Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 28.

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Quote from: Finchy on June 04, 2015, 03:47:05 AM

Quote from: spud21 on June 03, 2015, 07:40:47 PM

I found this article explaining his sentence and where he will probably do his time.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114463/silk-roads-ross-ulbricht-sentencing-details-revealed

The five crimes Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, for all of which he pled “not guilty,” include:

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

Does anyone actually have details of some of these charges? What did he get accused of hacking and how did he launder the money? From what it seems he pretty much kept all of the proceeds in bitcoin or do they count as anything he bought with them as money laundering?

That article gives a link to the court sentencing document here, although it doesn't give many details.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzdZTHqha9tenltczZPMm4xMUk/view?pli=1

However, the article also gives a link to a first-hand account by someone called Winter, who was present during the trial. I have not had a chance to view the video yet though, so I don't know if it gives many more details.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJMjGLcdtOA&t=48m5s

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Quote from: HarryPotHead on June 03, 2015, 11:12:11 PM

Quote from: futurebit640 on June 03, 2015, 10:06:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance but did he actually sell drugs or simply create a marketplace for drugs to be sold?

Yes he sold mushrooms at least in the early days of the silk road.

OK. So anyone selling shrooms should pe locked up in prison and given life sentence without parole. Grin

No amount of FBI propaganda is going to hide the fact that Ross Ullbricht was imprisoned for daring to stand up to the big three (bankers, pharma and Mexican drug cartels).

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Quote from: bocobit on June 03, 2015, 07:42:33 PM

I predict that Ross will not die in prison. Someone once told me that marijuana would be legalized in our lifetime. Seemed far out at the time but it has happened and will continue to happen across the country. Just a prediction but I think that Ross will be pardoned down the road.

What does the prediction of Cannabis legalization have to do with Ross being freed? He sold more than cannabis.

Quote from: futurebit640 on June 03, 2015, 10:06:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance but did he actually sell drugs or simply create a marketplace for drugs to be sold?

He facilitated the mass sale of them and reaped the financial rewards.

Quote from: spud21 on June 03, 2015, 07:40:47 PM

I found this article explaining his sentence and where he will probably do his time.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114463/silk-roads-ross-ulbricht-sentencing-details-revealed

The five crimes Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, for all of which he pled “not guilty,” include:

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

Does anyone actually have details of some of these charges? What did he get accused of hacking and how did he launder the money? From what it seems he pretty much kept all of the proceeds in bitcoin or do they count as anything he bought with them as money laundering?

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Quote from: futurebit640 on June 03, 2015, 10:06:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance but did he actually sell drugs or simply create a marketplace for drugs to be sold?

Yes he sold mushrooms at least in the early days of the silk road.

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Forgive my ignorance but did he actually sell drugs or simply create a marketplace for drugs to be sold?

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 03, 2015, 08:00:00 PM

Quote from: bocobit on June 03, 2015, 07:42:33 PM

I predict that Ross will not die in prison. Someone once told me that marijuana would be legalized in our lifetime. Seemed far out at the time but it has happened and will continue to happen across the country. Just a prediction but I think that Ross will be pardoned down the road.

Check what he was actually convicted of

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

There's a good chance everyone will be able to get as stoned as they like wherever they like in the coming years. None of those conviction have a great deal to do with that.

Wait Ross Ulbricht ran which website again? Which products brought the majority of revenue? I must be on the wrong thread

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Quote from: bocobit on June 03, 2015, 07:42:33 PM

I predict that Ross will not die in prison. Someone once told me that marijuana would be legalized in our lifetime. Seemed far out at the time but it has happened and will continue to happen across the country. Just a prediction but I think that Ross will be pardoned down the road.

Check what he was actually convicted of

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

There's a good chance everyone will be able to get as stoned as they like wherever they like in the coming years. None of those conviction have a great deal to do with that.

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I predict that Ross will not die in prison. Someone once told me that marijuana would be legalized in our lifetime. Seemed far out at the time but it has happened and will continue to happen across the country. Just a prediction but I think that Ross will be pardoned down the road.

