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Quote from: dkbit98 on January 05, 2022, 01:29:36 PM

I know exactly what cheap display model Ledger Nano S is using and you can purchase it for few bucks online, when it stops working after few years of normal usage (Not talking about device constantly connected to computer).
There are several video instructions for replacing display yourself, or you can use smartphone camera to mitigate this issue.

I was surprised that it's so easy to replace the screen yourself. You basically just pull out the connector for the old one and replace it with the new one you bought for a few bucks.

In the video you posted, the man says that he purchased two displays for around $8. But the other link you posted from buydisplay.com shows a price of $2.79. It's quite a big difference. Are you absolutely and 100% certain that particular brand will work with a Ledger Nano S?
One more thing. When you order a new display from that site, do you need a 'ZIF Connector (FPC Connector)' as well?

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Ledger nano s has green OLED film display but not LCD one. The lifetime of green OLED emitters is ranging from ^{46,000 to 230,000 hours} so there is no need to worry about its state if it is powered on a couple of hours per day. The most dangerous for this type of display is a water. That is why you need to do all you can to prevent water (condensate including) from coming inside the plastic case of Ledger nano (both s and X).

This is totally wrong assumptions, it is well known fact that display is weak spot for this devices, and you can find countless reports from people who complained about their screen going dim or totally stopped working.
I know exactly what cheap display model Ledger Nano S is using and you can purchase it for few bucks online, when it stops working after few years of normal usage (Not talking about device constantly connected to computer).
There are several video instructions for replacing display yourself, or you can use smartphone camera to mitigate this issue.
If you want to check my claims just type phrase ledger nano s display problem in browser search or youtube, and you will see clear results.
In addition to this, keeping your device non-stop connected to your computer can be a security risk.

Just for comparison, I don't know a single case of oldest hardware wallet Trezor One with bad or faulty display going dim.
That doesn't mean it's can't happen like for any other devices, but that is not something happening in mass scale.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 02, 2022, 10:08:02 AM

Maybe it wasn't supported at the time you purchased your Trezor device, but Axie Infinity is now natively supported by the two Ledger devices. The data leaks had no affect on the crypto assets though whatsoever.

For the SLP and AXS which are the in-game tokens, then YES, Ledger products can hold these ERC20 tokens. What I'm referring about is Trezor's integration with their Ethereum-linked sidechain called Ronin, and using Trezor Wallet is the only way to increase the security of your NFT assets (e.g., Actual pets, Lands). Despite the fact that they did not support Ledger for their project, I am still happy that I own 2 hardware devices which I can use not only for axie but for other purposes as well, maybe for backup.

Quote from: Lucius on January 02, 2022, 11:34:44 AM

Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

@Pmalek is correct, it isn't some sort of protection around the device, but rather the transparent version of Ledger Nano S. I chose the transparent body over the black color since it looks cool and isn't something you see often among other Ledger users. Seeing the inside of the case looks cool though even if its fuzzy type of transparent.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 03, 2022, 06:20:15 AM

As for the price, it was a bit higher, at least if we look at some reviews from that time - so the price on the official Ledger site was about $70, while resellers had even 100% higher prices. It seems that 2017 was a turning point for many to buy such devices, which is not surprising given the price of BTC, which increased by almost 20 times that year.

Actually, you are right. I made the mistake of adding the wrong fiat symbol because whenever we talk about Bitcoin, it's usually converted to a USD equivalent, not a EUR one, for example. I should have said €49-€59. I think I got mine for €49 or maybe even €39 on a very good discount.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 03, 2022, 04:54:27 AM

The picture he posted here is the transparent version of the Ledger Nano S. I don't think there is any additional protection to it. Unless he has other pictures elsewhere.

I did not know that such a version existed at all, although I was aware that there were versions in different colors. It seemed to me that it was some kind of extra protection from moisture and dust.

