Should online gambling companies be responsible for harm related activities? - page 6.

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But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.

Yes, managing time will be a good idea to do if you want to play gambling or other activities because that can help you know how long you already do something and you need to move to the other things after you finish something. You can break the barrier by managing your time in gambling to prevent the addiction while you can enjoy playing gambling. I am sure the temptations will always be there because we all have that experience and still control that before we ruin ourselves.

A new obstacle was found, and I'm sure you must have experienced it, well I set the time in such a way, but the time limit has not run out, I lost first. So I made another deposit and making two deposits was a mistake. After the allotted time has not expired I lost again. What do you think I should do if that's the case? because I feel so unfair, cases like this cost me more than usual.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on July 30, 2021, 10:00:11 AM

Quote from: ipanks on July 30, 2021, 06:22:53 AM

But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.

Yes, managing time will be a good idea to do if you want to play gambling or other activities because that can help you know how long you already do something and you need to move to the other things after you finish something. You can break the barrier by managing your time in gambling to prevent the addiction while you can enjoy playing gambling. I am sure the temptations will always be there because we all have that experience and still control that before we ruin ourselves.

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Quote from: ShowOff on July 28, 2021, 08:44:16 AM

OP, from the many answers I read above, I agree that gambling companies should not be held responsible for what happen to gamblers. If you know that gambling is a risky activity, then of course they should also be held accountable for the gambling they do.

In a country where gambling is legal maybe the government imposes a limit on the budget that gamblers use every month, I've read a few time about this before on the forum. But the point is, every gambler really should have some responsibility for his or her gambling because it is not just about money but there are many other effect they might receive once it's all gone.

They might only be able to impose such a limit in physical casinos, but if someone is addicted to gambling that person will easily circumvent any barriers just by playing online. You can set up several accounts with the same provider if you use VPN and hardly anything can stop you from wasting a shit ton of money on gambling, whether there is a limit set by the government or not. They can't control let alone enforce those limits.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 30, 2021, 12:59:28 PM

yes indeed! after that huge losses, instead of quitting crazy things comes up and new sets of ideas got circulated inside your brain.

That's a fact. That is also where the problem starts. Either this person will continue to gamble or will seek revenge for their losses.

I salute those people that able to control themselves and successfully beat the desire of doing gambling after a painful loss. It's not totally a solution to quit gambling but rather next time they do it, try to play the game just at their limit even how hard it is.

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Quote from: harizen on July 30, 2021, 09:38:48 AM

Bottom line, gambling operators shouldn't be responsible for the aftermath of a gambler whether they end up in good or worst. It's our responsibility to act properly everytime we lose. Losing too much does really affect the mental health that might lead us into thinking crazy about how to recover those losses.

yes indeed! after that huge losses, instead of quitting crazy things comes up and new sets of ideas got circulated inside your brain.

Trying to recover and keep losing your money, every action that being take place while into this activities are in the hands of the gambler itself. And again yes, it's not the operators but you as gambler should take full responsibilities of your actions.

You have to deal with your actions very carefully before it cause you something that you'll going to regret forever.

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Quote from: ipanks on July 30, 2021, 06:22:53 AM

But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 28, 2021, 07:09:25 AM

If a gambling site does not violate any rules, norms and pays taxes, then it is not obliged to treat people with gambling addiction. This should be done by the state, which has licensed gambling activities on its territory and collects taxes from gambling sites.

Bottom line, gambling operators shouldn't be responsible for the aftermath of a gambler whether they end up in good or worst. It's our responsibility to act properly everytime we lose. Losing too much does really affect the mental health that might lead us into thinking crazy about how to recover those losses.

Quote from: madnessteat on July 28, 2021, 07:09:25 AM

This should be done by the state, which has licensed gambling activities on its territory and collects taxes from gambling sites.

Actually, there are lots. However, a person that already falls into the trap of gambling will stay away as possible from those institutions.

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Quote from: ipanks on July 28, 2021, 05:47:34 AM

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.

