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I thought that if someone is mentally unstable, people will not donate anything to him directly, rather they may donate to his family or to the charitable organization, if any, who is taking care of him. So if some how he has direct access to the donation money, there is some serious flaw in the whole eco system that needs to be addressed.
We would not want the donation money to be wasted in this way.
Maybe there are still people who will continue to donate money to mentally unstable people. At least people could still give food to that person. But to donate, we should channel it to charities that are used to dealing with this problem so that what we give can be distributed right on target.

The gambling shop cares more about the money they are getting from the gambler and they may not care of this health and mental status of the gambler. As long as he is depositing, they are happy with him. That's a sad reality but the truth about some of the physical gambling casinos.
Although gambling shops care more about their money, they should also be able to see the people who come to their shops. And if there are people who really intend to interfere with their business, they can refuse them before they come inside. But the case that happened was that the person had no intention of disturbing him but just wanted to gamble as usual and would leave after he finished gambling. This should be a good example for us where the person can leave after finishing gambling and not get angry because he lost.

Games of chance should be fun, not addicting. Giving money to charity that is then used for gambling is sad. I think this behavior shows disrespect for other people's kindness. Not only a matter of choice, but also of moral duty. It's also hard to feel safe at the betting shop. It is morally wrong and harmful to let a problem gambler keep doing it. They support a bad habit. Such things shouldn't happen because of rules. Finally, it's not a good idea to expect a "happy ending." It encourages the dangerous thought that gambling will work. Change the story and encourage safe gambling so that fun doesn't turn into an addiction.
Yes, it's like we fund their gambling so they can keep gambling. And it is a disguised fraud because they use charity to get money, and the money is used for gambling. Maintaining personal safety anywhere is a must, including in a betting shop, because it is a form of responsibility towards ourselves. We can expect a happy ending when we win, but the problem is that only a few gamblers can get it, while other gamblers will only experience defeat. And it is very painful for them because many of them use big money to bet.
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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

The attendant is the one who should drive away what people think as a mentally unstable bettor because as long as he is not causing a panic or harming anyone he has all the rights and the privileges like all the bettors in the vicinity, I have also seen people betting in our local betting station but the other bettors just ignore him because he is minding his own, and he is not disturbing anyone.
Only a professional has the right to examine any person because what we see in a person does not reflect his true character is, people should understand others as long as he is not causing disturbances.
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With that argument, they are also hoping for some luck and even the money they use comes from those donation that they've got while seeing for goodhearted people that will passed by, who knows if one day luck permits and allow them to win right? and  in terms of unstable people who also attached with gambling, they are also using the veneu either they are having fun or also aiming for luck and enjoy the money that they will earn from gambling.

As far as the security can vouch with their attitude they should be allowed to play, anyway, the decision is for the owner  to take whether he will allow it or he will not if he see or feel threat with the person, but as long as there's none and the owner and the security are allowing then it's good to go.
The hope of getting lucky will always be there because they still often gamble so they will not spend their days gambling. They may use the money from donations to gamble because there will be people who feel sorry for them and will give them some money to buy food. But if they instead use the money to gamble, that is disrespectful to the people who already sympathize with them. But it's up to them with the money and we don't know for sure either.

And the security at the betting shop always allows that person to gamble so that he will continue returning when he wants to gamble. He may continue like that until he finally wins and if there is an update about that person's story, we will all be happy to know how the story continues.
Games of chance should be fun, not addicting. Giving money to charity that is then used for gambling is sad. I think this behavior shows disrespect for other people's kindness. Not only a matter of choice, but also of moral duty. It's also hard to feel safe at the betting shop. It is morally wrong and harmful to let a problem gambler keep doing it. They support a bad habit. Such things shouldn't happen because of rules. Finally, it's not a good idea to expect a "happy ending." It encourages the dangerous thought that gambling will work. Change the story and encourage safe gambling so that fun doesn't turn into an addiction.
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it seems that things like this will only happen in gambling shops which do not have security or clear rules regarding who can play on their premises. because if that happened at a reputable casino, maybe the security or employees there would forbid him from gambling, because mentally unstable people shouldn't gamble and waste their money. apart from not being able to play well, they might also throw a tantrum or do something that could harm the casino, and that is why mentally unstable people should not be allowed to gamble.
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If i own a physical gambling casinos, to be honest i may not allow such kind of people who are mentally challenged to come in and gamble, you cannot predict them and the kind of illness in them, if the loose a bet and engage in violence at the betting casino what will i do, they can be weird atimes in causing fight and distractions with other gamblers there and that alone may decrease the reputation some of my customers may have towards the casino when they discovered that a mental instable person is coming to gamble and cause trouble.

