Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post? - page 7.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

I believe merit source that dislike the user usually ignores it therefore he will not able to see its post. Merit is human with feelings and it’s not a paid position which he can do whatever he wants on what his guidelines to send merit.

On most cases, I believe merit sources doesn’t read the post that they don’t like unless it was posted in reply to their thread or post. But I saw many times that merit sources still sending merits on post of user that they have arguments. It’s case to case basis but we can’t enforce this to every merit source since it’s a volunteer work without payment. As long as merit is being distribute properly on good quality post then their job is fulfilled regardless of their avoiding post on user that dislike since there’s a lot of merit source available out there to cover for it.

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Quote from: nutildah on October 07, 2023, 11:48:00 PM

It probably goes without saying but users who have less-than-forthright intentions, write bad posts, or are just a-holes are going to be less likely to get merits than honest, constructive, pleasant users... Its just human nature, and its something that can't be changed.

I think it's obvious because when you have one account, you are the one and only to have all your focus for that one account.

Once you start having fun then it's an unstoppable thing not to interact with responses left for you and being in different discussions. On the other hand, people also find their hobby on the forum and master it to stand out from others. I think to receive merit one needs to create good posts, and make themselves stand out of the crowd. It helps to receive more merits when an account is known to others.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

To be selected as a merit source amongst other users can be likened to a leadership position that has been handed to you, and as a leader it is not expected you lead with sentiments and emotions. You lead the territory that you are leader of and try as much as you can to be fair to everyone under it. A good leader separates emotions and sentiments from leadership, same goes for a merit source. As a merit source of a board, it is your duty and something expected of you to be fair in your distribution of merits to quality topics and contributions in that board regardless of your personal opinion of the person who has made the post/contribution. Your ability to separate emotions and sentiments from your distribution of merits makes you a good merit source that deserves to continue.

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I'm a little bit more careful who I give merits to these days as I feel like I've been burned by too many users trying to rank up alt accounts. Sure, you're allowed to have alt accounts but it feels a bit dishonest when people try to pretend that they are not themselves. I've even seen accounts that I know are alts talking to themselves, lol.

It probably goes without saying but users who have less-than-forthright intentions, write bad posts, or are just a-holes are going to be less likely to get merits than honest, constructive, pleasant users... Its just human nature, and its something that can't be changed.

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Merit-sources are supposed to look at the quality of a post, not who wrote it. The whole point of merit is to reward good post that helps the community, even if it comes from someone you do not like. but let us be real, we all have our preferences and can be hard to be totally fair and unbiased.
I mean there arent any hard rules here. Some merit-sources try harder than others to stay objective. The important thing is using merit to recognize people who are making this place better, not just your buddies. Easier said than done though. We are only human. Wink

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Emotion controls the heart and inner reasoning of a man especially women like us, sometimes when giving out merits I looks at how funny or creative and helpful it to me. But whenever I am out of merits I can give 1 or 2 to my levels because I can only spend the little that I have. But those who has large numbers of merits can give out larger amount to people maybe depending on how much they have in their custody but merits is a thing that is meant to be spent not to hold.

Sometimes I do surprise you will see someone who writes very well but doesn't receive merits just because such person has not gain ground yet or is not known to the forum that much. Apparently I can say our emotions controls our acts of giving out merits but that doesn't mean, although some people are usually cool with 1 only maybe to reach a wider numbers of people who needs it, some people can decide to be giving lower rank to encourage them to grow if they noticed such people post very well.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 07, 2023, 01:06:17 PM

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

Yes they should but only if they feel the post is good.

The feelings they have for a person should not be in the way one way or another.

BTW I feel the question is good and even though you struggle with English you efforted to make sense so I gave you 2 merits.

Thanks a lot! and I agree with you. Merit should only be giving out to a good post and feelings should not be in the way for handle out merit to a good post.

Quote from: m2017 on October 07, 2023, 12:05:23 PM

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Quote from: aysg76 on October 07, 2023, 02:48:28 PM

Sometimes you don't agree with the posts but still you hand out merits because the content was good and have seen many sources giving this statement.But on a general note if you think post quality is good and contributed something useful to you or a community as a whole you give merits to that post.They all have different criterias for it handing out merits to each post and sometimes they agree sometimes they don't.