Quote from: Pmalek on January 03, 2022, 04:54:27 AM

The Nano S was sold for $49-59 if I remember correctly. On discount, it was possible to get it for $39, maybe even less. Hence its popularity.

As for the price, it was a bit higher, at least if we look at some reviews from that time - so the price on the official Ledger site was about $70, while resellers had even 100% higher prices. It seems that 2017 was a turning point for many to buy such devices, which is not surprising given the price of BTC, which increased by almost 20 times that year.

Quote from: http://cryptoincome.io/nano-ledger-s-review-best-cryptocurrency-hardware-wallet-market/

Amazon Prime customers could order a Ledger Nano S on the same day for $142 but it would not be stock until September 15. The lowest price for Nano S, on Amazon on September 7, 2017, was $109.99 from a supplier called cryptoHWwalletCOM. The wallet was on back order at that store, just like it was at Amazon Prime. Better prices can be found at Ledger’s website where the device retails for €58 ($69.59). Unfortunately, they are often sold out there as well. Therefore it might be a good idea to shop around and order early. They typically sell out of each batch they make right away and then it’s a 2 to 4 month wait for the next batch.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 02, 2022, 11:34:44 AM

Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

The picture he posted here is the transparent version of the Ledger Nano S. I don't think there is any additional protection to it. Unless he has other pictures elsewhere.

Quote from: Lucius on January 02, 2022, 11:34:44 AM

I can't remember exactly how much Trezor cost 4-5 years ago, but it seems to me that it was more expensive than the Nano S.

The oldest achieve I could find is from January 2017. Back then, the Trezor One used to cost $99. The Nano S was sold for $49-59 if I remember correctly. On discount, it was possible to get it for $39, maybe even less. Hence its popularity.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 02, 2022, 01:54:58 PM

Note that it is possible to break plastic on ledger nano s if you press it to hard when you remove the cable connection.

So don't press it too hard. Tongue

It's similar to your girl's or your kid's hand. If you press it too hard, it might break. Don't do it.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on January 02, 2022, 06:50:24 AM

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet Grin

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How dare you question Trezor's quality... Cheesy

On a serious note, if you were referring "only" to the micro-USB head that directly attaches to your Trezor One, as long as you're not plugging it in like a maniac, you shouldn't worry about it Grin

Quote from: Pmalek on January 02, 2022, 10:08:02 AM

9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

And from those 8 users, three of them own a Trezor One as well ^{[unfortunately, Ledger is better at marketing/advertising their products]}.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on January 02, 2022, 06:50:24 AM

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet

There is no way you can break your device when you unplug it from your computer.
It's more likely that you will break your device keeping it all the time connected with your computer.
At very least your lcd screen will stop working much earlier than it could otherwise (this is especially related with ledger nano s device), and they are not created to be always powered on.
Note that it is possible to break plastic on ledger nano s if you press it to hard when you remove the cable connection.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on January 02, 2022, 06:50:24 AM

- I purchased my Ledger Nano S on May 13, 2020, during the first year of quarantine, and the product was delivered after 9 days of waiting :'(due to some restrictions that caused the courier's delay. @Lucius posted this thread Ledger Nano S - Get 50% off! in which I took advantage of the sale.

I remember that, the 50% discount was a great opportunity to buy a hardware wallet. Now I noticed that you have some protection around HW, and it is also in the original image you posted in my thread - is it something that was in the package, or did you add it additionally?

Quote from: Pmalek on January 02, 2022, 10:08:02 AM

9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

Ledger has been popular in the past, especially because of the discounts they had, and perhaps because of the design. I can't remember exactly how much Trezor cost 4-5 years ago, but it seems to me that it was more expensive than the Nano S.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on January 02, 2022, 06:50:24 AM

- I originally purchased the Trezor One to store all of my Axies/NFT because the Axie Infinity does not support Ledger products, which I believe is understandable given the Ledger hacking fiasco.

