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Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 24. (Read 50152 times)

legendary
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Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane

The overall incarceration rate is way over the average in the United States. Even for the non-Hispanic whites, the rate is much higher when compared to the same in Canada or the United Kingdom. The main reason for this high incarceration rate is the so called "war on drugs". More than a million people are currently incarcerated on drug related offences. And almost none of them are drug lords.

Yep, the United States leads the world in only three categories.

1) Number of incarcerated citizens per capita
2) Number of adults who believe angels are real
3) Defense spending

Leave it to the whiny contrarian 1st world boy with parental rebellion issue to btch like this LOL

How about:

1) Farm/agricultural output that far outpaces rest of the world with only a fraction of the available domestic resources and potential

2) Number of graduates who go on to become leading figures in all corners of world industry by a large margin

3) Greatest number of criminals actually caught as opposed to the rest of the world where at least 9.5/10 you get away scott free with murder, rape, thievery, etc.

4) Largest concentration of wealth and wealthy individual despite all the btching and moaning after they come here to live and send their kids to school here (because US so evil amirite?), and let's not even mention they stash their money here as safer less volatile alternative compared to say fcking china.

5) Best doctors in the world, even with the clunky medical insurance system. When a big shot or celebrity, not to mention anyone with decent means look for expert of experts, they place US as a place of choice 9/10. Besides, if you manage your insurance right, you get what you paid for. Insurance system does not preclude your own responsibility to prepare for contingencies and emergencies that arise on...your own body. Some things are individual responsibilities - managing your insurance accordingly is one of them.

6) Cops who mostly are professional and straight forward (you would know not to btch and moan about cops in US if you ever lived in a real criminal/totalitarian regime), only with exception of worst neighborhoods - even than there is a pretty big gap in 'abuse' and real corruption that rest of the world understand. At least 99.9% of them don't even dream of demanding bribes on traffic stops. Every time some spoiled fool whines about police brutality in US I have to laugh my voice hoarse because of how pathetic and soft they sound. You are all mouth and attitude, no backbone.

7) Contrary to popular misconception, the manufacturing and industrial capacity of US is simply partially unused, not non-existent as many alarmist claim. Even with fractional usage, US still leads the world in aviation manufacturing, heavy machinery production especially in design and research, and now energy and next generation power technology such as shale to begin with. Once again, that's only with fraction of what can be used - this is thanks to economic and profit margin benefits of offshore manufacturing, not the potential of industrial power. Any objective study would recognize these as facts.


You should remember your place instead of thinking how your spoiled 1st world ass can decide what 'corruption' and 'fault' means   Cool



I couldn't have said that better if I said that myself  Wink


~BCX~
legendary
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1) Farm/agricultural output that far outpaces rest of the world with only a fraction of the available domestic resources and potential

If countries such as China and Russia use the cancer infected GM crops in their farms, the output will be higher in those countries also. And don't say that the US possess only a fraction of the available domestic resources. The area of the available farmland in the United States is bigger than the same in China or Russia.
newbie
Activity: 28
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Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane

The overall incarceration rate is way over the average in the United States. Even for the non-Hispanic whites, the rate is much higher when compared to the same in Canada or the United Kingdom. The main reason for this high incarceration rate is the so called "war on drugs". More than a million people are currently incarcerated on drug related offences. And almost none of them are drug lords.

Yep, the United States leads the world in only three categories.

1) Number of incarcerated citizens per capita
2) Number of adults who believe angels are real
3) Defense spending

Leave it to the whiny contrarian 1st world boy with parental rebellion issue to btch like this LOL

How about:

1) Farm/agricultural output that far outpaces rest of the world with only a fraction of the available domestic resources and potential

2) Number of graduates who go on to become leading figures in all corners of world industry by a large margin

3) Greatest number of criminals actually caught as opposed to the rest of the world where at least 9.5/10 you get away scott free with murder, rape, thievery, etc.

4) Largest concentration of wealth and wealthy individual despite all the btching and moaning after they come here to live and send their kids to school here (because US so evil amirite?), and let's not even mention they stash their money here as safer less volatile alternative compared to say fcking china.

5) Best doctors in the world, even with the clunky medical insurance system. When a big shot or celebrity, not to mention anyone with decent means look for expert of experts, they place US as a place of choice 9/10. Besides, if you manage your insurance right, you get what you paid for. Insurance system does not preclude your own responsibility to prepare for contingencies and emergencies that arise on...your own body. Some things are individual responsibilities - managing your insurance accordingly is one of them.

6) Cops who mostly are professional and straight forward (you would know not to btch and moan about cops in US if you ever lived in a real criminal/totalitarian regime), only with exception of worst neighborhoods - even than there is a pretty big gap in 'abuse' and real corruption that rest of the world understand. At least 99.9% of them don't even dream of demanding bribes on traffic stops. Every time some spoiled fool whines about police brutality in US I have to laugh my voice hoarse because of how pathetic and soft they sound. You are all mouth and attitude, no backbone.

