Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post? - page 5.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on October 22, 2023, 08:14:03 AM

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

I've had a few instances where some members disagreed with my posts but still went ahead to merit them. I've also seen that happen with other members too. There are merit sources who are dispassionate about how they distribute their merit. To these dispassionate merit sources, they would rather consider the content and context of comments rather than the posters. So, don't sweat about that. Even if those you think you've issues with don't merit your posts, there will be others who will merit them. Just make constructive posts and leave whatever happens next to providence.

Yes, that's right, every writing definitely has value, even if we don't agree with the writing, but if the writing has good thought value then we can reward it. I once gave merit to an account that had negative trust. In my opinion, the merit system in this forum has many functions, it can be a reward for the quality of posts, performance appreciation, assistance in ranking, friendship, or giving merit to posts that are sometimes very funny.

But sometimes I'm sad when I see good quality post but I don't have any merit to give

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on October 22, 2023, 08:14:03 AM

I've had a few instances where some members disagreed with my posts but still went ahead to merit them. I've also seen that happen with other members too. There are merit sources who are dispassionate about how they distribute their merit. To these dispassionate merit sources, they would rather consider the content and context of comments rather than the posters. So, don't sweat about that. Even if those you think you've issues with don't merit your posts, there will be others who will merit them. Just make constructive posts and leave whatever happens next to providence.

I'm not a merit source, but I also merit not only what I agree with. If I see some interesting line of thinking I can give a merit even if I see that it is based on a false grounds or is logically wrong. So I can make a post where I totally disagree with some post and despite that to merit a post which I disagree. Grin

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

I've had a few instances where some members disagreed with my posts but still went ahead to merit them. I've also seen that happen with other members too. There are merit sources who are dispassionate about how they distribute their merit. To these dispassionate merit sources, they would rather consider the content and context of comments rather than the posters. So, don't sweat about that. Even if those you think you've issues with don't merit your posts, there will be others who will merit them. Just make constructive posts and leave whatever happens next to providence.

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Quote from: EFS on October 13, 2023, 11:33:21 PM

Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

I see the point in your words, however I cannot totally agree that merit has no such meaning of approval. I would rather say that approval is not the only meaning of merit. But it can be one of it.

How exactly can we claim what is right or wrong merit usage? Merit is not universal, it is subjective. Of course, when the system was implemented there were some explanations about ways it might be used. But I believe it was more like a sketch than the finished painting, where everything is understood and clear. I suppose everyone can have his own reasons for giving merits to someone. Other way not everyone would have the opportunity to send sMerits, but only Merit courses would be able to do it.

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They Merit Source have been trusted to share sMerit. And regardless of what method they do it is a right or freedom for them. Well they are human and have feelings. But I think they are wise enough and will definitely still give Merit to quality posts even if those quality posts are made by users who previously had a dispute with them.

But there are some Merit Sources that don't seem to want to deal with users who are avid spammers. They will end up on Merit Source's ignore list.
And yes they are free to do so.

I like the various characters in each Merit Source, especially the Merit Source who are diligent in adventuring to various boards. There are even several Merit Sources that seem to share Merit on various Boards on a regular basis. But one thing I have to admit is that the quality of Merit Source's posts is hard to follow. They consistently maintain the quality of their posts and I think that's great.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on October 22, 2023, 03:43:10 AM

But I just have one problem with this ignore list though, I just have a simple thought about some users here that used to be shit posters but with time actually worked on their selves and then turn out to improve in their posting style and now sound posted, wouldn't it be unfair to have them still in your ignore list without acknowledging their recent improvement? Although this your logic of other merit sources still covers this thought but it doesn't hurt to throw out there question still.

Use your ignore if you don't want to see posts from a shit poster but his posts will still be visually seen by you if another member quotes his posts. If after a long time, you see his posts in quotes are good in quality, you can use Unignore.

