Topic: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? - page 13. (Read 2371 times)

Well, there are a lot of categories afaik regarding mentally unstable individuals and this should be known to anyone that we shouldn't base it on their looks, the way they behave, or the way they dress or something similar. If somehow that physical bet shop, a casino perhaps has some rules being enforced to not consider them, then, that I think should be exercised. But, for me, there are instances in which we can take some considerations.

How would a professional assess on the spot.  Online it's literally impossible but brick and mortar casinos how would you know someone has a mental disorder?  They just walk through the doors, this is almost a pointless proposition because one there is no true way to "label" a person going into a casino and two is all the discrimination lawsuits that the casino will face.  It's just like anything else, until they pose a threat to themselves or someone else that is visible that day there is no way to stop them from gambling.

Mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed into a gambling facility. The only place they should be allowed into should be a psychiatric or a care home for full recovery. If you say security should vouch for them before letting them in, the security will not be able to tell the history of the illness and if their illness has its onset or cause by gambling.

With that argument, they are also hoping for some luck and even the money they use comes from those donation that they've got while seeing for goodhearted people that will passed by, who knows if one day luck permits and allow them to win right? and  in terms of unstable people who also attached with gambling, they are also using the veneu either they are having fun or also aiming for luck and enjoy the money that they will earn from gambling.

As far as the security can vouch with their attitude they should be allowed to play, anyway, the decision is for the owner  to take whether he will allow it or he will not if he see or feel threat with the person, but as long as there's none and the owner and the security are allowing then it's good to go.

That's true, if there are people who are mentally unstable and they gamble in physical casinos but they don't disturb other people's comfort, that's not a problem, even if their appearance is different from other people in general, so their appearance becomes a spectacle for many other people, we can't I think they are mentally unstable, because in my opinion everyone has different thoughts about their appearance and maybe they have their own motives and if they gamble and win it will attract the attention of many people.
also with the security in physical casinos, perhaps they will also pay attention to mentally unstable people, because they are afraid that they will disturb the comfort of other people, even though they are mentally unstable, the casino will not worry about it if they have enough money to gamble, because the goal Casinos are for profit so anyone can gamble if they have enough money. because there may be people who appear polite and neat but they have mental problems that can disturb the comfort of other people. So I think a mentally unstable person can gamble if he has enough money and doesn't disturb other people's comfort.

I've seen it too. They said they sometimes buy lottery tickets. They hope to make money from the lottery so they will still buy it if they have the money. These people gamble because they desire to win the jackpot prize from the lottery. And yes, anyone can gamble, regardless of whether they are rich or poor, because gambling can reach all groups. Gambling seems to give hope to everyone that gambling can give them a lot of money and that's what makes people interested and start playing the gambling games they like. They should not need to gamble too often and only occasionally so that they do not become addicted to gambling. In that case, the officers still allowed him to gamble even though he was dressed shabbily because he had been gambling at the casino for a long time and never made a fuss. So the officers didn't see him as a threat and allowed him to gamble. After all, he always left after he finished gambling, and either he lost all his money and then left, or he won some money and then left.

Well that's the important point, sometimes the situation can be reversed, or it means that people who are dressed neatly can have worse behavior and hearts than people who are dressed shabbily, so of course it's true that we can't judge someone just in terms of appearance. In my opinion, the people said by the OP are those who do have a life below average, or that means one of the poor people who are involved in gambling so that their way of dressing is not like normal people which of course clearly raises some speculation and assumptions from people who see it, especially from the officers on guard there.

If you just saw someone like that then obviously I think one of the first things that comes to mind is that you will assume that they are one of the people who have a mental disorder but after communicating and they look fine in the sense that they don't have any disorders and have never made problems at the casino then that's where trust will arise where the officer has got certainty that they are good people. On the other hand, it is clear as the OP said that the person works odd jobs to earn money for gambling, and that means they have good responsibility and always try hard to get something, unlike beggars in general.

I am glad both of us have learned from this thread and we are also aspiring to understand more. The process of brainstorming is filled with claims and counterclaims. But is inappropriate to base an argument on just a definition. The term "do your research" means gathering information from different sources, analysing them and reaching a conclusion. Don't also expect to have the exact words in a definition before you can dictate a relationship. If you just do a quick search on Google about types of mental disorders, I can guarantee that 60% of the results you will get will include depression. Even in your definition, it includes that are depressed person is prone self inflicted injuries and suicide (are these states mentally stable). The field of mental health is broad, you and I need to take a course on it to be able to gain foundational knowledge.

