Should online gambling companies be responsible for harm related activities? - page 8.

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Quote from: ipanks on July 27, 2021, 08:55:03 AM

So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

Does it mean that controlling the time will be very useful? because that way we can have limits in gambling. At least make a reminder of how long we have to gamble in a day or how long we have spent money based on a predetermined time.
I haven't heard of any such method for any gambling. Because, usually when we gamble, we don't really care about the time that has been passed, the most important thing is to catch up and get it back until it finally consumes all the remaining funds.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 26, 2021, 09:42:38 AM

No, they are not, and they should not.

one you gamble, that means you understand the risk and what you bet is what you can afford to lose.
if you look at the reality in gambling which is most gamblers lose money, you should know how to manage the risk and that is gambling with limit.

The problem only exists to gamblers if they don't know the risk and they get careless as that would result to irresponsible gambling and we know what would happen to an irresponsible gambler.

And most of the time that happened to those gamblers who don't have good control with their emotions, the problem begins once the gamblers start to engaged more of their time inside the gambling house. Such addiction is more on the gamblers side, the attitude and emotions that keeps him coming back to play the game. the kind of urgency that really hard to control / resist.

Needs to always be responsible with every actions that you'll going to take. It would be very helpful to prevent getting addicted in anyhow.

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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.

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Quote from: zanezane on July 27, 2021, 09:15:26 AM

If it's their staff that caused harm or it's an accident in their premise, I think that they have to be responsible but if it's the clients that have started the ruckus, then it's natural that the business isn't responsible. It's a matter of who did what first in my opinion except for accidents.

I think I can agree with this one, I feel like the one who did it first is the one responsible, it's efficient because you easily know who's to blame and shoulder the responsibility. Also in regards to online gambling, the client side should exercise the most caution because they should know by now that anyone can steal from you online.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 26, 2021, 12:38:51 PM

In addition, I also heard that online casinos also do KYC for security purposes.

Gradually indeed the KYC process will soon be implemented on casino platforms that already have a legal license because this has become a rule on their part that has allowed gambling to be legalized, but this is still a pro and con some don't want this to happen because they want the casino crypto remains anonymous and what can be done is all on the side of the team that does this and only some casinos have implemented KYC, like Roobet and maybe others will follow suit in the future.

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If it's their staff that caused harm or it's an accident in their premise, I think that they have to be responsible but if it's the clients that have started the ruckus, then it's natural that the business isn't responsible. It's a matter of who did what first in my opinion except for accidents.

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Quote from: aioc on July 24, 2021, 11:05:37 AM

Gambling sites or casinos is played at your own risk, even nongamblers know this if you want to play and lose money or win money you should understand the mechanics, you don't win and go home and complaint when you lose, you have to be responsible on all your activities, the one responsible why you lose and why you are harmed is you alone because you decide to play.

Well, you come and you go too. The casino does not call nor is it pushy. ready to be tempted because of seduction which has become the job of the casino, the rest depends on who reads the sheet of gambling rules. There is no risk borne by the Casino. gamble on your own interests and interests, your own money, and lose on your own. Nothing to do with Casino. because gambling casinos only serve and are not responsible for the losses you get.

So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

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Quote from: aioc on July 24, 2021, 11:05:37 AM

Gambling sites or casinos is played at your own risk, even nongamblers know this if you want to play and lose money or win money you should understand the mechanics, you don't win and go home and complaint when you lose, you have to be responsible on all your activities, the one responsible why you lose and why you are harmed is you alone because you decide to play.

Well, you come and you go too. The casino does not call nor is it pushy. ready to be tempted because of seduction which has become the job of the casino, the rest depends on who reads the sheet of gambling rules. There is no risk borne by the Casino. gamble on your own interests and interests, your own money, and lose on your own. Nothing to do with Casino. because gambling casinos only serve and are not responsible for the losses you get.

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It is strange if the gambling company has to be responsible for the actions of gamblers outside its territory. If it is still within the scope of the owner's business and is still in the environment, then it may involve gambling companies. Some countries have legalized gambling, it is also a source of tax, therefore the owners of gambling companies must be able to cooperate with the government. But of course not all because I think online casino fraudsters also exist, so they can't be traced. In addition, I also heard that online casinos also do KYC for security purposes.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on July 26, 2021, 09:03:09 AM

my view is different from yours, they never invite us directly to play gambling on their site

Who do you think you are? Why casinos should send a private invitation to you? Did you gamble with over tens of thousand dollars each session? Even if they invite you for doing a partnership or in order to play on their casino, you have the right to refuse it and they wouldn't force you at all.

Quote from: Tumanggor on July 26, 2021, 09:03:09 AM

but they make an attraction to make us play on their gambling site

That's the purpose of marketing, not just limited to casinos but other services also did it to attract people to use them. Without marketing, a business couldn't sustain itself for long and have to close sooner than expected.

