Topic: Sinbad.io Mixer - secure, fast and easy to use (Read 8207 times)

Bitcointalk.org is not a darknet site. Linking to illegal services is not allowed. As mentioned in the law-enforcement press release, "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal." But a seized mixer is rather different from just any old mixer. Sinbad, if still operating, is now clearly a darknet site, and therefore not allowed on bitcointalk.org.

The OP is banned. This topic is archived. The onion address is wordfiltered, and bypassing the wordfilter will get you banned.

I was referring to the potential sinbad.io hack. If they are not seized, that is the only explanation for why they have this current page on his site.


I have already expressed my suspicion that the person from the FIDO account has been present on the forum since before because he obviously knows very well how things work here. For example, immediately after creating an account, a copper membership was purchased (paid in Bitcoin). Newbies often don't act like that.

Why are you surprized? They didn't catch anyone, it's just a site take down, now they will be back operating as usual.

You are right. It also raises some questions about the events that happened yesterday.

If the service was not seized, then why was a FIDO account running around posting a takedown banner? And also the press releases.

If the service was indeed seized, then, frankly, what the hell is going on? A reboot of the service off of some codebase is happening? There are so many questions.

Edit: I keep writing "FIDO", it's actually FIOD, my bad

A hack on fiod.nl and treasury.gov?

I'm pretty sure they don't publish third party press releases.

Some twisted things are going on here. They left a similar update on the Telegram channel, but they denied that the service was seized. Is it possible that it is a hack? If so, why did certain authorities immediately publish this news?

Wondering about this when I stumbled upon it yesterday, I got curious because the finding is rather shallow for an inter-governmental investigation. Two emails and two addresses, both info can be easily unearthed by anyone strolling around in, perhaps, less than an hour. The escrow address was practically being published every week during campaign update, and I am somewhat sure the two emails are what's listed on SinBad's website, the "adv" and "support". I don't think it should be a finding worth mentioning by a joint-country investigations.

And then I looked at the press release by two of the govt.'s official website and AFAIK, none actually mentioned these email and wallet addresses. The article mentioned OFAC designate these addresses, banning US citizens and everyone from interacting with these addresses. But in OFAC's own press release, there is no mention of this. The closest is this passage, with still no specific mention of the addresses:


I think what happens here was the Journalist trying to make a situation looks more serious and dire. He derived the information from the press release, took a quick search of SinBad's available "property", and wrote them like what we read now.

Holy shit!

He's still around! 

In this case, there is also not an extensive and detailed report as there was in the case of CM. Also, I did not find anywhere that any amount of Bitcoin was confiscated, only two addresses were marked and that with relatively small amounts.


I don't think they care about things here, trust ratings, signature campaigns or anything. The account was created only to present certain information and will probably no longer be active.
Although I am quite convinced that the person who wrote those posts from that account, is not the first time on Bitcointalk. I'm quite surprised by the promptness with which they informed us that they had seized someone's website.

It's offline, unlike CM's .onion, which was seized. That's a big difference.

Allow me to post selective quotes (read the whole article for the full context):
That's just to prevent them from joining a signature campaign later
Seriously though: 2 of the 3 negatives are for "impersonating". That can be clarified with one small text file.

The only alternative is an impersonator with impeccable timing. That's not very likely.

Unlikely. The account was created 2.5 hours before fiod.nl published this article, and posted about it 6 minutes after publication.

Food must be a very strong motivator
Seriously though: that's not so hard to believe. Same for Iran. Most hackers have to fear prosecution. State hackers don't have that problem.

Hello everyone
I will make an official announcement soon,please wait

Whoever made this graphics, really made my day. I couldn't imagine if they'd use aqua and purple colors on left and right sides from the simbad.io's user interface color palette.

He is just a troll who is trying to scare people.

The difference is that Blockchain Analyses companies are improving every day. So have mixers to do in order to survive.

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By the way, this Lazarus Group is so amazing. People from North Korea, where one among 100000 rarely has access on computer and internet, manage to create a group that plays with the USA like cat plays with mouse. Lazarus group is a fictional character created by the US to catch whoever they don't like. For me it looks like they are fighting against privacy with fictional reasons.

If that is the case and they knew what's coming, does this also means that the put the site down deliberately and thought that they will come back again once the dust settles.

