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Quote from: BabyBandit on March 04, 2024, 10:50:59 AM

"Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?" Cheesy

I'll chime in on this one. For me, the answer is both. Of course, the quality of a post should be at the center of whether or not it deserves a merit. Other factors include:

- how close is the account to ranking up, and does the general quality of their posts suggest they are worthy of ranking up?
- did they buy their account, are they likely to be multi-accounting or cheating campaigns/lenders/contests?
- is there a possibility they are a scammer looking to build some kind of cred via obtaining merits to perform a scam of sorts?
- do I get an immediate sense of dishonesty/disingenuity about them in any way?

So yeah, you could say a lot of these extra criteria are based on "feelings," or intuition, or both. Really I'm not that strict; I don't always go down this checklist before meriting a post. But there's few things on the forum that bother me more than watching a scammer or shitposting spammer rank up. It cheapens the meaning of the ranks for everyone else who is here to play by the rules and make a genuine contribution.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone.

UPDATE 18th November: I now been on the forum a bit longer then the time I created this topic and I truly believe being a Merit-Source is not as easy or fun as it may look like.
So I want to take the time to say Thank you to all Merit-Sources that seeing this with neutral eyes! 🙏

Generally speaking, how and why they send merits to people (as long as it doesn't spark suspicion) isn't anyone's business but the sender's. For one, they got their Smerits fair and square and whatever they'd like to do with it, they're the ones that should only be held responsible and accountable for. They want to hoard it and perhaps grant someone with a rainshower of merits by checking their good posts? By all means, they want to spend it as they come and grant people they want to give merits to regardless of how good they post or not? None of our business yet again. The only time it should concern us if there's something fishy going on which warrants the attention of the forum and the moderator. People hoarding merits and then sending them all at once on a single post without particular reason or whatsoever so they can cycle the Smerits, hackers getting into people's bitcointalk accounts and sending merits to a single account to hoard Smerits and possibly amp their reputation in the forum illegally and artificially, etc. are just among the very reasons as to why people should take notice of people sending merits. In my opinion, anything else that's not what's mentioned here should be let go.

It's theirs to keep and send to people, for merit sources the same can be said but they certainly have virtues that require them to send merits under a principle and not necessarily just cause they like the person. But in any case they could easily do that and I believe no one's gonna bat an eye really.

"Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?" Cheesy

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

-----Emotions-----Opinions-----Fact------

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone.

UPDATE 18th November: I now been on the forum a bit longer then the time I created this topic and I truly believe being a Merit-Source is not as easy or fun as it may look like.
So I want to take the time to say Thank you to all Merit-Sources that seeing this with neutral eyes! 🙏

Generally speaking, how and why they send merits to people (as long as it doesn't spark suspicion) isn't anyone's business but the sender's. For one, they got their Smerits fair and square and whatever they'd like to do with it, they're the ones that should only be held responsible and accountable for. They want to hoard it and perhaps grant someone with a rainshower of merits by checking their good posts? By all means, they want to spend it as they come and grant people they want to give merits to regardless of how good they post or not? None of our business yet again. The only time it should concern us if there's something fishy going on which warrants the attention of the forum and the moderator. People hoarding merits and then sending them all at once on a single post without particular reason or whatsoever so they can cycle the Smerits, hackers getting into people's bitcointalk accounts and sending merits to a single account to hoard Smerits and possibly amp their reputation in the forum illegally and artificially, etc. are just among the very reasons as to why people should take notice of people sending merits. In my opinion, anything else that's not what's mentioned here should be let go.

It's theirs to keep and send to people, for merit sources the same can be said but they certainly have virtues that require them to send merits under a principle and not necessarily just cause they like the person. But in any case they could easily do that and I believe no one's gonna bat an eye really.

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Quote from: stadus on March 02, 2024, 05:22:02 PM

Meriting a post should not be based on ego or personal emotions, but you merit a post because the poster deserves it.

Giving merits depends not only on the quality of the post. If this were so, then absolutely every useful and interesting post would receive merits. But many such posts go unnoticed, or those who would like to give merits for them do not currently have such an opportunity. That is why there are topics that are created by senior members of the forum, who themselves receive a lot of merits, in which they conduct additional review of posts that can ultimately receive merits.

And yes, emotions, subjective assessment, preferences and other 'biased', 'subjective' and not always rational things are present when giving merits. This is even evidenced by the fact that the same post can receive a different number of merits from different people. It would seem that these people all appreciated the post, but for some reason everyone did it in their own way.

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Quote from: Nangiconference on March 01, 2024, 04:17:41 PM

Quote from: _act_ on October 07, 2023, 05:48:41 AM

If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

I see no reason while a merit source will dislike anybody, this is a no man land. Everyone is on its own. I do not see what feelings will be doing in the forum. Bitcoin is decentralised so also to the forum if not for moderators and administrators who are supervising the forum activities. The last time I checked, merit is only to be earned when you make a quality post(contribution) notwithstanding whosoever that made the post. Once a post is quality enough to be merited, it will be merited just like our Facebook, where there are numerous post and the one that catches your interest gains your like.
Merit and Facebook 'likes' are synonymous. When you come across a good post, you like it. It becomes a source of inspiration to the poster spurring him or her to do more.