In general, merit distribution is emotional from merit sources and non merit sources but this discussion is boring because I see many topics like this one. It will not lead to anywhere if theymos does not deploy Demerit.

With Demerit, discussion like this one will die but another one will appear. "Why my earned merit was down vote and demerit?" and that type of discussion will be endless again.

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

Just want to ask OP. Do you want to see Demerit?

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on October 07, 2023, 07:49:53 AM

I can say most of merit sources are objective, while most of non merit sources are subjective.

I wouldn't say that with an utmost certainty if I were you, the way I see your post, you treat merit sources as if they're robots that they can only follow a prime directive and that they can't stray too far. If most of them were really objective, they would probably merit less amounts of people so I think that emotion or feeling on the candidate post can be a factor whether it's merit worthy or not, I mean there are funny or sarcastic retorts posted out there and I believe that they're outside of the category of being an objective post so if they find it funny but still relevant to the topic aren't they allowed to merit that too? Plus, it's really difficult to measure if someone is subjective or objective, our perspective on what is the perfect post to merit is different and following a strict rule just to be subjective kind of sucks the fun out of being interactive in the forum you know.

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Quote from: hugeblack on October 07, 2023, 06:41:41 AM

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

What is the problem? I disagree with some members in the forum, but they perform a good role in other boards or in local boards. If a person spams or does something that I do not like, I will be put him on my ignore list, but there are more than 100 Merit source members and I sent merits to many other members who can sent 1/2 of it to that account.
If that account is on everyone's ignore list, the problem is with you.

I think your approach is also one way to see how the whole merit system works, because the system is design for the merit to be circle round so If someone is in your list and you deem him as a spammer and is actually doing well in other places then just like you said " there are 100's of merits source" out there that you actually give out merit to and in these merit source, they may be a few that actually sees the user to be trying and actually give the said person some amount of merit worth the quality of his posts.

But I just have one problem with this ignore list though, I just have a simple thought about some users here that used to be shit posters but with time actually worked on their selves and then turn out to improve in their posting style and now sound posted, wouldn't it be unfair to have them still in your ignore list without acknowledging their recent improvement? Although this your logic of other merit sources still covers this thought but it doesn't hurt to throw out there question still.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 14, 2023, 05:33:15 AM

Quote from: vapourminer on October 13, 2023, 03:40:33 PM

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

ive wound up meriting posts from users in my ignore list. as sometimes ill see an ignored users post quoted by someone else and if its interesting ill go unhide it and merit it.

so yes people i dislike and even ignore get merited on occasion. but i wont go out of my way to find them.

This shows you have a kind heart, but many others won't.

And as for the quote you replied to, no matter how good and constructive you are, if you are not in line with the views and ideas of most people, they will never merit you. This is very bad since merit sources are not perfect beings, the posts they refused to merit might be the one carrying the rightest information and value.

Probably that'st the reason why Theymos appointed a lot of merit sources.

Quote from: _act_ on October 07, 2023, 05:48:41 AM

But we have 109 merit source with approximately 33940 smerits given by theymos almost every 30 days.

Listen, if a couple of merit sources aren't feeling your post, there are still over 100 more out there. But, if most of them ain't vibing with your content, it might be time to reevaluate your forum game. You might want to take a breather, analyze your posts, and seek some advice on how to level up. This applies if you're hunting for merits.

However, if you're not quite at that merit-hunter level yet and you're not racking up merits, but also not getting your posts modded out, you're probably doing okay – at least in terms of not breaking the forum rules.

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Quote from: vapourminer on October 13, 2023, 03:40:33 PM

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

ive wound up meriting posts from users in my ignore list. as sometimes ill see an ignored users post quoted by someone else and if its interesting ill go unhide it and merit it.

so yes people i dislike and even ignore get merited on occasion. but i wont go out of my way to find them.

This shows you have a kind heart, but many others won't.

