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Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 21. (Read 50169 times)

legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Successful prison breaks happen only in movies. So I am a little bit skeptical. But at the current rate of drug legalization (just look at Portugal and Uruguay) around the world, I hope that within 10-15 years, the United States will start legalizing the soft drugs such as weed and shrooms. Still, that doesn't guarentee his release, as he is accused of other crimes as well.

The drug thing is just a part of his impressive charges.

According to this http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/01/02/no-relief-convicted

The US is one of the few places that doesn't tend to take future law changes into account with convicts. The law at the time remains the law for them.

If he was convicted at state level there might be more wiggle room.

That's right, the United States is the one of the only countries in the world without retroactive ameliorative relief. The U.S. is also the only country in the world that in practice sentences juveniles to life. You better be a perfect model citizen and very lucky or you will be punished by one of the most harsh criminal justice systems in the world. What I mean by lucky is, if you walk into a party and there's a pile of marijuana on a table and people are snorting something - run as fast as possible. If they raid that party you could be convicted along with everyone else even if you're not high. If they make the drugs legal in that state later too bad for you. You still aren't getting out of prison.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
Straight to ADX Florence where he'll be buried alive for several years. No human contact and a tiny patch of sky to look at.

Who want human contact, if it is only with hardcore criminals such as rapists, robbers and murderers? I still want him to try prison break.  


Look a little bit into solitary and it quickly becomes clear that denial of any human contact will have massive consequences for your mental health. Even a few weeks or months might fuck you up for life, let alone decades which is what some people have experienced.

I've known a few folks who went to prison. A fair few made some good friends there. Some actual peaceful socialising does take place despite the calibre of guest.
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!

As a soldier he has to take the oath of allegiance after the basic training. As soon as he did this (and I assume he did), when he stole this secret material and made it accessible to "the enemy", he commited a clear treason. No doubt about it.


I think you mean oath of enlistment.
The fact that you use quotes there also makes me think you -do- have doubt about it.  

So some kids who didn't know what was going on over there got to see some graphic footage of already past "action".  Who cares?  Shit just using the US dollar seems more treasonous than that.  



"oath of enlistment" is correct, sorry.
The quote was set, because "the enemy" is meant as an unknown identity, which is relative to the identity we are talking about here (USA). The enemy of the USA can be a hero for the Russians and vice versa.
Now the point is indeed this oath, which is clearly set to bind the soldier on millitary law. As soon as he spoke the words, there is no turning back and handing over classified data to the "enemy" is called high trason in a lot of countries, not only the USA.

Do you really think any of the "classified data" that he published for the US public and US military to see helped any enemy?  Or is this one of those things where, here's some sucker, lets beat him up to make ourselves feel powerful even though it makes us look like impotent losers to anyone with a brain?  




legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!
Well, this sentence is hard enough. Yet quite appropriate as for me, no one forced him to sell weapons and drugs.

No one forced him, and he never did. 
legendary
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And not everyone gets raped in prison but you seem to be quite preoccupied with that for some reason.

Well... prison rape is a big problem every where, not just in the United States. And people like Ross Ullbricht, who previously had no direct contact with the career criminals, will be especially vulnerable.

>>Successful prison breaks happen only in movies.
Well no, according to the last days - http://news.yahoo.com/sweep-small-town-2-escaped-killed-comes-empty-053750275.html

People escape from prison every now and then. But in 99% of the cases, they will be caught within the next 24 hours. Successful prison breaks are extremely rare, outside the Hollywood world.

These 2 guys are still undetected. I can't believe they even left a funny note saying "have a nice day" to the guards. It's totally Hollywood tier stuff.
legendary
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And not everyone gets raped in prison but you seem to be quite preoccupied with that for some reason.

Well... prison rape is a big problem every where, not just in the United States. And people like Ross Ullbricht, who previously had no direct contact with the career criminals, will be especially vulnerable.