7) Contrary to popular misconception, the manufacturing and industrial capacity of US is simply partially unused, not non-existent as many alarmist claim. Even with fractional usage, US still leads the world in aviation manufacturing, heavy machinery production especially in design and research, and now energy and next generation power technology such as shale to begin with. Once again, that's only with fraction of what can be used - this is thanks to economic and profit margin benefits of offshore manufacturing, not the potential of industrial power. Any objective study would recognize these as facts.


You should remember your place instead of thinking how your spoiled 1st world ass can decide what 'corruption' and 'fault' means   Cool
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 513
Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane

The overall incarceration rate is way over the average in the United States. Even for the non-Hispanic whites, the rate is much higher when compared to the same in Canada or the United Kingdom. The main reason for this high incarceration rate is the so called "war on drugs". More than a million people are currently incarcerated on drug related offences. And almost none of them are drug lords.

Yep, the United States leads the world in only three categories.

1) Number of incarcerated citizens per capita
2) Number of adults who believe angels are real
3) Defense spending

lol, i saw that episode of the newsroom as well. Show didn't hold up for me though. 
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane

The overall incarceration rate is way over the average in the United States. Even for the non-Hispanic whites, the rate is much higher when compared to the same in Canada or the United Kingdom. The main reason for this high incarceration rate is the so called "war on drugs". More than a million people are currently incarcerated on drug related offences. And almost none of them are drug lords.

Yep, the United States leads the world in only three categories.

1) Number of incarcerated citizens per capita
2) Number of adults who believe angels are real
3) Defense spending
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 1217
Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane

The overall incarceration rate is way over the average in the United States. Even for the non-Hispanic whites, the rate is much higher when compared to the same in Canada or the United Kingdom. The main reason for this high incarceration rate is the so called "war on drugs". More than a million people are currently incarcerated on drug related offences. And almost none of them are drug lords.
hero member
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....the government used to imprison Blacks and other colored people on cooked up charges, and then used to give them extremely harsh prison sentences.

Sounds just like the US to be honest, the incarceration rate of black americans compared to whites is insane:

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One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html

Leaving race aside, they've got the most prisoners of any developed country in the world; estimated at about 2.4 million (that's disregarding all the secret/black op/prison ships etc).
sr. member
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we do consern about the terror of nervose people or highly ilegal acts but the world and usa are not perfect this might go further and further on if the right power people do not act in good reasons
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
The U.S. isn't tough - it's fucked. It's the one of the worst criminal justice systems in the world and on par with Somalia.

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The United State of America is the only country in the world where children as young as 13 years old have been sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole. 2484 children have been sentenced as adults in the United States. Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) has documented 73 cases where children 13-14 years of ages had been condemned to death in prison. 70% of these children are minority. EJI attorneys had interviewed one Alabama inmate that is serving a life imprisionment for an offense that occurred when he was 15. Since being incarcerated in an adult prison, this boy has been repeatedly raped.  This boy's story is not unusual. Death in prison sentences are imposed in the United States are a rate at least three times higher today than 15 years ago. These children should be re-sentenced to parole-eligible sentences as soon as possible. It is a shame that the United State of America, known to be the land of opportunity and freedom, can be compared in terms of Juvenile Criminal Laws to one of the poorest countries in the word, with civil wars, pirates, and having the worst cases of human's rights violations for their civilians; "Somalia". The United States and Somalia are the only countries in the world with the death sentence for children ages 13,14,15,16,and 17 years old. 132 countries have rejected the death sentence altogether.
legendary
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The US is tough man.  If you are going to fuck around - you gonna pay big time!  Better to just pack up and go to South Africa where getting away with murder is EASY!!!  ...and fun too.

The case with South Africa is different. During the apartheid regime, the government used to imprison Blacks and other colored people on cooked up charges, and then used to give them extremely harsh prison sentences. For example, Nelson Mandela was imprisoned in 1962 for treason, and he spent some 27 years in jail, until he was released as a part of the peace process. Another anti-apartheid activist, Billy Nair served 20 years in prison, from 1964 to 1984. When the ANC got power, they reduced the maximum prison sentences, taking in to account the apartheid era usage of prisons to detain anti-apartheid activists.

Are you smoking crack again?  I was talking about how soft SA is.  You come and say they over sentence.  WTF?  

All I am saying, in some places, you walk for murder like pistorius.  In the US - smoke a joint and the man throws away the key.  Then you come in with the Nelson Mandela shit.  Man - you are fuckn twisted.  

"Blacks and other colored people"  -  good one.