Well, controlling yourself first is a good start to start gambling. Because the condition of a calm feeling will determine our dexterity when playing. I'm going to time it, and need a few lists that I need to detail before getting started. Without a single thing I forgot in it.

But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

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I think it all comes back to the players, because what must be guided further is that they are the players or gamblers themselves and not about accountability to the gambling company. Gambling companies simply provide a notification or a reminder when the gambler has lost a few dollars, but instead of a reminder of a loss, is there also a reminder of a big win? So that I think has to be an equality or balance as well and therefore, it all comes back to the gambler or the player himself about the awareness of the time to stop.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on July 28, 2021, 01:29:55 PM

Quote from: ipanks on July 28, 2021, 05:47:34 AM

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.

Well, controlling yourself first is a good start to start gambling. Because the condition of a calm feeling will determine our dexterity when playing. I'm going to time it, and need a few lists that I need to detail before getting started. Without a single thing I forgot in it.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM

I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.

Correct. Every gambler must agree with terms and conditions before signing up in a casino platform. He accepts taking the risks and the responsabilities for every of his actions inside the platform. The rules are clear as are the risks, so the casino really doesn't have any responsability for any harm that might affect the gambler. After all it's the gambler who is harming himself, not the casino.
The problem is that nowadays there is a clear tendency in blaming activities and inanimate objects (in the case of guns restrictions) instead of blaming the individuals, that are the real guilty in every cases.

Therefore it is very important before deciding to play gambling, we first read the terms and conditions, so we know the rules of the gambling platform
that we will use. Because if something happens that we don't want on the gambling site, we have to bear it at our own risk. Because the gambling site is
not responsible for what happens if a loss occurs when playing gambling, therefore always control ourselves when playing gambling. Don't blame
the gambling site if we lose a lot of money when playing gambling, try to introspect ourselves first before blaming others. Sometimes we enjoy
playing gambling too much, so often gambling excessively and it's not a good thing to do.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM

I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.

and do you really believe that gambling operators will let this happen? they rather spend millions of dollars paying the government officials for this not to be allowed because if does then this is their lifetime burden.
as addicted gamblers are doubling time and time again.
best that we must learn our position and our limitations.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on July 28, 2021, 01:29:55 PM

Quote from: ipanks on July 28, 2021, 05:47:34 AM

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

You should try to see how effective that method is so you can limit your time and, of course, your money. I am sure no one will want to see their loss in big money in gambling, so you must prevent it by yourself. I guess the method is not bad but that will depend on how you can follow the instruction. If you succeed using that method, you will not have to worry about becoming addicted because you can handle yourself when you play gambling.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM

I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.

Correct. Every gambler must agree with terms and conditions before signing up in a casino platform. He accepts taking the risks and the responsabilities for every of his actions inside the platform. The rules are clear as are the risks, so the casino really doesn't have any responsability for any harm that might affect the gambler. After all it's the gambler who is harming himself, not the casino.
The problem is that nowadays there is a clear tendency in blaming activities and inanimate objects (in the case of guns restrictions) instead of blaming the individuals, that are the real guilty in every cases.

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I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.

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Quote from: ShowOff on July 28, 2021, 08:44:16 AM

OP, from the many answers I read above, I agree that gambling companies should not be held responsible for what happen to gamblers. If you know that gambling is a risky activity, then of course they should also be held accountable for the gambling they do.

In a country where gambling is legal maybe the government imposes a limit on the budget that gamblers use every month, I've read a few time about this before on the forum. But the point is, every gambler really should have some responsibility for his or her gambling because it is not just about money but there are many other effect they might receive once it's all gone.

The risk is borne by the gambler himself, as the conclusion will strongly agree that there are no official rules listed by the Casino to anyone who feels addicted and feels disadvantaged when he plays without having signs to stop playing.

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 23, 2021, 10:32:06 AM

I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.

This is just like a situation on where cigarette complanies should be blamed of for peoples addiction in smoking?

This is just like a situation on where gaming companies should be blamed for people addiction in games neither on computer or other similar things?
Its just nonsense kind of act where they should really be blamed of because this is actually a personal choice and decision and if they do make
themselves get addicted then its their fault.