Quote from: Tumanggor on July 26, 2021, 09:03:09 AM

it is a behind-the-scenes obligation that must be fulfilled by gambling site owners who have made a lot of money from the gambling business

In case they didn't make lots of profits then they don't have to fulfill the CSR job? Roll Eyes

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No, they are not, and they should not.

one you gamble, that means you understand the risk and what you bet is what you can afford to lose.
if you look at the reality in gambling which is most gamblers lose money, you should know how to manage the risk and that is gambling with limit.

The problem only exists to gamblers if they don't know the risk and they get careless as that would result to irresponsible gambling and we know what would happen to an irresponsible gambler.

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Quote from: rodskee on July 26, 2021, 07:51:13 AM

Nope they are not ,
First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.

Maybe they never force us but theres a gambling company that lure or bait gamblers . it can be done when they promote

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Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .

we are on our right mind but we can't stop even if we know that what we're doing is not right when in the middle of addiction .

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Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?

There are certain gambling companies that are closed down by government aside from illegal because they think it can influence people .

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 09:43:07 AM

Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose, that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However, we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

For me these are not effective.In fact these companies only apply the politics and practices imposed by the government in where they abide at least juridically.They don't care much if a person has lost his house in their casino by gambling it all there.I don't know any sponsorship these casinos have made for example to foundations like "Gamblers anonymous" which is well known for treating gambling addiction.They have failed until now at this,their practices do not help anyone.There is room for more to be done.

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Quote from: rodskee on July 26, 2021, 07:51:13 AM

Nope they are not ,

First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.

Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .

Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?

my view is different from yours, they never invite us directly to play gambling on their site but they make an attraction to make us play on their gambling site
it is a behind-the-scenes obligation that must be fulfilled by gambling site owners who have made a lot of money from the gambling business

Even companies engaged in other fields are required to carry out CSR as a form of concern
I firmly say that online gambling companies should do CSR

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on July 26, 2021, 07:55:57 AM

If the gambling operator is responsible for the addicted gamblers ?then surely they are all closed by now because government will run towards them about the effect of gambling and the addicted has someone to blame then .

Exactly, it's just like cigarette companies and manufacturers, they might give you graphic warnings but they will never intervene with you because you are their money maker and that's the limit of what they can do or so they say. Same with gambling, if people are addicted, that's not on the manager to stop them to care for the well being of their clients.

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If the gambling operator is responsible for the addicted gamblers ?then surely they are all closed by now because government will run towards them about the effect of gambling and the addicted has someone to blame then .

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Nope they are not ,

First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.

Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .

Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 24, 2021, 01:00:01 AM

Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.

I have said this about the addiction thing as well. People write an email to casinos telling them that they should be banned because they are an addict, and casinos oblige and ban them. Why? I mean it is the perfect customer for a casino, an addicted man losing everything they have to a casino is something casinos should want not something they should avoid because in the end this is a business.

I have talked about how there are many bad companies, look at beer and whiskey and all those companies, they are killing people, look at cigarette companies they are killing people, basically there are business' around killing people, hell there are ones that build warplanes and airstrike drones that literally kill people directly, and I would understand if it was for defence but some nations use it 8000 miles away from their nations just because they paid for it and want to use it. So long story short casinos are not responsible for ANYTHING gamblers do, it is not their responsibility to make them live a better life.

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Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 11:58:10 AM

Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.

That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.

Quote from: ChrisPop on July 24, 2021, 11:58:10 AM

They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.

Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

In the end, the house will always win. because addicts will be very cared for by them, because using gambling addicts they can manage mentally so that they continue to feel dissatisfied with their wins.
it is very difficult to force a warning against the impact
Moreover, gamblers don't think until they decide to stop halfway. it will be very weak for some gamblers to stop in a place where they have once had a win and then move to another gambling house. All have their own charm, and still, we will again lose and the house will be the sole winner.

Addiction is something that really puts this business to be profitable and its really an advantage imho but they are really aware on what are the things that they could give out into its users
this is why some sites does have that consolation links or even reminders about on how addicting gambling is.It is really just on peoples self control on how they do gamble out.
Its just right for them to took the blame?No they should not because this is a personal problem or persona choice.You had let yourself get addicted and this is something a gambling place
or site hadnt really any control of.So the one to be blamed is yourself.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on July 25, 2021, 02:15:50 PM

Quote from: Rruchi man on July 23, 2021, 09:43:07 AM

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling? Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Obviously yes, but is it not the addiction is the heart for their business? The more one gambles / plays online on their sites, they get the revenue. And yes they must have a control of CSR policies, however is it not that one who plays is responsible for his / her addiction besides the online companies. Number of players are the fundamental needs for a online gamble and yes, its the players responsibility to have a control on himself / herself not alone any companies. They players should remind himself of his ability now and then.

I agree since not every gambling platforms are successful that's they needed those potential players and yes, it is the customer's responsibility to control their selves for not falling ill into addiction. I believe this CSR is most functional only on traditional casino and not really that effective in an online gambling sites.

So I think we have to propose something here if Op want this to happen in online gambling like a notification or pop-up message that someone is playing too much and is quite losing. Would this be helpful or annoying to them? Besides, online gambling really need a lot of players and if these players come together, do they have the time police each one of them?

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