Maybe it wasn't supported at the time you purchased your Trezor device, but Axie Infinity is now natively supported by the two Ledger devices. The data leaks had no affect on the crypto assets though whatsoever.

Quote from: Maus0728 on January 02, 2022, 06:50:24 AM

So far, after using both products after a year and for months, I have not found any hardware issues, with the exception of Ledger's latest firmware upgrade, which causes the overall storage to drop dramatically.

I think the overall capacity before the latest firmware upgrade is 144kb and that it drops to 138kb after the update is done. Not dramatic, but somewhat of a noticeable difference sure. I still haven't performed the upgrade on my end and I am not in a hurry to do it.

9 users have taken part in this thread so far and shared some feedback regarding the wallets they own. From those who did, 8 users own a Ledger Nano S.

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- I purchased my Ledger Nano S on May 13, 2020, during the first year of quarantine, and the product was delivered after 9 days of waiting :'(due to some restrictions that caused the courier's delay. @Lucius posted this thread Ledger Nano S - Get 50% off! in which I took advantage of the sale.
- I originally purchased the Trezor One to store all of my Axies/NFT because the Axie Infinity does not support Ledger products, which I believe is understandable given the Ledger hacking fiasco. I ordered it on October 26, 2021 from an authorized reseller in our area, and it arrived three days later.

I also do not unplug the cable on the Trezor One because I use it on a daily basis and I feel that unplugging the cable repeatedly can break the hardware wallet Grin

. So far, after using both products after a year and for months, I have not found any hardware issues, with the exception of Ledger's latest firmware upgrade, which causes the overall storage to drop dramatically.

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Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 09:29:56 AM

This thus goes to show that you don't judge a book by it's cover: the HW.1 was looking pretty flimsy... Just a plastic card and nothing more... But i have used this very first type of hardware wallet for years on an allmost daily basis... It has been gathering dust for many years afterwards... But when i plug it in, it works just as good as the day i purchased it

That's is quite nice and shows the quality of the device. It is amazing to be able to use it after so many years, after so many software (and blockchain) updates.

Anyway, as I said in the first post, the only thing you really need is the seed. As the device generated the seed safely, you really don't need to worry about the hardware if it breaks.

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just in case anybody is wondering about an update from the HW.1:

I plugged it in on my pc, everything looked fine.
I started electrum, created a new wallet using a hardware wallet and i was greeted with this screen:

I took it one step further and tried creating a native segwit wallet... This was taking it one step to far:

Then i tried a nested segwit (which went perfectly fine)

And last but not least, i created a legacy wallet... and since i didn't wipe the device and still knew my pincode by heart, i was greeted with this screen:

Then it got me thinking: did i ever claim the BCH fork (and all other sh*tcoin forks later on)... As an early (very small) christmas present, i found about $30 worth of sh*tforks... Not that i'm going to sweep them right ways... My recovery card is in my banksafe and electrum doesn't allow my to export my private keys (which is normal for a hardware wallet)

This thus goes to show that you don't judge a book by it's cover: the HW.1 was looking pretty flimsy... Just a plastic card and nothing more... But i have used this very first type of hardware wallet for years on an allmost daily basis... It has been gathering dust for many years afterwards... But when i plug it in, it works just as good as the day i purchased it

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 08, 2021, 07:08:10 AM

Quote from: SFR10 on December 08, 2021, 06:52:12 AM

Are you implying that the pen-shaped item is a hardware wallet?

I don't think so. I am not aware of any pen-shaped hardware wallets. Looks like a standard pen to me. I think he was trying to say that the best and safest way to store your recovery phrase is by using a pen and paper and not relying on other parties or gadgets, like in the case of hardware wallets.

He was most probably implying that he just writes down the private key or seed onto paper. Pen and paper are not software and can be seen as hardware.
I'd guess that he either doesn't understand what hardware wallet means, either wanted to play "I am smart and funny". Or both.