And as for the quote you replied to, no matter how good and constructive you are, if you are not in line with the views and ideas of most people, they will never merit you. This is very bad since merit sources are not perfect beings, the posts they refused to merit might be the one carrying the rightest information and value.

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Quote from: EFS on October 13, 2023, 11:33:21 PM

Naturally, I can't send merit to the member I ignore, but as part of my duty here, I have ignored only a few extremely annoying people so far. If a message is of good quality, I send merit regardless of who wrote it. Just because I appreciate it doesn't mean that I agree with the content of that message. Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

I agree with you because the way some of us picture this whole thing is like with the little issue you had with a user it makes you not to even do what you have to do at the right time, if you as a merit source and you use any form of grudges you have against any user it makes you unprofessional, here's a learning ground.
Using merit to like a quality post doesn't change how you feel about the user, you've done your part and move on, it will even show how mature you are because the user will be thinking you won't do what you have to do just because you guys have issues in the past, all these just boils down to maturity.

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Quote from: EFS on October 13, 2023, 11:33:21 PM

Quote from: bitnote on October 13, 2023, 10:46:08 AM

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

How do you know? You've just signed up last month and never send any merit.

Naturally, I can't send merit to the member I ignore, but as part of my duty here, I have ignored only a few extremely annoying people so far. If a message is of good quality, I send merit regardless of who wrote it. Just because I appreciate it doesn't mean that I agree with the content of that message. Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

This is a very very good answer, and the way it should be in everything in life, many feelings-controlled people should read this. 100% on point.

Thank you for sharing it.

Quote from: bitnote on October 13, 2023, 10:46:08 AM

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

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Quote from: bitnote on October 13, 2023, 10:46:08 AM

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

How do you know? You've just signed up last month and never send any merit.

Naturally, I can't send merit to the member I ignore, but as part of my duty here, I have ignored only a few extremely annoying people so far. If a message is of good quality, I send merit regardless of who wrote it. Just because I appreciate it doesn't mean that I agree with the content of that message. Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

Is a two way thing and one has to provide the merit (the post and not the person in question), one is the individual and the other is post. The person might have done something wrong to offend the merit source but that shouldn't stop the merit source from dropping one or two merits to a post that's informative just because he doesn't like the user.
To me when dropping merit emotions should be kept aside because is not the person you dislike you're giving the merit but the post, after giving the merit you can then go back to hate the user, so to me feeling shouldn't be mixed when giving merit.

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

ive wound up meriting posts from users in my ignore list. as sometimes ill see an ignored users post quoted by someone else and if its interesting ill go unhide it and merit it.

so yes people i dislike and even ignore get merited on occasion. but i wont go out of my way to find them.

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Quote from: bitnote on October 13, 2023, 10:34:50 AM

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From these stats, which are published by the forum.

By the way, regarding the core topic dealt with here, Merits Sources have no real explicit obligations, and have the liberty to sMerit whatever they wish to, subject to a certain degree of implicit ethics in the process. I’m pretty sure no one can be totally objective, and it’s only natural that subjectivity comes into play whether we like it or not, leading to some cases of positive bias or even negative bias. It’s human nature. That’s why what’s important is to have multiple people with a meriting capability, be them Merit Sources or else, introducing a factor of diversity in criteria.

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I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 07, 2023, 05:48:41 AM

You know humans, if they do not like someone, they will not do anything in favour of the person they dislike. And can theymos know, he can not know. But we have 109 merit source with approximately 33940 smerits given by theymos almost every 30 days. If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

from where you got that data?

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Quote from: BobLawblaw on October 08, 2023, 11:51:28 PM

This hurts my feelings.

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

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If this hurt your feelings, then you must have live under a rock all your life or are way to into this forum. Grin

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Giving merits should not be all about feelings alone and there should be a criteria for giving merits. Once a merit source evaluate the post and he feels that this forum user deserves the merit. Forum members that are not merit sources do the same too where they have their own criteria before they reward merits and even me have my own criteria which I based my decisions in rewarding merits to other forum members.

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