Yes, that should be the main point, don't judge someone based on their mental condition as long as they don't bother anyone in the gambling house, of course that is the right they have to get as a customer. In essence, all gamblers, whoever has their money, are still guests and kings of a gambling house. That's the importance of respecting anyone to gamble as long as the government doesn't prohibit it.

I also, if I see it, it probably won't bother him and someone who is in trouble. In fact, I often see beggars buying several lottery tickets at gambling houses just to look for luck. Anyone can buy them, not only rich people can play, buying lottery tickets, poor and rich can't. no one knows that victory will come to whoever is lucky, sometimes poor people can become suddenly rich if they win the lottery with a very big prize,

For this set I wouldn't categorize them as mentally unstable but people that are deficiency of reasoning and self determination, because like you said they take orders, follow orders accordingly as instructed and don't act except they are told to and for that other people see them as persons that can't decide for themselves therefore even when they try to take certain spontaneous decision for themself people will interpret it as unintentional because of their mental deficiency.

All am trying to cap in real sense is that mentally unstable people (demented person) don't take instructions neither do they adhere to it to go with. So those persons you @shishir99 is referring to as not mentally deranged or demented but are just deficiency of reasoning of their own. They are like dummy's.

I don't know what seem to be contradictory in my explanations to you.  I still hold my ground on this matter that the mentally unstable people can't work  except they are not really mentally unstable but are a depressive individual's or person's suffering from mental deficiency in such state of condition they can work to a limit but for mentally unbalanced persons am not sure. And if they are allowed to gamble if am to be fair they are humans too despite their condition so they have a right to take up human activities too but normal people won't feel comfortable around them because they wouldn't know what next action they can carry out as it rings in their head ignorant if the consequences of their actions.

 And for the record depression as you had defined as a mental disorder is actually not correct as you had defined it. According to the Wiktionar-Dictionary defined depression as  (psychology) In psychotherapy and psychiatry, a state of mind producing serious, long-term lowering of enjoyment of life or inability to visualize a happy future. There was no mention of a mental disorder.

We're all here to learn and it should also delight you to know that I have learnt new ideas from your Op post but that being said we still have to sharpen some edges and not agree to all things uniformly.

I don't understand your point of argument because you keep contradicting your former stance. You stated in your former post that mentally unstable people are violent and might not have the ability to earn a living and gamble. There was no time you made any effort to distinguish the type of mentally unstable people you were referring to when you generalized that they cannot work and are all violent. You never said anything about discomforting other gamblers, and neither did I mention any of the concept of depression. Come to think of it depression is a mental disorder and some of the cardinal signs of this condition (especially in extreme conditions) are anger and aggression which is the root cause of violence.

However, I think I have learned some lessons from this thread which include that everyone has the right to gamble as much as his presence doesn't cause discomfort to other gamblers and the casino management deems them fit. Also, we shouldn't judge a person's mental state by merely looking at their physical appearance. And it seems that most terms of service of many gambling platforms are silent on this issue. It is also evident that some national laws might not have covered this area.

It's important to remember that a person's appearance doesn't necessarily indicate their mental health. Simply looking at someone's clothes isn't enough to determine if they're mentally unstable. We can't assume why they're dressed a certain way, but it's possible that it could be related to their gambling habits. Based on your post, it seems that the person you saw is mentally stable since he didn't misbehave in the gambling house and knew how to bet. We can't be sure if they're begging for money, which could explain their clothes. In some countries, begging is a job because the amount of money they can earn from it encourages people to continue begging.

A mentally unstable person sometimes gamble,this is what I have seen,but in most cases,those ones who have the ability to find money like that are always harmless,they do not disturb other person's peace which makes their people allow them come close to where humans are,and they are also free to do whatever they like in as much as they do not harm,but for those ones who harm people,I think people do not allow them get close where people are as well because they can pose a threat on human life,and cause problem as well.
Most atimes,they give people draw code that they see spiritually,which if you try,it plays.I think this is the only relationship they have with the sane people,and their sanity level will determine whether people will allow them come close to them or not.