Right. Legally and ethically, it depends on where you are. Some places have rules against letting mentally unstable folks gamble. But judging someone's mental state isn't easy. It's a bit of a tightrope between protecting people and letting them make their own choices. If you're worried, the better i think would be not to allow them.
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Ethically speaking it is not acceptable in my opinion too, unless he has some kind of guidance or help, under the supervision of a legal curator or similar guardian figure. It is known that some people have special vulnerabilities towards addiction, and I think that the mentally impaired, in general (exceptions apart), conform a specially vulnerable collective.

Legally, it depends on each jurisdiction, although I think that nowadays most of them forbid the underage gambling, and by extension gambling by the mentally unstable.
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If i own a physical gambling casinos, to be honest i may not allow such kind of people who are mentally challenged to come in and gamble, you cannot predict them and the kind of illness in them, if the loose a bet and engage in violence at the betting casino what will i do, they can be weird atimes in causing fight and distractions with other gamblers there and that alone may decrease the reputation some of my customers may have towards the casino when they discovered that a mental instable person is coming to gamble and cause trouble.

Right. Legally and ethically, it depends on where you are. Some places have rules against letting mentally unstable folks gamble. But judging someone's mental state isn't easy. It's a bit of a tightrope between protecting people and letting them make their own choices. If you're worried, the better i think would be not to allow them.
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If i own a physical gambling casinos, to be honest i may not allow such kind of people who are mentally challenged to come in and gamble, you cannot predict them and the kind of illness in them, if the loose a bet and engage in violence at the betting casino what will i do, they can be weird atimes in causing fight and distractions with other gamblers there and that alone may decrease the reputation some of my customers may have towards the casino when they discovered that a mental instable person is coming to gamble and cause trouble.
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A mentally unstable person sometimes gamble,this is what I have seen,but in most cases,those ones who have the ability to find money like that are always harmless,they do not disturb other person's peace which makes their people allow them come close to where humans are,and they are also free to do whatever they like in as much as they do not harm

Even though they gamble, I believe they should not be allowed to gamble. Because they can make bad decisions that could harm them financially, mentally unstable people do not have full control of themself. So, why on this earth they should be allowed to gamble? It's easy to manipulate them and cheat them which people are likely to do if they find out that the person they are playing with is mentally unstable. It's the house response to find out those people who is mentally unstable and restrict them from gambling.
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The hope of getting lucky will always be there because they still often gamble so they will not spend their days gambling. They may use the money from donations to gamble because there will be people who feel sorry for them and will give them some money to buy food. But if they instead use the money to gamble, that is disrespectful to the people who already sympathize with them. But it's up to them with the money and we don't know for sure either.

I thought that if someone is mentally unstable, people will not donate anything to him directly, rather they may donate to his family or to the charitable organization, if any, who is taking care of him. So if some how he has direct access to the donation money, there is some serious flaw in the whole eco system that needs to be addressed.
We would not want the donation money to be wasted in this way.


And the security at the betting shop always allows that person to gamble so that he will continue returning when he wants to gamble. He may continue like that until he finally wins and if there is an update about that person's story, we will all be happy to know how the story continues.