Or perhaps they were in negotiations with the law enforcement departments and when they reach to no consensus, eventually they were seized. I know it's just assumptions of what could have happened, the fact is that SinBad is no more, Leaving a lot of questions of which mixers we can trust  

Yes, I agree too. Will they be here and start monitoring mixer activity?

btw, the account immediately had 3 neg trust 

I'm pretty sure that's a government-controlled account and will basically never post casually to random people like us 

Please... This is nothing more like an announcement of the OFAC listing and by it's no means detailed. By detailed I mean something like this: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download


Because of bad security practices, probably even worse than Chipmixer's operator had. Having some basic security considerations like proxying your end server via clearnet reverse-proxies over Tor to avoid the whole operation seized is something that even a beginner .onion site operator would know to do. There is no excuse for someone operating a mixer to have their core (backend) server seized as there are many ways to hide it from cybercrime investigations even without recurring to offshore hosting. Having a few servers and basic network routing skills would be enough to prevent this.

Being sanctioned by OFAC shouldn't mean end of world to some serious project like a mixer, especially when it was already expected if you are aware of recent mixer criminalization announced in USA and aware of historical timeline related to other mixers.

Such events just show how some mixer operators neglect security of their users and operations, that's all. If they cared enough, they wouldn't be seized that easily by the law enforcement.

Law enforcement agents who work on cybercrime are not some kind of gods, they are mere humans with knowledge+training in espionage and some extra powers to request information on certain resources on the Internet. They are pretty avoidable by having some certain itsec+opsec expertise, which is required for a mixer operator in my opinion. But now we are at some absurd point where we have some mixers here who offer their service via Telegram bots, which is unbelievable and absolutely ridiculous, considering that someone with expertise in security would know that Telegram bots are not end-to-end encrypted giving permission to anyone who works for Telegram extracting all the chat logs and providing to LE. And what is more ridiculous is that there are reputable members here who trust such services being completely unaware of the consequences. Some of your favorite mixers here are literally feeding you to LE.

Well, this is not what I expected, but unfortunately, mixers are always the target of investigation, so this is not completely unexpected. It's a bit strange to me if it's really the same team behind Sinbad, as it was behind Blender, why they weren't more anonymous this time, that is, why they didn't use the domain and hosting via offshore countries. I don't see that any amount of Bitcoin was confiscated from them, only some addresses were recognized, so I believe that the same team will return for the third time with a new name.


Honestly, I interpret this as their honourable move, they did not want to deceive anyone. Of course, if they knew about this outcome earlier, they still decided to be honest to the end.
Also, their latest activity on telegram is part of the support and solving of the mixing issue of one user.

It's not the first time that a service like Sinbad has been seized by a government, and the current situation is a bit unusual. For instance, if you check the Sinbad Telegram channel in the Russian language, on November 27th at 17:45 (GMT+3), the channel owner posted a message that roughly translates to: "Dear users, the service is temporarily closed for upgrades; we will notify you of the relaunch date later." This is the last message posted in the Russian channel.

So, what does this mean? It could imply that they became aware of impending issues as early as November 27th and were attempting to transfer their assets to another wallet before potential government seizure. The owner of the channel might just be an operator responsible for responding to users in both the Russian and English channels.

However, when you check the English channel, the last message was posted on November 29th at 17:40 (GMT+3), suggesting that the operator is still active. This raises two possible scenarios:

1. They might have temporarily lost access to their servers, both on the Tor network and the clearnet, and there's a possibility they will return once the issues are resolved.

2. On the other hand, it's also possible that Sinbad will never return. The lack of updates could indicate a serious problem, possibly involving the arrest of some of the project's technical team members.

Many members are likely wondering why the operator, who is apparently still active on Telegram, hasn't shared any information or provided updates regarding the current situation. It raises questions about why they don't communicate something like, "Dear members, our servers and domains have been seized, but we will return soon with a new domain and service."

The fact that the operator is online but remaining silent could suggest a lack of communication with the leadership of Sinbad. This silence leaves members wondering about the whereabouts and status of the leader. Perhaps, we'll soon find out more through news reports or other sources.

Here is the detailed announcement:

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933

The only difference with Chipmixer though is that the authorities are very quick to take action against Sinbad.io. Chipmixer was able to be under the radar for many years, maybe 5-6 years before it was seized.

But Sinbad was just a year old exchange if I'm not mistaken.

And for those who are awake right now and part of the campaign, majority of them have removed their signatures already.

I just read this and I will be ending my advertisement for them.

BTW one likes to see hackers get caught and the real issue is how does one ever have privacy must

we always expose every detail of out financials all the time.

I can see part of what happens is to stop 'bad' guys but most of what gets done by the gov is hurtful

to the regular guy.


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