Op, occasionally I have seen this category of mentally unstable people giving out pool games and football tips to people but not gambling themselves and in some cases people win from their games and in return give them money and some of them do this to survive, even someone in this condition I know saw me and insisted I should play the game he gave to me and to my greatest surprise I won the game but the second time I tried it out I didn't win again, I wonder what that give them those games they give to people because to my knowledge I know they don't follow football events or go watch matches, I kind of think there is spirit behind them going to betting games or giving out of games.

You are right definitely, some people actually see other people as mentally unstable judging from the way they look or appear in terms of dressing and overall look, while I still will believe that this is actually one of the ways to never go wrong in judging or finding out who is mentally stable, and who is not, there is stil chances one could be wrong.
Some people are naturally dirty, they always appear in dirty clothes that some of us will tend to assume that they are mentally unstable.

There is someone like that over here in my area, I think that he is actually mentally unstable but not to the extent that he cannot gamble, this man gambles like crazy, there is a lotto being played every day here in my country and some other African countries, the game is played 5 rounds every day, and this man plays it all, whether he has ever won, and what he does with the money he wins, I don't know, but fact is that, we all consider him a mad man, but then, his mental instability has or have not stopped him from gambling.

All opinions that have mentioned above has a valid point, seems like we have different perspective about this topic but yeah, being judgemental is like a thing nowadays and we can't deny the fact that sometimes we judge a everything we see in our minds and I thinks it's okay as long as you keep it to yourself and you can't offend others by your judgement. Please note that not everything we see physically is real, especially every person is good at hiding their Identity and true feelings.

As I mentioned in my earlier responses, I'm just giving everyone additional advise to stop making snap judgments about individuals based just on how they seem. People are highly judgmental, as you mentioned, but we should train our minds to control it and set boundaries. Similar to gambling, it is impossible to determine whether someone is mentally ill. Regarding the original question, there isn't really a definitive response because people's mental stability varies greatly and it's difficult to determine whether someone is mentally unstable. You can't tell, for example, if a gambler with a mischievous smile on his face and constant laughter has stable mental stability or not. To be honest, from what I've seen, some mentally ill folks still want to gamble. Those with mental instability attempt to act normal in order to fool others. Still, people make excellent pretenders. Okay, that concludes it.

Some rich gamblers who are disciplined can manage their money, but not all. Similarly the low rollers. Most often people would qualify rich and low rollers by appearance. Not knowing that people are different in terms of gambling. It all matters in the mind of the gambler, what he's about to do with his time in the casino. The appearance doesn't matter, the attitude does. That's why people are encouraged to focus on the purpose that led them to the casino house or whatever gambling shop they find themselves in. It'll also help the gambler to think well on his next gambling moves. Any gambler who is educated on the ethics and disciplines required in gambling doesn't need to fear losing his budget or going to borrow money to fulfill his gambling goals. However, you'd notice that not all gamblers have this knowledge, regardless of the class they belong to. We, gamblers, need to decide on a routine and keep by it, plan according to our earnings and profits, and do what should yield some profits for us, gamblers.

It's been quite a long time since society never wanted gambling addicts, hence no one should be encouraged to make similar mistakes as those who ended up addicted. No one has been known as gambling proof, some who appear responsible can end up addicted and the player who doesn't dress well, and looks dirty, may end up escaping addiction. In the history of gambling as a journey, addiction should be the most concern, for both parties, the rich and low rollers. Because none among them would be able to survive it easily. Addiction is the main mental illness or disorder, which we should be worried or cautious about when gambling, instead of looking at clothes. When a gambler begins to get aggressive he'll need to watch his finances or seek help, don't know if this only happens to the low rollers, I think the high rollers also experience the problem of wagering too much and losing out, which leads to transfer of aggression.

from the situation described, gamblers with mental disorders just put money and bet then leave. Maybe only a few people around the casino will be disturbed by the arrival. but that won't last long if it turns out that the gambler with a mental disorder is betting on the money he earned himself. do not rob or harm other people.
I think if this situation continues, the gamblers who are there will not have a problem with it. because they know the gambler in question won't cause problems by disturbing other gamblers or even causing chaos in the casino.

Real gambling involves money but it is also possible to play it for free. A person can be mentally unstable but they can still have a money with them. So, if you own a casino you will definitely allow them to place their bets, and it is not going to be your obligation anymore, what ever happens to them next.

A gambler is only responsible for themselves, also their guardians if they are still young and if they have problems like the guy in our story here. Emotions and mental state is I think not the same, but both of them can influence our decisions. A person might be mentally challenged but we don't know, what if their emotions are still in a good state?