This is how it should be, on point.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

Everyone has a feelings so without a doubt merits source have a feelings too and for sure theres a time they will use it to give their sMerits. Cause in this forum there are many attitude we've encounter which means some of it we will not like and once it will happen then our feelings dictate our doings. Anyways not all people follows there's feelings so in this case merit source give there sMerits to those worthy user here in this forum .

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Sometimes you don't agree with the posts but still you hand out merits because the content was good and have seen many sources giving this statement.But on a general note if you think post quality is good and contributed something useful to you or a community as a whole you give merits to that post.They all have different criterias for it handing out merits to each post and sometimes they agree sometimes they don't.

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Quote from: SamReomo on October 07, 2023, 01:23:15 PM

I believe that a merit source should never add someone in their ignore list if they really want to be helpful to everyone. That's what I think, I don't know others will agree with me or not, but if the merit sources give merits due to someone's contribution then they would never add anyone in their ignore list. Because sometimes the members with low quality posts can also contribute some helpful posts. Sometimes it may be hard for some members to make good posts because English isn't their native language but still they try their best to make posts in English and in that case such members can sometime make good posts as well.

Yes - this is what most spammers expect, but I'm sure there are many spammers already on the merit source ignore list. Merit sources on the one hand are ordinary users who carry out the voluntary task of distributing sMerit - meaning they have the right to take advantage of any features the forum offers them, including ignoring certain users. Ignored users aren't random, of course - they're just select users they think are worth ignoring.

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Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 07, 2023, 01:06:17 PM

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

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Yes they should but only if they feel the post is good.

The feelings they have for a person should not be in the way one way or another.

BTW I feel the question is good and even though you struggle with English you efforted to make sense so I gave you 2 merits.

That's a great statement philipma1957 and yeah I believe that a merit source should always merit the posts that deserve to get merits and in fact most of the times the merit sources do give merits to the posts that they like, but I still doubt that if they dislike a member then they might not give merits the posts of that member. Most of the time when a user of the forum or in this case a merit source, doesn't like the posting style of a user will most probably put that user in his/her ignore list and when someone is in a merit source's ignore list then that particular merit source will never give merits to that user even if he/she makes a best post that can help so many people.

I believe that a merit source should never add someone in their ignore list if they really want to be helpful to everyone. That's what I think, I don't know others will agree with me or not, but if the merit sources give merits due to someone's contribution then they would never add anyone in their ignore list. Because sometimes the members with low quality posts can also contribute some helpful posts. Sometimes it may be hard for some members to make good posts because English isn't their native language but still they try their best to make posts in English and in that case such members can sometime make good posts as well.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

Yes they should but only if they feel the post is good.

The feelings they have for a person should not be in the way one way or another.

BTW I feel the question is good and even though you struggle with English you efforted to make sense so I gave you 2 merits.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources.

Do merits make newcomers think about it even at night and give them no rest? I understand that at low ranks there is a lot of thinking about merit, but at least sometimes need to not think about it.

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

The question, of course, is addressed to merit-sources, but I assume that every merit-source has the right to act as he considers necessary and correct.

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I think not a single merit-source "should" anything. How to distribute merit, with or without feelings, is a purely personal ~~privilege~~ burden and responsibility. But I would also be interested to know what guides merit-sources in such cases, purely out of curiosity. Let's try to wait for a response from at least one of them.

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.

Do you have any other choice?

Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

The word “should” hurts the eyes in your text.

I have a counter question: what is a “good post”? Each user will evaluate this differently. For some the post is “good”, for others it is “bad”. Any award of merit to merit-sources’s users will be a purely subjective decision. There is no need to expect objectivity in this. This is neither good nor bad, but a fact this forum users “~~should~~” preferably accept.

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Whatever humans do, emotion and feelings are always involved. Even if there is a rule stating that no merit source should attach sentiments when meriting posts, it cannot successfully be implemented. I remember a merit source that was always checking my profile for quality posts, on having a lil misunderstanding with him, he stopped sending me merits till date. It is just natural and there is nothing you can do about it. But it is only a few people who does the correct thing irrespective of feelings.

