Should online gambling companies be responsible for harm related activities? - page 9.

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Quote from: tabas on July 25, 2021, 02:51:01 AM

Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 12:58:10 PM

Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.

That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.

Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 12:58:10 PM

They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.

Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

In the end, the house will always win. because addicts will be very cared for by them, because using gambling addicts they can manage mentally so that they continue to feel dissatisfied with their wins.
it is very difficult to force a warning against the impact
Moreover, gamblers don't think until they decide to stop halfway. it will be very weak for some gamblers to stop in a place where they have once had a win and then move to another gambling house. All have their own charm, and still, we will again lose and the house will be the sole winner.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Obviously yes, but is it not the addiction is the heart for their business? The more one gambles / plays online on their sites, they get the revenue. And yes they must have a control of CSR policies, however is it not that one who plays is responsible for his / her addiction besides the online companies. Number of players are the fundamental needs for a online gamble and yes, its the players responsibility to have a control on himself / herself not alone any companies. They players should remind himself of his ability now and then.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on July 25, 2021, 07:37:27 AM

Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

I am not a supporter of this approach. Nowadays, the opinion is very popular that people require guardianship from the state and large companies.

People are actually equated with unintelligent children who cannot be held responsible for their actions. It is assumed that humans are inherently stupid and childish.

However, it is not. In my opinion, this approach is not correct. People themselves must be responsible for the consequences of their own actions. This also applies to the situation with gambling.

People have intelligence and logical thinking. It's time to learn how to use these tools.

Yes, people themselves must be responsible for what they do and they can not blame the companies because of losing their money when playing gambling games. Besides that, I doubt that the companies will be responsible for the losing gambler because they think they already give the gambler a warning before entering the site. When someone decides to play gambling, the risk will be behind them and they should realize that the losing money will always be there. Or maybe the companies will give compensation to the losing gambler by giving some money to them but I doubt that.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 25, 2021, 07:08:47 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on July 25, 2021, 06:49:00 AM

The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.

Correct and agree. No one to blame here but the people themselves if they turned out to be irresponsible gamblers.

It's like the effect of other sin activities. If there's a case that gambling operators will take serious handling of their users having a big problem regarding their gambling activity even they aren't directly responsible for why these people turned out bad, then that's a good initiative but not necessary.

We gamble by our own will so we should face the consequences of it whatever the outcome.

Gambling companies were built to be able to generate profits for their owners, not to provide entertainment for free. Therefore, gambling companies
do not need to be responsible to gamblers who have problems with their gambling activities. Because from the beginning the gambler played
gambling there was no coercion from anyone, so gamblers should learn to be responsible for the gambling activities they do on their own accord.
Don't blame the gambling company, if the gambler becomes addicted. Therefore, before deciding to play gambling, they must know the consequences
they will face.

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The answer is no like all the others who posted on this thread the gambling site has no liability and should not have liability at all when players are losing their money or harm done, gamblers have been warned, before joining the gambling site, and the many government warning besides coming from your friends, so if you still let yourself lose control, then it is your fault, not the gambling site.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

I am not a supporter of this approach. Nowadays, the opinion is very popular that people require guardianship from the state and large companies.

People are actually equated with unintelligent children who cannot be held responsible for their actions. It is assumed that humans are inherently stupid and childish.

However, it is not. In my opinion, this approach is not correct. People themselves must be responsible for the consequences of their own actions. This also applies to the situation with gambling.

People have intelligence and logical thinking. It's time to learn how to use these tools.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 25, 2021, 06:49:00 AM

The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.

Correct and agree. No one to blame here but the people themselves if they turned out to be irresponsible gamblers.

It's like the effect of other sin activities. If there's a case that gambling operators will take serious handling of their users having a big problem regarding their gambling activity even they aren't directly responsible for why these people turned out bad, then that's a good initiative but not necessary.

We gamble by our own will so we should face the consequences of it whatever the outcome.

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If large companies was held responsible for their activities and the products they provide... then companies like Coca~Cola and McDonald's would have been bankrupt. Also, big pharmaceutical companies would have to close their doors, because these companies pump several toxic drugs onto the markets and they bribe doctors to hide the adverse reactions to these drugs. ( http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/pfizer_fined_$60m_for_bribing_doctors_to_win_business_417954 )

The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.

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Are there actual gambling platforms that falls out of business? Maybe becuase of surplus winnings, taxation, not enough patronage from the public and lots of other reasons. Are there any of such betting platforms?
If yes, how could that be justified in this regard? Because, its certainly going to have some effects on the CEO and the staff! In one instance, they've run out of there investment funds and again, there source of livelihood. So, who is to hold on this, the customers with surplus wins or what?

For sure, nothing would be done because, everything was done within a fair play system and willingly too. Why should it be any different when the odds are in favour of the gambling platforms or casino halls! Well, this is the very reason why you don't see this happening, 'your responsible for the actions of your freewill '. Be responsible in your gambling and save the world around you the stress of worrying.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

While i support your opinion here mate because i have some friends and family members that become addicted in gambling yet i think it is not a problem of Business owner if what is the result of their costumers .
because they are selling Legal business and it depends on the person if how he will deal on it.so basically it is their mistake and not from the site or even in Live casinos.
yeah we can blame them for the result but we cannot force them to comply on what we are fighting here.
just be careful for what we do and never let our self become addicted that is the best action we must have.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Giving its users a continuous warning related addiction would be enough. The rest is up to the users themselves. Btw, there are many other activities out there that can lead to addiction not just gambling. And as I can understand, many governments already forbid its citizens to do gambling and if they keep doing so they might get caught. There will be double risks for people who came from such countries, got addicted and have to deal with authorities. Those two risk should be enough to halt people to gamble any further.