+1 for you as I see that you’re actually making great improvements on your writing which is a great sign that consistency is one of the best way to learn on the forum and I like it when people learn from criticism rather than drawing negative energy.
There is absolutely no need for emotions while sending merits but the truth is that, there is actually favouritism as one might find favour in the sight of a merit source if there writings are good and pleases the merit source at all time.
This simply means that you have to be very consistent with your writings especially when your writings are good and qualities are top notch and in conclusion, merit will be earned with good post irrespective of who the sender is.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on March 02, 2024, 12:06:14 PM

Even if it doesn't have anything personal to do with the user who is to receive the Merits, if you don't like their posting habits, writing style, or anything in general, you wouldn't want to Merit a post that they do which is constructive.

But that does not happen always. There are some people whom I don't like because of their weird behavior and I don't like some of them for their writing and habits. But, Sometimes I find their posts go with my ethics and I agree with them. I know some of my locals who did some abuse in the past (And probably still do), but sometimes I see valuable posts from them as well which I merit too.

If someone disagrees with my point of view yet posts something logical that makes sense, I send them merits too. For example, I do not support those ordinal things, but they are a supporter of these Ordinal things, If they post something that makes sense, I guess they deserve to be merited.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on March 02, 2024, 12:06:14 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 01, 2024, 04:29:38 PM

Honestly, it’s hard to send merits to those posters you dislike in the forum.

It's an irresistible thing for most people. Tongue

They can't keep personal grudges aside in such matters, besides, why would you want someone to be considered good when you generally don't like them or what they do?

Even if it doesn't have anything personal to do with the user who is to receive the Merits, if you don't like their posting habits, writing style, or anything in general, you wouldn't want to Merit a post that they do which is constructive.

However, if one can let go of their ego, that would be much better, for the forum. Wink

Meriting a post should not be based on ego or personal emotions, but you merit a post because the poster deserves it. By being deserved means you are appreciating his post because it’s based on fact, and you give him merit because it’s actually on point on the given topic. There are great posters in the forum, but there are actually exceptional posters that exceed our expectations from them. Those are the ones that should be given higher appreciation so that they will continue to inspire and motivate others to do the same thing.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on March 02, 2024, 12:06:14 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 01, 2024, 04:29:38 PM

Honestly, it’s hard to send merits to those posters you dislike in the forum.

It's an irresistible thing for most people. Tongue

They can't keep personal grudges aside in such matters, besides, why would you want someone to be considered good when you generally don't like them or what they do?

Even if it doesn't have anything personal to do with the user who is to receive the Merits, if you don't like their posting habits, writing style, or anything in general, you wouldn't want to Merit a post that they do which is constructive.

However, if one can let go of their ego, that would be much better, for the forum. Wink

This is a very nice observation. If people begin to award merits base on personal sentiments and bias, then the purpose of awarding merits will be defeated. Many people have already blacklisted some members in their minds, no matter the quality of your post, they will never appreciate it. This is a very wrong approach, personal sentiments should be kept aside while appraising a person's work. Merits should be given to those who deserve it irrespective of personal differences with the poster.

I can still remember my first merit in the forum, I thought it was quite easy getting merits, after all I just have to put few good sentences together and I'll be merited Grin

. It took me some time before I got my first merit. I chased merits for some time but didn't get it. My first merit came when I stopped thinking about how to get merits and started giving out good information instead. A good post from a dedicated poster will always get a well deserving merit at the right time.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 01, 2024, 04:29:38 PM

Honestly, it’s hard to send merits to those posters you dislike in the forum.

It's an irresistible thing for most people. Tongue

They can't keep personal grudges aside in such matters, besides, why would you want someone to be considered good when you generally don't like them or what they do?

Even if it doesn't have anything personal to do with the user who is to receive the Merits, if you don't like their posting habits, writing style, or anything in general, you wouldn't want to Merit a post that they do which is constructive.

However, if one can let go of their ego, that would be much better, for the forum. Wink

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

OP, I understand exactly what you tried to describe.. you see, I also noticed this way-back, and I brought it up - but that wasn't because I was slow in getting merited (atleast in my own timing) or because my post wasn't worth meriting -- at some point, I needed to stop writing congratulatory messages since it was seen as a way of "begging for merit".. That's the last think I'd do -- ( I didn't have any hate about whoever earns alot), it was because i thought they could be some "recognition policy" that actually barrier newbies or other middle-class posters to rank up easily... until I realized I was right, Jay convinced me otherwise... don't get me wrong! (he might not be practically doing the same thing, based off of the fact that he's an old, respectable member of this forum, but some peeps don't even care... Believe that if you want it but I'll tell you the truth.
I'll always pay so much respect to the few merit sources that have stooped low to see the need of realizing the potentials in every rookie

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Quote from: Woodie on March 01, 2024, 12:35:04 AM

Before anything, these are human beings you are dealing with & emotions are very much part of the biology!
So understanding the point raised means , if you choose a path that will put you in bad books with merit sources and not get you these golden nuggets you have yourself to blame, and let's not forget this isn't an easy undertaking especially that this isn't a paid job for them to spend time going through threads looking for posts that qualify to be merited... otherwise naturally merit should be based on the quality of the most just like they do when making applications when trying to become merit sources.