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Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

I doubt it, the US gov wants to set "an example" of Ross to try and deter future darkmarkets from eating into their supply chain. Agreed his sentence is insane by any standards, mass murderers have probably got more lenient sentences. Shit even Chilean war criminals have been allowed to live freely in America yet some kid with a laptop gets life behind bars...

I don't think his appeal will be successful either. They caught him red handed and he admitted to some of it.

Is there any news about which prison they have sent him to yet?

What category is it, and how harsh are the conditions? I don't even know here they were holding him while he was awaiting the trial.

I read somewhere he was being sent to ADX Florence Supermax, the harshest prison in the country. Probably going to be passing notes to the Unabomber. Solitary confinement for life

I found this article explaining his sentence and where he will probably do his time.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114463/silk-roads-ross-ulbricht-sentencing-details-revealed

The five crimes Ross Ulbricht was convicted of, for all of which he pled “not guilty,” include:

Aiding and Abetting Distribution of Drugs
Continuing Criminal Enterprise
Computer hacking Conspiracy
Fraud with Identification Documents
Money Laundering Conspiracy

It says he will be sent to FCI Petersburg I in Virginia if he is not deemed to be a “public safety factor” risk.

FCI Petersburg I is a lower security prison. If he is deemed a “public safety factor” risk he will be sent to USP Tuscon in Arizona or USP Coleman II “as a second choice,” in Florida.

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on June 03, 2015, 07:08:28 PM

Quote from: Cryddit on June 03, 2015, 07:01:57 PM

Right. He goes to jail. He goes directly to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect 200 bitcoins.

And good fucking riddance.

I do sort of feel bad for the guy. Federal prisons in the US are harsher than some third-world prisons, and the treatment of prisoners is sometimes unconstitutionally harsh. But that's a different issue.

EVERYBODY is better off with him in jail. Consider that Silk Road was not just drugs. It was also arms deals that contributed to gang warfare, religious jihad, and criminal murder. It was also extortion payments, slave sales to and by pimps including sales of underage girls for use as prostitutes, and transfers of money to jihadists and other damned murderers.

This was all going on through his website, as well as him putting out a murder-for-hire contract? He is exactly the sort of person that the nation has the right and duty to separate from society for the sake of the welfare of all its citizens.

As far as Bitcoin is concerned, these are growing pains. Give the Lions a bit of time to adjust to the new technology, and you're going to see crooks getting busted absolutely regardless of whether they're using bitcoin. And that's the way it needs to be.

But without him Bitcoin would never have gotten off the ground. No Slashdot article. No Galker article. No influx of idealistic young people coming to this forum fascinated by the idea of this anonymous money that lets you buy drugs online. He made Bitcoin what it is today.

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Quote from: Cryddit on June 03, 2015, 07:01:57 PM

Right. He goes to jail. He goes directly to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect 200 bitcoins.

And good fucking riddance.

I do sort of feel bad for the guy. Federal prisons in the US are harsher than some third-world prisons, and the treatment of prisoners is sometimes unconstitutionally harsh. But that's a different issue.

EVERYBODY is better off with him in jail. Consider that Silk Road was not just drugs. It was also arms deals that contributed to gang warfare, religious jihad, and criminal murder. It was also extortion payments, slave sales to and by pimps including sales of underage girls for use as prostitutes, and transfers of money to jihadists and other damned murderers.

This was all going on through his website, as well as him putting out a murder-for-hire contract? He is exactly the sort of person that the nation has the right and duty to separate from society for the sake of the welfare of all its citizens.

As far as Bitcoin is concerned, these are growing pains. Give the Lions a bit of time to adjust to the new technology, and you're going to see crooks getting busted absolutely regardless of whether they're using bitcoin. And that's the way it needs to be.

But without him Bitcoin would never have gotten off the ground. No Slashdot article. No Galker article. No influx of idealistic young people coming to this forum fascinated by the idea of this anonymous money that lets you buy drugs online. He made Bitcoin what it is today.