Take for another instance, there are merits source comes out of a debate or argument defeated, yet the send merits to their rivals posts, acknowledging the opponents ability. But some will because of the debate and maybe place you on an ignore list

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I have just gone through your post a little bit without wasting much of my time, merits is something that you don't attached feelings when distributing it to people. Let say for instance, if I am a merits source i might sets a limits I could be giving out so that I won't spend it in an unnecessary post and comments. I can decides to be giving out on 2 merits per post no matter how constructive the post seems to be, or I can decide to be giving out 4 and this also depends on your allocation per months, there are some people whose allocation could be 1k merits per months while some 100 or 200 respectively. Those who are with 1k merits can be more generous to people than those who has limited allocation so in my opinion there's no feeling attached to it the only thing is how much merits left with the user.

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Quote from: BabyBandit on October 07, 2023, 05:44:13 AM

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

Yes, they are allowed to be controlled by their feelings. It is a voluntary responsibility they undertake, so they are giving lots of wiggle room.

Merit sources are judged for merits they give and not merits they do not give. You will almost certainly not know if a source was avoiding your post. If you perceive they are, (like you commenting on a post with a helpful comment and someone repeats your post immediately after you which gets a merit but you don't), you still cannot fault the merit source for that.

In a flawless system sources should be 100% objective in how they distribute their smerits. They should be blind to prejudice and only merit the post and not the user, they should even merit posts they do not agree with if the argument is deserving of it. But we do not an ideal or flawless system here.

- Jay -

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Example: Two users are posting very good posts and both deserve merit, should the merit-source give both merit? In my opinion yes! But what if he dislike one and like the other one?
I mean that their actions should not be controlled by feelings, it should be controlled by fact and their opinions if the post is worthy or not, but not because they are friend or enemy with someone.

Merit source can do as he supposes right as long as does it the way admin sees correct. And that's all. Of course many see the work of merit source the same way (including sources), so usually sources give merits for what they think will make forum a better place for us all (it's your position that two posts are equally good, others could see it the other way). If you think that your own vision has not enough support from existing sources, then make your own application and show what valuable posts are underrated and if you'll get some support then theymos can probably give you such an opportunity.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on October 07, 2023, 07:49:53 AM

I can say most of merit sources are objective, while most of non merit sources are subjective.

Both merit source members and non merit source members use their sMerits, distributing sMerits subjectively and objectively and I am sure you will not find any member only use sMerit subjectively or only do it objectively.

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1. A merit source with 5K merits give someone merit, then this user will merit back the merit source in the next post or other post because he want to make the merit source notice to him or giving more merit.

It is unofficial merit begging but if that poster has good posts, he does not do anything bad. Merit system is designed to highlight good posts with Merit.

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2. Someone only meriting or give more merit to their gangs or friends, but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

I guess you want to say if you have friends, local communities, you can more easily earn merit or exchange merit and it is true.

Your post does not express this opinion well. This phrase "but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits." should be
but the other users who create a same or higher quality but don't have their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

Correct me if my guess is wrong.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 07, 2023, 07:43:23 AM

First, remove the word "should."
Each merit source acts at its own discretion. Someone gives out merits of 50 pieces, and I doubt that people who receive such a number of merits are among the favorites; someone distributes merits even for plagiarism; and someone will give merit to an account with a negative tag.
The word “should” is inappropriate here, since you cannot influence a person to do something if he does not agree with it. But I like merit sources that distribute merit without delving into emotions. If a post is good on the topic, you can earn it, just like if there is a good joke and it deserves merit.
There are a lot of questions in Meta this week about sources of merit. Why does it seem to me that one person sometimes answers himself? Sometimes you can hide behind an alternative account, but the behavior remains the same. Cheesy

I remember one time I gave a merit to a person who had 5 negative tags Grin

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I can say most of merit sources are objective, while most of non merit sources are subjective.

Example:
1. A merit source with 5K merits give someone merit, then this user will merit back the merit source in the next post or other post because he want to make the merit source notice to him or giving more merit.

2. Someone only meriting or give more merit to their gangs or friends, but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

Since giving merit like that will not result in ban or negative feedback, we can only accept this culture.

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