The gambling shop cares more about the money they are getting from the gambler and they may not care of this health and mental status of the gambler. As long as he is depositing, they are happy with him. That's a sad reality but the truth about some of the physical gambling casinos.
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With that argument, they are also hoping for some luck and even the money they use comes from those donation that they've got while seeing for goodhearted people that will passed by, who knows if one day luck permits and allow them to win right? and  in terms of unstable people who also attached with gambling, they are also using the veneu either they are having fun or also aiming for luck and enjoy the money that they will earn from gambling.

As far as the security can vouch with their attitude they should be allowed to play, anyway, the decision is for the owner  to take whether he will allow it or he will not if he see or feel threat with the person, but as long as there's none and the owner and the security are allowing then it's good to go.
The hope of getting lucky will always be there because they still often gamble so they will not spend their days gambling. They may use the money from donations to gamble because there will be people who feel sorry for them and will give them some money to buy food. But if they instead use the money to gamble, that is disrespectful to the people who already sympathize with them. But it's up to them with the money and we don't know for sure either.

And the security at the betting shop always allows that person to gamble so that he will continue returning when he wants to gamble. He may continue like that until he finally wins and if there is an update about that person's story, we will all be happy to know how the story continues.
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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
In my neighborhood there was also someone like this, he was depressed because he had lost a lot of money in gambling and even his family had thrown him out on the street, once he almost injured an officer at an offline casino in my neighborhood because he was prohibited from entering, from that incident, no one dares to stop him, he can't be thrown out, even the police can't arrest him.  Occasionally i also see someone who gives him a little capital for gambling. When he is invited to gamble, he will not hurt other people, this is the reason why we should not let gambling ruin our lives.  The worst level of gambling addiction is going crazy because of gambling.
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I don’t doubt you but what if this man is not mentally unstable but has turned poor from too much gambling? Well, for mentally unstable people, I think they shouldn’t be let to gamble because even if some people may say that it’s about luck after all, we need to consider that the amount you stake is quite a decision to make and you can’t just input any amount. So, how do you trust someone who is mentally unstable to make the right decision in such case. They just shouldn’t be allowed.
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It's important to remember that a person's appearance doesn't necessarily indicate their mental health. Simply looking at someone's clothes isn't enough to determine if they're mentally unstable. We can't assume why they're dressed a certain way, but it's possible that it could be related to their gambling habits. Based on your post, it seems that the person you saw is mentally stable since he didn't misbehave in the gambling house and knew how to bet. We can't be sure if they're begging for money, which could explain their clothes. In some countries, begging is a job because the amount of money they can earn from it encourages people to continue begging.

It was fishy for the understanding of the mentally unstable person,because the OP had discussed about the physical appearance of the gambler who do gambling regularly in the physical gambling.So as the gambling conducting person was comfortable with the gambler,he can able to play the game in the casino.The gambler should not get violent after the loss,they should keep some of the money as the backup to use during the gambling process and after the holding money was get into the loss in the gambling site.This was the hidden secret of the successful gamblers in the gambling site for huge period of time,many gamblers will not say this to new gamblers.
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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Not until the said person does harm the others, that's the only time where they should be not allowed to enter the casino premises.

These casinos are not judging their customers at their cover therefore anyone can play there.

But if by some chance, that these persons cause an incident that involved other customers around, regardless if they are mentally unstable or not, these casinos will probably kicked out these people as their priority is comfortability and safety of their customers.
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That's right, they all have the rights to stop someone they think are suspicious and will cause a ruckus. But I think that each customer that they see will be given time to be observed before they do any action like kicking him outside the premises or will keep him inside and continue to gamble. Usually, if these people that don't dress well have got mone and it's seen at the entrance or have been checked, they'll just allow these people to enjoy their day and win or lose, they'll still get that person's money through losing their games.
It's indeed wrong to make hasty judgments based solely on appearances. Inclusive approach should be adopted that allows people a chance to demonstrate their behavior and intentions. It's important to maintain a secure and orderly environment within establishments. Security measures are in place to ensure the safety and well-being of both customers and staff. Addressing potentially disruptive behavior is a valid concern, and intervention may be necessary in certain situations.
It's because there are big time people that don't dress very well so that the suspicious from bad actors will be gone if they've got money or none. That's what they are doing and that's not going to draw attentions from those people that are just observing the premises and looking on who's got money and who are the ones that they can potentially eye for them to extort money or do something bad. You'll never know that the well dressed ones are also bad actors and that's why some dress codes are fine as long as it's not that bad at all or these people are just dressed simply, as long as it has no problem with the casino, they're good to go.