Ross was a dumb mutherfucker for messing with the US.  You don't hide behind a silly tissue curtain and taunt the FBI into finding you.  He deserves life for being so stupid. 
legendary
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The US is tough man.  If you are going to fuck around - you gonna pay big time!  Better to just pack up and go to South Africa where getting away with murder is EASY!!!  ...and fun too.

The case with South Africa is different. During the apartheid regime, the government used to imprison Blacks and other colored people on cooked up charges, and then used to give them extremely harsh prison sentences. For example, Nelson Mandela was imprisoned in 1962 for treason, and he spent some 27 years in jail, until he was released as a part of the peace process. Another anti-apartheid activist, Billy Nair served 20 years in prison, from 1964 to 1984. When the ANC got power, they reduced the maximum prison sentences, taking in to account the apartheid era usage of prisons to detain anti-apartheid activists.

legendary
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Do you, and the other pro-FBI types in this forum realize that the sentence handed out to him was much more severe, when compared to those given to hardcore drug lords who have been dealing with drugs for many decades?
Or even more severe than Oscar Pistorius - who killed a smoking hot girl by blowing her head off while she was taking a dump -

He only got 10 MONTHS

The US is tough man.  If you are going to fuck around - you gonna pay big time!  Better to just pack up and go to South Africa where getting away with murder is EASY!!!  ...and fun too.
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!
legendary
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his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards
probably not.
The five crimes Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, for all of which he pled “not guilty,” include:

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

"computer crime" is probably his smallest problem among them, the drug distribution conviction and criminal enterprise conviction got him the life sentences.

Yeah its not just computer crimes here they have painted him as a columbian drug lord on steriods.  Whatever the appeal gets him off i fear he still may be in prison for life. We'd be better off hoping for massive society change.  I still think supporting ross can help for him and greater change though.
newbie
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his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards
probably not.
The five crimes Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, for all of which he pled “not guilty,” include:

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

"computer crime" is probably his smallest problem among them, the drug distribution conviction and criminal enterprise conviction got him the life sentences.
newbie
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One less flunky to get in bitcoin's way. He fk'd with fire and now his ass is scorched.

Unless you think it's your right to fk around with other people without being fk'd back like a dumbass kid, there is little reason to sympathize.

Let's not btch and bulsht about technicality that allowed attempted murder charges to be dropped. He clearly thought he could act a kingpin boss behind a monitor and is now revealed to be what most of you are when you get called out for your intentions. The fact that he is a pathetic pssy does nothing to mitigate the fact that he was clearly messing above his paygrade.

The fact that most of you are all of a sudden so eager to nitpick and btch about legal technicalities and what is 'fair' when tables are turned tells any sensible individual how pathetic you all are, just like this kid.


Less kids and fools like him, the better. Now, if theymos or others involved in scams and delusional sense of untouchability are prosecuted, we can do away with the infant stage of crypto currency and finally move it all mainstream in a substansive way.  Cheesy
legendary
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Ok, so why is everyone talking about him go to a supermax prison. What are the chances of him going there?

Zero chance.

So it seems that he'll be sent to the Federal Correctional Complex in Petersburg. Lol... isn't this is the same facility where a correction officer was arrested, while trying to smuggle heroin to the inmates? Seems like a pretty cool place. Ross might be able to win some favors, if he can shower money on the correction officers.
legendary
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:^)
Frankly I was expecting a harsh sentence. He was caught with his open laptop, signed in to silk road with admin account. They had all the evidence and logs from his laptop to prove anything they wanted.
It was very clear from the beginning that he couldn't get away with it and teh court will try to set an example out of this case to warn other dark web markets.

If he wasn't caught red-handed, then he could have had bigger chance to get out of it.

I remember reading that he requested from the cops to "call his girlfriend" to watch over his apartment while he was in jail, he ended up opening an app on his phone to encrypt all his data. just something interesting.
full member
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For those asking the judge gave a non-binding recommendation that he go to FCI Petersburg I in Virginia. If the public safety factor is not waived, the judge recommended he go to USP Tuscon in Arizona or USP Colemale II in Florida.

None of these are supermax?
Wikipedia says they are "High Security"



There's is only one so-called supermax facility, which is ADX Florence.


Ok, so why is everyone talking about him go to a supermax prison. What are the chances of him going there?

People are talking about ADX Florence and "supermax," because people are really ignorant on this forum, and aren't really interested in knowing about the law and what's actually going on with Ulbricht's proceedings.

I think there are zero chances of him getting there. He has no history of personal violence and no history of in-prison violence and no prison-based support system (i.e. no prison gang).

So are you a cop or an ex-con?

Neither.
hero member
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Why someone that has not history of violence or and is not at risk of being killed would go straight to solitary Huh

Solitary is meant to be punishment
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