Should online gambling companies be responsible for harm related activities? - page 4.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 03, 2021, 09:21:37 AM

Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

Rules are No. 1, although we don't really like rules. Because as guests we certainly have to appreciate what is our obligation to stay there for a long time and get comfortable gambling. The host and all related in it is their right to continue to apply the rules as they should. Maybe the casino owner will say, if you don't like it then please leave our house.

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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.

And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.

I cant really think off that those things would be solely offered into their users unless for some exemption when you are a whale or big spender of a casino then you might really be getting some perks but i dont

really expect that much that it would connect out to health insurances or something like that.They arent responsible on what would happen to you since its already out of the scope of their responsibility.

They're here to give out entertainment to people and its up to someone on how they would be handling up their finances.Its out of their scope on babysitting those people who had been addicted.

I consider this to be a joke of the century because I have never a certain rule which stated that the casino to help their customers who are addicted and later rob, killed, or hospitalized. They can help the victim if they want to and it will also be if the incident happens within their environs and the same applied to the customer that is a big spender if he/she is yet to be a club member.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on August 02, 2021, 12:01:21 AM

at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.

And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.

I cant really think off that those things would be solely offered into their users unless for some exemption when you are a whale or big spender of a casino then you might really be getting some perks but i dont

really expect that much that it would connect out to health insurances or something like that.They arent responsible on what would happen to you since its already out of the scope of their responsibility.

They're here to give out entertainment to people and its up to someone on how they would be handling up their finances.Its out of their scope on babysitting those people who had been addicted.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on August 06, 2021, 04:22:10 PM

Quote from: kotajikikox on August 02, 2021, 12:01:21 AM

at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.

And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on August 02, 2021, 12:01:21 AM

at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.

And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

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I agree, for a long time I have been tired of people that want all kind of rights to be given but they do not want to accept the responsibilities that come with those rights, if people want the freedom to do almost whatever they want then they need to accept the responsibilities that come with it, casinos should not be held responsible for the losses that their clients incur, if someone doesn't want to lose money while the gamble then there is a very easy solution, do not gamble, but if you want to do it then you need to accept that you are taking a risk and that if you do not control it then you're going to pay the price.

We as a person demand for a rights that we think we deserve but we should bear in mind too that every rights we demand we also to take a responsibility for ourselves and for the establishments especially gambling establishments or institution that we are opt to in. There are are limitations for the demand of our rights and if we were going to look for something to blame on in our losses due to our reckless decisions then the establishments has nothing to do with it.

That’s alright to ask for some help but we have no right to demand for them to help us because in the first place, we choose to gamble at our own risk and the casinos are not responsible for the next action that you’ll take. Addiction is a broad concern for many, casinos can’t control it but they offer a help through their organizations that focuses more on addict gambler. We have to play based on capacity, don’t force yourself beyond the limit.

Exactly, gambling is optional, no one is forcing anyone to gamble and to use their money in something that they do not want, if people want to gamble then they need to accept the possibility that they are going to lose money, there is no way around it, anyone that does not understand this simply does not have the mental maturity to gamble and it is up to them to realize this fact and avoid gambling if that is the case, and if they cannot do this then they are completely responsible for it.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 03, 2021, 09:21:37 AM

Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

Rules are No. 1, although we don't really like rules. Because as guests we certainly have to appreciate what is our obligation to stay there for a long time and get comfortable gambling. The host and all related in it is their right to continue to apply the rules as they should. Maybe the casino owner will say, if you don't like it then please leave our house.

No one is really forcing you to play, therefore you dont really actually have the right to make complaints or sue them out on why you had become addicted because this is a self decision

for you to play that long on a gambling site or place.They are not really responsible on why you become addicted and they wont care on treating off those addicted ones since these are people

The only thing you can complain to gambling sites ia if they didn't give us fair games or gives us better service towards using their website but for anything related to addiction or losing our wealth then we cannot go and complain about what happen to us since in the first place we are the one who came to them and play its just we abuse ourselves thats why we came to a bad positions and provably lost everything we have.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 04, 2021, 02:24:48 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 03, 2021, 09:21:37 AM

Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

Rules are No. 1, although we don't really like rules. Because as guests we certainly have to appreciate what is our obligation to stay there for a long time and get comfortable gambling. The host and all related in it is their right to continue to apply the rules as they should. Maybe the casino owner will say, if you don't like it then please leave our house.

