino hall with a mentally unstable person. If that happens, it psychologically means I have accepted that we are even. Since the person is mentally unstable, what are the odds that he might not be gambling irresponsibly, or stealing just to gamble. If I'm in the shoes of the attendant, I'll just quite letting the mentally unstable man to gamble. The major reason we where told to gamble only when we are above the age of 18 is because, at that stage of our lives we are now mature enough to know when to say yes and no without guidance or direction from anyone, and we are responsible for our actions. But in the case of the mentally unstable person, it seems the attendant was just taking advantage over him, because with that condition, he cannot fully make a responsible decision.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

I think that the gaming house staff does not have such a right. Because this girl who takes bets is not a doctor, she is not a psychiatrist and cannot diagnose a person. By what criteria is he not okay? Because he is not dressed very well. This is a subjective opinion, maybe you or I won’t like it, but another person may not like it. From the point of view of the establishment, it is not beneficial for the owners to refuse to accept bets. On the contrary, it is probably better for them if the person is very passionate and does not control himself very well.
In general, my opinion is that the staff cannot assess a person’s psychological health; a doctor can do this. But as far as I know, the doctor cannot forbid the patient to play

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Quote from: Makus on January 03, 2024, 06:11:20 PM

In my own opinion, I'll say having mentally unstable people gambling in your casino would only reduce the reputation of the casino. There are places were those kind of persons should play, but gambling is a no go area, except he was just on a disguise. I can't even imagine walking into a casino with a mentally unstable person. That story only tells that the attendant is heartless, for him to allow such person enter and make a bet, is only shows that that attendant is capable of promoting irresponsible gambling.

Agree. People with unstable mental must be excluded from playing in casinos. they potentially cause riots if they get big losses. I think the security guard of casino mustn't allowed the unstable mental people to come in the casinos. How if they brother other gamblers? Reputable casinos must have some rules related to the age and mental health of eligible visitors. The casinos or gambling home must be aware to keep their reputation as a comfortable place to gamble.

If for example they are really detected to have a mental disorder or some other kind of disease that can create chaos then obviously I agree with your idea that they should be immediately removed from the casino area because I think it is very likely that they will do some unexpected actions that can certainly disturb the visitors who are enjoying gambling. On the other hand I think the casino officers will also not be silent, they will definitely take immediate action to minimize so that unwanted events do not occur.

But on the other hand I think the officers must also have a little expertise in distinguishing someone whether he really has a mental disorder or not, because obviously if we only look in terms of appearance then what about people who look shabby but have very good behavior and responsibility like the person referred to by the OP? That is very possible, and it is also very possible that one of the officers is wrong in identifying if there is one person who looks like that. I think for regulatory issues most casinos must have implemented it especially in terms of money that is a requirement to be able to engage in gambling.

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For me I don't see anything wrong with that. Just that some people looks unkept as if they are mad where as they are not . Some times it might be a person working in a nearby house that just decided to come and book a game. although People who are psycological deraged can also play gamble if the psycological effect is not much.

What really matters is your composure. When ever such person who loks tattered comes to the betting Shop, there is a need for brain test, by asking the person some questions, if not answerd in a resiprocative manner I think there is no need for him to be allowed.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

If I'm not mistaken, several countries have rehabilitation homes for gambling addicts, as far as I know there are special places for those who are mentally unstable, they are specially handled by neurological and mental specialists, legally those who are addicted have special rehabilitation to treat it.

But ethically there is no law that prohibits them from gambling, generally everyone who is involved in gambling is based on their own wishes and desires, there is no law to prohibit it, except: they come and are taken by the family, because the user's mental state is no longer stable in everyday life, maybe they need a little rehabilitation or serious treatment for their recovery.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 04, 2024, 12:17:54 AM

Quote from: Makus on January 03, 2024, 06:11:20 PM

In my own opinion, I'll say having mentally unstable people gambling in your casino would only reduce the reputation of the casino. There are places were those kind of persons should play, but gambling is a no go area, except he was just on a disguise. I can't even imagine walking into a casino with a mentally unstable person. That story only tells that the attendant is heartless, for him to allow such person enter and make a bet, is only shows that that attendant is capable of promoting irresponsible gambling.

Realistically speaking, I don't think there's any gambling company that'll want to allow a mentally unstable person use their offline platform to gamble because it'll definitely spoil the reputation of such gambling company as many will see it as inhumane for such kind of act. However, I don't think it'll be easy to regulate the mental state of individuals before they can gamble on a gambling sites and that's why I think that even when it's condemnable for mentally unstable people to gamble, there's every possiblity that they are still involved in gambling regardless of whatever anyone has to say about them.

When it comes to online gambling, the possibility of gambling engagements by persons who shouldn't even be allowed to engage in gambling are very high.

As long it would be crossing about humanitarian rights then for sure it would really be creating that kind of problem on which same as you said that it would really be tarnishing their reputation and this is something that they dont really want because we do know that if the masses or the people would really be making out such reaction then pretty sure it would really be bringing out that huge issue into the said platform or company on which it isnt really that good in anyway. This is why they would really be allowing those people to play and wont really be caring about their mental or whatsoever as long they arent that harming someone
then it should really be just that fine.

Sometimes people are really just that too judgmental on things specially into those people who do look odd but eventually they arent really doing something for them to be prohibited in doing something.
People do usually put up themselves into harm because of wrong assumptions.

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