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Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 12:58:10 PM

Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.

That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.

Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 12:58:10 PM

They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.

Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

I am not aware of that corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices, all I know is a gambling site should be reputable and responsible on how they treat their players by giving them update about their policy and addressing all the issues their players are encountering but not on how they play and how they bet, if they want to bet thousands of dollars and he is ok with it, why they will forbid him to bet with that amount or the gamblers is losing a lot, this is something that they are out of control.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

They will not be held accountable since they're not forcing the players to gamble and its out of their hands.

The gambler itself is the one responsible if he decided to engage himself in gambling. If you dont play with moderation then its your fault for not knowing the consequences if you let yourself play without control.

We always have an option to do the right thing. If you dont want to experience a worse situation by playing gambling then better not to gamble anymore.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

They can only do that if the government where they operated impose them to do that, but this is unfair to the gambling site or casinos, it's like letting gamblers take home their winnings and charge them or fine them if gamblers lose a huge amount of money, no gambling operators can sustain their operation if gamblers are charging and fine them for this so-called corporate social responsibility (CSR), it's the gambler's responsibility on how we will play, and should not be imposed on the casino operators.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on July 25, 2021, 02:08:37 AM

Quote from: BuNga_cute on July 24, 2021, 06:36:07 PM

Online gambling companies are not responsible for what happens to gamblers, they only provide facilities for people to play gambling and
get entertainment. Gamblers need to be able to control themselves so as not to overplay, which can make them addicted. Because we decide
to play online gambling, we must already know the risks, so we can't blame online gambling companies if bad things happen to gamblers.
If we do not want to become addicted to gambling and do not want to lose a lot of money, there is no need to play gambling. Because from
the start, gamblers have indeed played online gambling, of their own volition and there is no coercion at all from online gambling companies.

Yes, like I have first commented that neither the government not the gambling companies are responsible for anything, only the gamblers will face the consequences of losses, nothing will the government give while the gambling companies do not have safety measures for gamblers, even if they have safety measures, that is not even 10% adequate for helping gambling addicts and other gamblers that gamble often because it is even getting easier to deposit money into gambling companies account to be used to bet.

yeah right even they've got something to remind those gamblers the control among themselves, still relies from how they take care of their bankroll and how they manage their emotions while playing the game.

Just like how the government reminds people when taking the cigarette, gambling also reminds participants to be responsible with their money.

Nothing happens without consent of the person who are doing the actions.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on July 24, 2021, 06:36:07 PM

Online gambling companies are not responsible for what happens to gamblers, they only provide facilities for people to play gambling and
get entertainment. Gamblers need to be able to control themselves so as not to overplay, which can make them addicted. Because we decide
to play online gambling, we must already know the risks, so we can't blame online gambling companies if bad things happen to gamblers.
If we do not want to become addicted to gambling and do not want to lose a lot of money, there is no need to play gambling. Because from
the start, gamblers have indeed played online gambling, of their own volition and there is no coercion at all from online gambling companies.

Yes, like I have first commented that neither the government not the gambling companies are responsible for anything, only the gamblers will face the consequences of losses, nothing will the government give while the gambling companies do not have safety measures for gamblers, even if they have safety measures, that is not even 10% adequate for helping gambling addicts and other gamblers that gamble often because it is even getting easier to deposit money into gambling companies account to be used to bet.

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Well that was a pretty stupid idea ngl. It's like asking the manager at the time to be responsible when their bank was robbed. It's outside of their responsibility. They did their best, it's the customer's turn now. Gambling isn't a one-sided relationship with the casino, it's both sides that need to make an effort to make it a healthy community. Casinos have done their job by employing the business itself, plus following rules and regulations set by the state, they offered us entertainment facilities in exchange for our money.

The concept of harmful activities due to gambling doesn't seem to be in that scope now, does it? Because being "harmful" in general doesn't only stem from gambling, nor does it stem from anywhere else. It stems from the person themselves, so why blame others when you're the one at fault? That's a pretty narrow view imo.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 24, 2021, 09:24:48 PM

Free will is important despite the potential repercussions of it. My state just allowed legalized gambling and every commercial or advertisement has to come with a warning, just like cigarettes do. However if you want to smoke yourself to death or blow all of your money, then that should be your right. Sure there will always be innocent bystanders but to try and prevent free will is just often very wrong. So with free will can come repercussions but the companies that provide the service aren't forcing anyone to use them. It's your choice and if you can't handle it then don't start or get help..but don't blame the hand that you loved feeding you until you went beyond your means.

I generally agree with what you say. But I also think it is good that public authorities take measures to reduce damages, not only with advertising, but also by forcing companies to offer self-exclusion tools and other measures.

But, yes, we cannot end up in a paternalistic state that forces to compensate those who drink a bottle of whiskey and go into an alcoholic coma or those who destroy their lives with gambling, as long as there have not been abusive practices.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

So far I have not read a gambler suing online gambling sites because he loss huge money from betting because of this so-called CSR a gambling site is a gambling site, they can only remind you and encourage you to become a responsible bettor but all your action on betting as long as you are not cheating and within their rules, they cannot interfere, it's on you to discipline yourself.

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