No one is really forcing you to play, therefore you dont really actually have the right to make complaints or sue them out on why you had become addicted because this is a self decision

for you to play that long on a gambling site or place.They are not really responsible on why you become addicted and they wont care on treating off those addicted ones since these are people

who would be making out more revenue to theirs.They would just simply ignore you when you dont have money to play and the rest is something you should need to care.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 02, 2021, 10:45:57 AM

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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.

There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.

Therefore, it would be nice if a gambler reads the rules to the end so as not to misunderstand the applicable rules. Because usually the rookies who play carelessly, do not put forward the applicable rules, they are too hasty and want to play immediately and become winners. If you encounter difficulties, the casino is often completely blamed. Because the casino will help with complaints only within the scope of the site then later on it is no longer their responsibility to provide assistance.

Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 01, 2021, 11:05:38 AM

Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.

There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.

Therefore, it would be nice if a gambler reads the rules to the end so as not to misunderstand the applicable rules. Because usually the rookies who play carelessly, do not put forward the applicable rules, they are too hasty and want to play immediately and become winners. If you encounter difficulties, the casino is often completely blamed. Because the casino will help with complaints only within the scope of the site then later on it is no longer their responsibility to provide assistance.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 10:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Casinos and gambling sites write that they help addicts just to show that they are ethical. Think about it - after all, it is the casinos that want as many people as possible to be addicted. The only thing casinos and gambling sites do to help people who are addicted to gambling is to get rid of all their money. Wink

Everyone has to be very careful not to become addicted and that is the best solution. However, when someone becomes addicted, he has to go to a specialist and ask his loved ones for help - only they can help, not the casino.

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Morally yes technically no.
Gambling companies are just fulfilling a requirement of a market, if there aren't any gamblers then there won't be any gambling industry but there are actually.
The adrenaline rush from gambling or other risky activities is hardwired in most of us.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 23, 2021, 11:46:51 AM

It is out of the scope of what they offer. It is the people themselves who are inflicting harm toward others, and you can't expect a gambling platform to police such activities especially if it's outside their premises.

Out of their scope indeed and its none of their business if they players got addicted into the service that they do give into people.Its for entertainment and there are no other intentional
thing that would be putting them on harm and since its their decision to make and not on the casinos and just like what others been saying that its their decision to make and its just
right that they would be facing up the consequences on the things that they had done.Its not their problem if someones get addicted since it is not the casino who had
been holding their money to spend on.So theres no other to blame but only yourself.

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I can gamble throwing pennies against a wall, in college we used to gamble with a pack of cards between lessons and on the bus back and forth and no company was involved. Gambling isnt an exclusive product, the sole burden of handling a personal problem with gambling is the person themselves. The companies should do their best to comply with requests to restrict access or whatever measure can help maybe capital controls of amount available to gamble but beyond that they can only do so much and the idea the gamble doesn't exist without a company is a fallacy.

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Quote from: harizen on August 02, 2021, 06:07:11 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 02, 2021, 03:40:34 AM

If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation.

It's not totally wrong to treat gambling seriously for a purpose of earning large sums of money. For a gambler, I like that mindset rather than the common quote here to only gamble the amount afford to lose and just gamble for fun. With that mindset and target to earn large money, it will make a gambler serious and focus making it the reason why should they won, at least.

But unfortunately, as you have mentioned, others aren't being concerned about their financial situation and it now affects their life outside gambling. It's something that gambling companies don't have control so it's not valid if they will be held responsible for that.