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Quote from: acener on July 28, 2021, 12:33:01 PM

I don't think that it is their responsibilities at all would the fast food chains or food industry be responsible for any harm related to over eating?
It is all under our control so why blame the companies when it was all due to your action(or their action) they didn't force you to do it.

Nice logical thinking. It's the same as the gamblers and the casino relationship. The casinos will remain whether there are addicted gamblers or there's no more. But they are there to stay to give people entertainment and also what they want, money.
The harmful effects of gambling have been known for ages but those people that are experiencing it should be the ones to be stopping so that no harm will be made into their lives by gambling since they're the ones that hold the money and gamble.

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Quote from: milewilda on July 27, 2021, 02:15:12 PM

This is why gambling physical places doesnt have a watch because it would really just make out their players on not to be aware with the time and would play even more without minding on what time
it is and also forgetting the money you do have and most likely you would really be wasting or losing it all in the end of the day.I dont see the point on why gambling companies are the ones who would
took the blame for harmful effects of gambling into its users.This is clearly been showing that this is a personal choice and decisions that they do play into a point that they are already risking out big
money until they do get addicted.I dont see the responsibility for these casinos to mind off for its players on not to get addicted.

A true gambler will not blame the casino for what he gets the impact, whether it is an internal or external impact. Because he knows what risks he will face. One thing that gamblers need to know, especially those who are still in the stage of being hit by gambling, is if you are not ready for the risks and impacts of gambling addiction, it would be better not to try to start.

Quote from: ipanks on July 28, 2021, 05:47:34 AM

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 28, 2021, 10:22:21 AM

Since 2017, I have been playing at FreeBitco.In, and on other platforms, and my learning has been based on the essay and error, and I discovered that the longer I was playing, the chances of losing were greater, of course, I used Many patterns that made me lose.
But now I have determined that it is better to last a long time playing the slot machines and making very small bets, I always use the slots to dismiss me and for fun, of course the money I have on the slot is very little and controlled and willing to lose.

But I think the tragamonedasy in poker tournaments, the longer they play the probability of winning increase.

I do not know if you have the same perception regarding that kind of games.

What you have experienced, I have felt when playing slots made me willing to pay for what I spent once or twice placing a bet with the smallest amount.

Well, even though what you get is worth what's at stake. However, slots often make us comfortable if the more we often place the probability of winning and losing is almost 50:50.

As for poker, I've honestly never tried it, even though it's been a long time gambling. The reason is that I do not have sufficient knowledge of the game. let alone playing poker digitally, in fact I have never tried it. Honestly, just playing Slots because it is the easiest way to play gambling.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on July 28, 2021, 10:57:28 AM

Quote from: Quidat on July 25, 2021, 03:56:31 PM

Addiction is something that really puts this business to be profitable and its really an advantage imho but they are really aware on what are the things that they could give out into its users
this is why some sites does have that consolation links or even reminders about on how addicting gambling is.It is really just on peoples self control on how they do gamble out.
Its just right for them to took the blame?No they should not because this is a personal problem or persona choice.You had let yourself get addicted and this is something a gambling place
or site hadnt really any control of.So the one to be blamed is yourself.

drink beer until you forget your way home, from that statement we know Kasion provides everything so that you still feel comfortable there. If you want to go right away, they offer Entertainment. Either way, you won't be allowed to leave before all the balance you have is at stake.
Although the addict admits to what he is doing is a wrong choice, but still lust can not be defeated by the mind that has escaped by the curiosity that continues to control your mental. Nothing can stop you, because if you have 10 reasons to quit, then the Casino has 1000 of ways to keep you going.

What a nice comparison Roll Eyes

, but yeah if you have those reasons to quit lingering inside your mind are those more reason for you to keep playing and keep coming back,

Once you get addicted there's nothing you can do but seek help with your love ones and try harder to help yourself to recover back.

the desires and lust that keep you attached with gambling is needed to breakout, keep yourself busy with other things as even the
gambling site ban you, chances that you'll just keep creating new account still there.

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