The contention that individuals who may not dress well should still be allowed to enjoy their time and engage in activities like gambling underscores the principle of fairness and non-discrimination. Making assumptions about someone's character solely based on their attire can lead to unfair treatment and exclusion. The financial capacity or the ability to engage in the activities offered by the establishment should be a primary consideration.
They are allowing it as long as they're not wearing vulgar dresses and they are still looking fine but just simple with their looks. IMHO, that's going to work perfectly when you've got a lot of money and you know it. But you're also careful going outside in any premises whether it's on the casinos or malls or anywhere you go. Just dress simply and let the people judge you by your looks but they don't know what's inside you. But on the other hand, we shouldn't really judge people by the way they dress.
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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

AFAIK there is no policy prohibiting persons who have mental disorders from placing their bets like everyone else. Personally, I have never seen a disturbed person come into a casino or bet shop but then again I have not gone to a physical casino in years. I think it is possible for someone like that to come into a bet shop and gamble without causing up drama but it’s a very difficult for that to happen in a casino. I doubt the security would let him past the doors. It will be bad for business as other players may not be comfortable.
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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
the problem here is that you do not know if the guy is actually mentally unstable or not. apart from being shabbily dressed, with dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard, the guy seems to be mentally fine. the attendant even said that the guy made his money doing manual jobs, and has never misbehaved or acted violently to the point that she feels comfortable with him. it is kind of unfair to judge the guy as mentally unstable because of the way he looks.
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Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Well, there are a lot of categories afaik regarding mentally unstable individuals and this should be known to anyone that we shouldn't base it on their looks, the way they behave, or the way they dress or something similar. If somehow that physical bet shop, a casino perhaps has some rules being enforced to not consider them, then, that I think should be exercised. But, for me, there are instances in which we can take some considerations.
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I think the problem with things like this is that it seems to involve judgement of an individual.  Who is to say if someone is mentally unstable or not?  How is this information to be obtained?  You have to watch out for slippery slopes with these sorts of things. 
This kind of assessment needs to involve a psychologist expert if there is indeed a statement letter from the relevant party about the mental disorder experienced.
But of course this will not be done randomly in people who appear to have mental disorders according to our observations.

But if they are the closest people or family, it is necessary to do some checks to determine if they appear to have a mental disorder due to gambling or not, This needs to be done.

Maybe if a person signed some document claiming to be mentally unstable then you could have a discussion, but the idea of observing someone and determining they are mentally unstable and denying them certain things seems like a bad idea to me.
But when we do the idea of mental disorders in strangers, and they don't accept it, of course we will accept the problem of unilateral accusations that are detrimental to the accused person.

But when someone has committed a criminal act or an act that can endanger others, the accusation directly and reporting to the authorities is not a problem,
because there is an element of mental disorder that arises right away.

How would a professional assess on the spot.  Online it's literally impossible but brick and mortar casinos how would you know someone has a mental disorder?  They just walk through the doors, this is almost a pointless proposition because one there is no true way to "label" a person going into a casino and two is all the discrimination lawsuits that the casino will face.  It's just like anything else, until they pose a threat to themselves or someone else that is visible that day there is no way to stop them from gambling.
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As far as the security can vouch with their attitude they should be allowed to play, anyway, the decision is for the owner  to take whether he will allow it or he will not if he see or feel threat with the person, but as long as there's none and the owner and the security are allowing then it's good to go.
Mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed into a gambling facility. The only place they should be allowed into should be a psychiatric or a care home for full recovery. If you say security should vouch for them before letting them in, the security will not be able to tell the history of the illness and if their illness has its onset or cause by gambling.
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