A very wrong mindset to have and why would companies would be taking the blame if the gambler becomes addicted? Its true that gambling could be addictive but you arent forced to play on said place
which this is a matter of someones decision in terms of their finances and if they do mess up then they have no rights on suing out the company just because they become broke because of gambling.
All matters on how you do handle your finances and you wont really be ending up on that situation and you have no right on blaming everyone but only blame yourself on why you hadnt able
to control yourself when it comes to gambling.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 02, 2021, 03:40:34 AM

If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation.

It's not totally wrong to treat gambling seriously for a purpose of earning large sums of money. For a gambler, I like that mindset rather than the common quote here to only gamble the amount afford to lose and just gamble for fun. With that mindset and target to earn large money, it will make a gambler serious and focus making it the reason why should they won, at least.

But unfortunately, as you have mentioned, others aren't being concerned about their financial situation and it now affects their life outside gambling. It's something that gambling companies don't have control so it's not valid if they will be held responsible for that.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 01, 2021, 03:10:31 PM

The thing that we talk about is when the gambler becomes addicted and he just keeps on losing money. It's for sure that the casino will help with each of the complaints that have been sent to them. But if it's a different thing such as it's a behavioral problem of the gambler and he's the one that harms himself. The casino is outside of that scope already and it's the gambler's responsibility for every action that he does. Unfortunately, not all gamblers know how to become responsible.

I havent yet to see anyone or a casino assist those who are addicted to gambling because of the games, but in our country, those owners are required to give a percentage of their income to the people, which includes those who are addicted as well as those who are hospitalized and do not have enough money to pay the bill. I believe casinos are advising their players about addictions, similar to how cigarettes and alcoholic beverages have warning labels, and we all know it is still our fault, not theirs, so we should exercise self-control.

What type of assist are you thinking? they're assisting if it's about the game and the gambler is about to play. But if it's about the assistance that a gambler should get from them when they're already addicted and after they gamble. You'll never see a casino do that.
They are a business and not a charity so if that's the type of treatment that you're thinking, there won't be any in existence.

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I don't think these gambling companies will accept responsibility for those who have spent a lot of time and become addicted to gambling because it's their personal choice and because they lack self-control. If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation. Being greedy is a sin; you have a choice from the start and are still dragged by the temptation to win that huge pot; this is not the fault of the companies; it is yours.

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Quote from: harizen on August 01, 2021, 07:07:16 PM

Quote from: lienfaye on August 01, 2021, 02:41:14 PM

So simply dont play if you cant handle the consequences.

Honestly, these people already know and are aware of the consequences and risks once they gamble.

But the thing is, they disregard it because they want to take chances. Everyone wants to win, who else wouldn't like that. And the next thing that will happen is now a part of history.

Some people are lucky, some people are not. In that case, gambling companies shouldn't be blamed for whatever they ended up.

and also they can't resist the lust of winning because they have experienced once to win big so they keep on seeking how to win those back and I'm sure many addicted gamblers can relate on this part when they earn addiction over desires.

Just gamble if you have self control and if not then never enter gambling.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on August 01, 2021, 11:05:38 AM

Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.

There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.

The casino has a responsibility when there is a complaint from your account then the support is ready to help until it recovers, if outside of that then it is not the responsibility of the casino but it is only outside the player how to play the casino regularly or not.
I think a gambler knows the meaning of being responsible, so it is still within us that we must be prepared to take any risks, including defeat or addiction.

The thing that we talk about is when the gambler becomes addicted and he just keeps on losing money. It's for sure that the casino will help with each of the complaints that have been sent to them. But if it's a different thing such as it's a behavioral problem of the gambler and he's the one that harms himself. The casino is outside of that scope already and it's the gambler's responsibility for every action that he does. Unfortunately, not all gamblers know how to become responsible.

I havent yet to see anyone or a casino assist those who are addicted to gambling because of the games, but in our country, those owners are required to give a percentage of their income to the people, which includes those who are addicted as well as those who are hospitalized and do not have enough money to pay the bill. I believe casinos are advising their players about addictions, similar to how cigarettes and alcoholic beverages have warning labels, and we all know it is still our fault, not theirs, so we should exercise self-control.

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