>>Successful prison breaks happen only in movies.
Well no, according to the last days - http://news.yahoo.com/sweep-small-town-2-escaped-killed-comes-empty-053750275.html

People escape from prison every now and then. But in 99% of the cases, they will be caught within the next 24 hours. Successful prison breaks are extremely rare, outside the Hollywood world.
hero member
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>>Successful prison breaks happen only in movies.
Well no, according to the last days - http://news.yahoo.com/sweep-small-town-2-escaped-killed-comes-empty-053750275.html
hero member
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Well, this sentence is hard enough. Yet quite appropriate as for me, no one forced him to sell weapons and drugs.
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Successful prison breaks happen only in movies. So I am a little bit skeptical. But at the current rate of drug legalization (just look at Portugal and Uruguay) around the world, I hope that within 10-15 years, the United States will start legalizing the soft drugs such as weed and shrooms. Still, that doesn't guarentee his release, as he is accused of other crimes as well.

The drug thing is just a part of his impressive charges.

According to this http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/01/02/no-relief-convicted

The US is one of the few places that doesn't tend to take future law changes into account with convicts. The law at the time remains the law for them.

If he was convicted at state level there might be more wiggle room.

That's not quite true. To simplify it: certain fundamental changes in constitutional criminal procedure will be applied retroactively under Teague v. Lane, 489 U.S. 288 (1989).
sr. member
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Straight to ADX Florence where he'll be buried alive for several years. No human contact and a tiny patch of sky to look at.

Who want human contact, if it is only with hardcore criminals such as rapists, robbers and murderers? I still want him to try prison break. 

I wasn't talking about Ross. I was speaking in general. And if he did try to escape they could take away his privileges or put him in solitary.

If I was in his place, I wouldn't care much about the prison privileges. And solitary confinement will be a much better option, when compared to getting sodomized by the seasoned criminals.

Of course you would. You're in jail until you die and you wouldn't care about losing the only things that are keeping you sane? You'd go nuts in solitary confinement for that long. And not everyone gets raped in prison but you seem to be quite preoccupied with that for some reason.
legendary
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Straight to ADX Florence where he'll be buried alive for several years. No human contact and a tiny patch of sky to look at.

Who want human contact, if it is only with hardcore criminals such as rapists, robbers and murderers? I still want him to try prison break. 

I wasn't talking about Ross. I was speaking in general. And if he did try to escape they could take away his privileges or put him in solitary.

If I was in his place, I wouldn't care much about the prison privileges. And solitary confinement will be a much better option, when compared to getting sodomized by the seasoned criminals.
sr. member
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Though it's almost unheard of and those that do usually get caught very quickly. Not really worth it as when you get caught your sentence will just be increased.

Ross Ullbricht is already sentenced to life in prison without parole. How they are going to increase his punishment? By giving him the death penalty? In my opinion, if Ross gets a (semi-)decent chance to escape from the prison, he should utilize it. Even if he gets caught, it will make no difference to his prison term.
 

I wasn't talking about Ross. I was speaking in general. And if he did try to escape they could take away his privileges or put him in solitary.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht

He is already sentenced to life in prison without parole. How they are going to increase his punishment?  By giving him the death penalty?
 

Straight to ADX Florence where he'll be buried alive for several years. No human contact and a tiny patch of sky to look at.
legendary
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Though it's almost unheard of and those that do usually get caught very quickly. Not really worth it as when you get caught your sentence will just be increased.

Ross Ullbricht is already sentenced to life in prison without parole. How they are going to increase his punishment? By giving him the death penalty? In my opinion, if Ross gets a (semi-)decent chance to escape from the prison, he should utilize it. Even if he gets caught, it will make no difference to his prison term.
 
legendary
Activity: 2590
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Welt Am Draht

Successful prison breaks happen only in movies. So I am a little bit skeptical. But at the current rate of drug legalization (just look at Portugal and Uruguay) around the world, I hope that within 10-15 years, the United States will start legalizing the soft drugs such as weed and shrooms. Still, that doesn't guarentee his release, as he is accused of other crimes as well.

The drug thing is just a part of his impressive charges.

According to this http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/01/02/no-relief-convicted

The US is one of the few places that doesn't tend to take future law changes into account with convicts. The law at the time remains the law for them.

If he was convicted at state level there might be more wiggle room.
sr. member
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Ross won't serve life in prison. This society is going too last 5 years, maybe 10 max before the shit hits the fan. Ross has a good 50 years or so left of his natural life. He will not spend more than 10 in prison before the coming collapse. He'll be out in a prison break for sure..

Successful prison breaks happen only in movies. So I am a little bit skeptical. But at the current rate of drug legalization (just look at Portugal and Uruguay) around the world, I hope that within 10-15 years, the United States will start legalizing the soft drugs such as weed and shrooms. Still, that doesn't guarentee his release, as he is accused of other crimes as well.