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Right. He goes to jail. He goes directly to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect 200 bitcoins.

And good fucking riddance.

I do sort of feel bad for the guy. Federal prisons in the US are harsher than some third-world prisons, and the treatment of prisoners is sometimes unconstitutionally harsh. But that's a different issue.

EVERYBODY is better off with him in jail. Consider that Silk Road was not just drugs. It was also arms deals that contributed to gang warfare, religious jihad, and criminal murder. It was also extortion payments, slave sales to and by pimps including sales of underage girls for use as prostitutes, and transfers of money to jihadists and other damned murderers.

This was all going on through his website, as well as him putting out a murder-for-hire contract? He is exactly the sort of person that the nation has the right and duty to separate from society for the sake of the welfare of all its citizens.

As far as Bitcoin is concerned, these are growing pains. Give the Lions a bit of time to adjust to the new technology, and you're going to see crooks getting busted absolutely regardless of whether they're using bitcoin. And that's the way it needs to be.

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Quote from: Bitware on June 03, 2015, 06:24:45 PM

For an appeal to be successful, the defense has to prove reversible error from the previous court. What needs to be concentrated on is what the court did wrong, ruled wrong on, or if they violated the defendants rights in some manner. Severity of sentence is not reversible error, because the sentence was within the sentencing guidelines.

I'm sure he'll have an appeal and try to argue that agents involved in the case were not impartial because they stole Bitcoins. Nevertheless they caught him with his laptop open and logged into the silk road as admin. There is no way he can argue he wan't heavily involved in it despite the corrupt agents.

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Quote from: spud21 on June 03, 2015, 05:07:23 PM

Quote from: newflesh on June 03, 2015, 04:59:37 PM

Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

I doubt it, the US gov wants to set "an example" of Ross to try and deter future darkmarkets from eating into their supply chain. Agreed his sentence is insane by any standards, mass murderers have probably got more lenient sentences. Shit even Chilean war criminals have been allowed to live freely in America yet some kid with a laptop gets life behind bars...

I don't think his appeal will be successful either. They caught him red handed and he admitted to some of it.

Is there any news about which prison they have sent him to yet?

What category is it, and how harsh are the conditions? I don't even know here they were holding him while he was awaiting the trial.

I read somewhere he was being sent to ADX Florence Supermax, the harshest prison in the country. Probably going to be passing notes to the Unabomber. Solitary confinement for life

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For an appeal to be successful, the defense has to prove reversible error from the previous court. What needs to be concentrated on is what the court did wrong, ruled wrong on, or if they violated the defendants rights in some manner. Severity of sentence is not reversible error, because the sentence was within the sentencing guidelines.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 03, 2015, 04:43:11 PM

Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

No one was ever disappointed by overestimating the wrath of the US justice machine.

Maybe it was because of multiple instances. I'm guessing there will be an appeal.

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Quote from: newflesh on June 03, 2015, 04:59:37 PM

Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

I doubt it, the US gov wants to set "an example" of Ross to try and deter future darkmarkets from eating into their supply chain. Agreed his sentence is insane by any standards, mass murderers have probably got more lenient sentences. Shit even Chilean war criminals have been allowed to live freely in America yet some kid with a laptop gets life behind bars...

I don't think his appeal will be successful either. They caught him red handed and he admitted to some of it.

Is there any news about which prison they have sent him to yet?

What category is it, and how harsh are the conditions? I don't even know here they were holding him while he was awaiting the trial.

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Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

I doubt it, the US gov wants to set "an example" of Ross to try and deter future darkmarkets from eating into their supply chain. Agreed his sentence is insane by any standards, mass murderers have probably got more lenient sentences. Shit even Chilean war criminals have been allowed to live freely in America yet some kid with a laptop gets life behind bars...

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Quote from: fatguyyyyy on June 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM

his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

No one was ever disappointed by overestimating the wrath of the US justice machine.

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his sentence will most likely be overturned on appeal .. life in prison for a computer crime is absurd even by draconian US standards

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