Honestly, it’s hard to send merits to those posters you dislike in the forum. But I don’t think we should tolerate this kind of feeling towards other members in the forum since we are here not to compete nor take an edge over others but to work harmoniously with other members. Anger nor envy has no room in the forum.

Merits are actually given freely to those who are deserving high quality posters in the forum, and I think we should stick to this idea because merits should be earned, not to serve as an exchange for some favors.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 07, 2023, 05:48:41 AM

If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

I see no reason while a merit source will dislike anybody, this is a no man land. Everyone is on its own. I do not see what feelings will be doing in the forum. Bitcoin is decentralised so also to the forum if not for moderators and administrators who are supervising the forum activities. The last time I checked, merit is only to be earned when you make a quality post(contribution) notwithstanding whosoever that made the post. Once a post is quality enough to be merited, it will be merited just like our Facebook, where there are numerous post and the one that catches your interest gains your like.
Merit and Facebook 'likes' are synonymous. When you come across a good post, you like it. It becomes a source of inspiration to the poster spurring him or her to do more.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 26, 2024, 06:06:04 AM

Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

They were assigned as a merit source, applied as a merit source but they are free to retire as a merit source.

Some merit sources were disqualified by theymos and theymos even rollbacked some wrong merit transactions.

A merit source after appointed does not mean it will take that role forever.

It's like a normal job, I imagine it as if it were a company... And I'll leave you with this analogy... A new person is promoted to this new position, so it's perfectly acceptable that they have to adapt to the new reality and I imagine that the managers and forum mods follow this person more closely until they are fully familiar with their new position... If they do not perform the role satisfactorily, they will naturally be replaced by another... It is not always easy to make the right choices , even more so in things that involve people.

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Quote from: Elissa~sH on March 01, 2024, 03:16:21 AM

From what I've merit and understood on the forums with my tiny brain, qualifying is a display of good quality merit. If we can benefit someone by expressing our good quality merit or if someone is benefited and through any of my posts he can know or understand and learn something new, then we are considered the most qualified accordingly. Competence is never something to be rushed. Come slowly to get the qualification and you will get the qualification.

You have a point there. Though the merit system is not perfect and enough sentiments are going on in sharing it, quality posters will still get it no matter how little. It might be slow in some cases as better posters may even get less merits than lesser quality posters, regardless, one thing I've noticed is that sooner or later, such quality posters will still climb.

Thanks to the effective random merit givers and more thanks to those merit sources that have put it upon themselves to painstakingly ask for the review of posts. A lot of undetected good posters are able to benefit from this, including me. With that arrangement, one can know that there can't be sentiments as quality posts can't just be hidden when a direct review is involved.

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From what I've merit and understood on the forums with my tiny brain, qualifying is a display of good quality merit. If we can benefit someone by expressing our good quality merit or if someone is benefited and through any of my posts he can know or understand and learn something new, then we are considered the most qualified accordingly. Competence is never something to be rushed. Come slowly to get the qualification and you will get the qualification.

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Before anything, these are human beings you are dealing with & emotions are very much part of the biology!
So understanding the point raised means , if you choose a path that will put you in bad books with merit sources and not get you these golden nuggets you have yourself to blame, and let's not forget this isn't an easy undertaking especially that this isn't a paid job for them to spend time going through threads looking for posts that qualify to be merited... otherwise naturally merit should be based on the quality of the most just like they do when making applications when trying to become merit sources.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on February 26, 2024, 06:06:04 AM

Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

They were assigned as a merit source, applied as a merit source but they are free to retire as a merit source.

Some merit sources were disqualified by theymos and theymos even rollbacked some wrong merit transactions.

A merit source after appointed does not mean it will take that role forever.

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One truth is: the more you chase merits, the more the merits will escape you... let things happen, participate in the forum normally, always be here, the merits will come naturally.

Merit comes naturally to good posts. Not all your good posts will receive merit but if you consistently make good posts, you will receive merit.

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Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

One truth is: the more you chase merits, the more the merits will escape you... let things happen, participate in the forum normally, always be here, the merits will come naturally.

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The problem you mentioned OP was really a problem if there were just few merit sources. With over 100 merit sources, you can be sure that at least some of them will like your posts if they are really helpful. And, do not forget that not only the merit sources, even normal members here get merits to spend based on the merits they receive. So your focus should be on making useful posts here instead of complaining about things that you cannot control. Good luck.

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Merits source merits distribution should be strictly based on given honor to who honor is due, merits are meant to distributed to posts that has value, creative and informative, emotions should not be attached to it reason being that it is the post that deserves the merits and not the user itself. So there is no point being selfish about this than just to appropriately utilize that privilege given to them fairly without sentiments.

The meriting system is one of the things that leaves every user excited when post are being merited and it gives more confident that they are learning and contributing meaningfully making them to become a more active than being less active members in the forum.

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