Not all the time: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dannemora-prison-break-escape-has-become-longest-prison-break-in-new-york-history-10311916.html

Though it's almost unheard of and those that do usually get caught very quickly. Not really worth it as when you get caught your sentence will just be increased. And many states have already legalized cannabis medicinally and more are starting to do it for recreational purposes too but it'll be a long time before they legalize it on a federal level.
legendary
Activity: 3766
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Ross won't serve life in prison. This society is going too last 5 years, maybe 10 max before the shit hits the fan. Ross has a good 50 years or so left of his natural life. He will not spend more than 10 in prison before the coming collapse. He'll be out in a prison break for sure..

Successful prison breaks happen only in movies. So I am a little bit skeptical. But at the current rate of drug legalization (just look at Portugal and Uruguay) around the world, I hope that within 10-15 years, the United States will start legalizing the soft drugs such as weed and shrooms. Still, that doesn't guarentee his release, as he is accused of other crimes as well.
AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key

As a soldier he has to take the oath of allegiance after the basic training. As soon as he did this (and I assume he did), when he stole this secret material and made it accessible to "the enemy", he commited a clear treason. No doubt about it.


I think you mean oath of enlistment.
The fact that you use quotes there also makes me think you -do- have doubt about it. 

So some kids who didn't know what was going on over there got to see some graphic footage of already past "action".  Who cares?  Shit just using the US dollar seems more treasonous than that. 



"oath of enlistment" is correct, sorry.
The quote was set, because "the enemy" is meant as an unknown identity, which is relative to the identity we are talking about here (USA). The enemy of the USA can be a hero for the Russians and vice versa.
Now the point is indeed this oath, which is clearly set to bind the soldier on millitary law. As soon as he spoke the words, there is no turning back and handing over classified data to the "enemy" is called high trason in a lot of countries, not only the USA.
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!

As a soldier he has to take the oath of allegiance after the basic training. As soon as he did this (and I assume he did), when he stole this secret material and made it accessible to "the enemy", he commited a clear treason. No doubt about it.


I think you mean oath of enlistment.
The fact that you use quotes there also makes me think you -do- have doubt about it. 

So some kids who didn't know what was going on over there got to see some graphic footage of already past "action".  Who cares?  Shit just using the US dollar seems more treasonous than that. 

AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key

If I say you commited treason, does that make it so?  

If I tell you you have a headlight out, do you claim I have conspired against your vehicle?  
  
I would address your argument, but as you can tell I have to guess what it is.. because you have made none.  


By your infantile 'logic', I can call you a hemaphrodite and it will be so regardless of your actual traits.

Playing word games, very childish. Manning is a traitor and a liar because he amusingly thought he could flippantly throw away the promise made to serve the country - in this case he was serving no one but himself. Breaker of vows, liar, and a cowardly pssy - and not even a man at that.

Some hero you fcks pick out to be your role model Grin

Odd, actually my infantile logic claimed exactly the opposite of that.  

Anyway,  here we finally have the beginning of an accusation:  "he flippantly thew away the promise made to serve the country".  

Continue please.  What specific act went against what specific promise?  

    

Remember the recommendation is capital punishment.  One would hope you would take that seriously enough to actually mention something real, rather than just "I hate vagina, kill this guy".  

I really don't care that you and he are homosexual, actually I was curious if there was anything real behind the accusation.  Guess not, what a surprise.  

"Angry trolls demand execution because reasons, news at 11"


As a soldier he has to take the oath of allegiance after the basic training. As soon as he did this (and I assume he did), when he stole this secret material and made it accessible to "the enemy", he commited a clear treason. No doubt about it.

edit: this had happened if Ross had chosen the Netherlands as a base:

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2015/06/10/utopia-market-developer-sentence-by-higher-courtroom-in-arnhem/

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Steven Ruijter: Utopia Market Developer Aka “CosaNostra”, who was recently released after 1 year in prison, was sentenced today by The higher courtroom in Arnhem (Netherlands) to  2 years prison OR a release by bail  of 15,000 euros that need to be paid within 160 days counted from date of sentence (june 8 2015) to avoid prison time which will be converted to the time served during the trial. He was also sentenced to 200 hours community service.




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