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Quote from: SFR10 on December 08, 2021, 06:52:12 AM

Are you implying that the pen-shaped item is a hardware wallet?

I don't think so. I am not aware of any pen-shaped hardware wallets. Looks like a standard pen to me. I think he was trying to say that the best and safest way to store your recovery phrase is by using a pen and paper and not relying on other parties or gadgets, like in the case of hardware wallets.

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Quote from: IIrik11 on December 07, 2021, 12:05:25 PM

https://imgur.com/M9O9UDf
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Are you implying that the pen-shaped item is a hardware wallet?

Quote from: Pmalek on December 07, 2021, 01:28:05 PM

At first I was wondering what is that Nano S doing in the background on your screen and why don't you mention that you have one of those as well. Then I realized that it's this thread that's open and visible on your computer screen.

My bad ^[sorry]... Without the vignette effect, your profile would've been more noticeable in the upper left corner.

Quote from: LTU_btc on December 07, 2021, 06:56:49 PM

I t would be very interesting to see this hardware wallet, but I completely understand your concerns why you're not sharing it. I tried to make little search for this wallet, but failed to find anything.

AFAICS, no one has posted anything about it on this forum ^{[so far]}, but there are a lot of other wallets out there that are based on Trezor's firmware ^{[to an extent]}:

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- Trezor DIY Wallet
- PiTrezor DIY Wallet

Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 05:06:44 AM

https://mocacinno.com/hotlinkimages/hw1_small.png
here's mine Grin

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Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 05:06:44 AM

here's mine Grin

I had to laugh when I saw the HW.1. So does it actually hold any coins and does it even work nowadays?

Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 05:06:44 AM

At the office and in my banksafe, i have a ledger, trezor one and trezor T laying around... But since covid prevents me from going to the office, i can't provide pictures.

Which Ledger, the S or X? Do you use all three (actually all four) hardware wallets? Asking because I want to know whether I should add all four devices into the table next to your name.

To answer those questions:

Nope, the HW.1 is no longer in active duty... I don't remember when it went EOL, but it must have been many years ago . I did buy it directly when it hit the market, and continued using it up untill the point it was no longer considered to be a good idear to do so (i don't really remember if it was because there was no more firmware upgrades or because there were unpatched vulnerability's... I just remember i had a good reason to retire the device). If somebody is interested, i can try if i get it running again, but no guarantees...
I own a Ledger nano S (i should have specified), if memory serves me correct it also still has that protective plastic around the usb cable (just like yours)
I do use the ledger nano S and both trezors on a relatively regular basis.... Covid makes some devices non-accesible from time to time due to restrictions for going to the office, but i do use them whenever i have access to them.

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Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 05:06:44 AM

here's mine Grin

I had to laugh when I saw the HW.1. So does it actually hold any coins and does it even work nowadays?

Quote from: mocacinno on December 08, 2021, 05:06:44 AM

At the office and in my banksafe, i have a ledger, trezor one and trezor T laying around... But since covid prevents me from going to the office, i can't provide pictures.

Which Ledger, the S or X? Do you use all three (actually all four) hardware wallets? Asking because I want to know whether I should add all four devices into the table next to your name.

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here's mine Grin

At the office and in my banksafe, i have a ledger, trezor one and trezor T laying around... But since covid prevents me from going to the office, i can't provide pictures.

ps: i know the HW.1 is no longer safe to use... I keep it as a conversation starter, not as a real hardware wallet.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 07, 2021, 06:56:49 PM

BTW, maybe someone have one of these limited edition Ledger like Bitcoin Pizza Day edition or Bitcoin White Papper edition?

I created this same thread in my local Croatian sub-forum to see what people were using there as well. And one of our local members uses a Ledger Nano X "Genesis Block Edition". You can see his post and a few of the pictures he uploaded of the device here. The only difference between the standard and the Genesis Block Edition is in the engraving that is present on the stainless steel cover.

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