Topic: Slot Games' RTP, variable?? - page 3. (Read 1259 times)

Always everything that is teaching and learning for me is something welcome, especially for slots, for a high RTP I have realized that the rewards are not that high, but a low RTP yes, so there are many things that we Sometimes as ignorant players, at first, I didn't even know what RTP was, or what that number was like? sometimes I went in and saw that number but I didn't care, I thought it was a slot code to identify it inside the casino or something similar, I never thought it was something to identify, these things are what make it more favorable and more entertaining of the game, the more you know about something, it will always be very good.

 If there is no a maximum theorical cap for winnings hit, it can affect negatively the (medium returns), or those average or medium wins that allows you to play and wager higher amount than your bance..

 The fact that an unlimited win can really occur mean also that you can place unlimited amounts without any win..

 
 Let me give you an example.. For the game "Sweet Bonanza" for example, as they say:



 Additionally to that, during the bonus rounds hitting 3 or more lollipops give you an extra 5 free spins.. so it can continue indefinitely
 so each and both the facts points to that there is no a maximum possible win !



 
  For the calculation, if we take for example a random number generator, and consider just the one digit number on the right.. then the probability to get each digit at this position is 1 per 10.... then the probability calculus is here, but there is still chance, or possibility to get one or ever more digits never drawn at this position.. !












 I tried to recover the thread.. but it is dated from about three years of now, I will give it another try..
 
 He have get that on some game related to (Olympus gods), and I think that could maybe was a Pragmatic game as he posted a reply of his win.  he was playing at $3 single bet ( or $30 ), and he get constant bonuses activated during the bonus round.. this like till hitting a very huge amount.
 
 I remember at the end, LoyceV asked him how he accepted to renounce and accept the small "consolation" amount they give him, but he didn't respond.



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I don't understand how winning additional bonus rounds can lead to burning your balance. Please explain.

As for the RTP of those slots where you can win an unlimited amount of free spins(I actually think it's limited at a certain number), I think all those wins will be taken into account when regulators/auditors carry out verification of whether the stated RTP is equal to the real one.


This is an interesting story, I didn't read it. It must a really huge amount if even 10% of that was paid in several installments. Can you share a link?

 That's remind me of those slot games with no (maximum hit),
correct me if I'm wrong, but belonging to the RTPs indicated.. the fact/possibility that you can hit some bonus rounds and continue to theorically win unlimited amount is/will surely affecting the regular or (middle) returns on those games !!
 /and can lead to burning your balance in no time!


Thats remind me also of an user that won a very huge amount on a slot game and the casino just locked his account.. (he created a topic here on the forum about that).. after negotiating with the casino he accepted to get paid of an amount equivalent to something like just 10% the amount he won maybe (I don't remember exactly) and in addition repartited in several instalments !

It depends on how many spins you do per your slots session. If it's around a hundred spins, it's practically impossible for all of them to be not winning at least something.


Yes, losing everything all the time is definitely not normal. Betting with little money is a good way to prolong your session without losing all your balance, and you also can hit something great along the way. My personal record so far is 934x of my bet



But I'm sure you can beat it. After all, it all depends on luck, and wish you good luck, my friend!

But remember, you should not risk more money than you can afford to lose. Apart from a chance of winning big, there's always a chance of losing all your balance, so, keep that in mind.

Interesting, actually a thread that makes you think positively really have meaning. If you are not educated through the thread, i think the best thing you should do is to make a research concerning what you don't know, because i believe that making research it will makes you determine totally to know what you don't no through your determination, and i believe that it has gone and it has gone forever, so therefore education those notes end with someone opinion at least you will make your own findings

How did you achieve such an experience? I can't believe that you have such a good level in slots, I'm honest, it's the worst for me in slots, it seems impressive to me that every time I play, I lose everything, I don't think that's something normal, it is that yes I bet with little money too, but I have seen in threads that there are teragamoneds bettors who win a lot with little, is that true according to your experience? seeing that you have all that experience, do you know a lot about RTP, and the value you speak of is very true, if then the RTP is high, then the profits are lower? something like that I understood, but it seems to me that it is somewhat confusing.

You're probably right, but I was talking about my experience with slots of high and low RTP. Hit ratio is something similar to slot volatility, no? On low volatility slots hit rates are higher, but, on average, you are getting lower payouts on your hits. On high volatility slots you are rewarded less frequently, but you can get some really big wins(my favourite kind of slots).

And you are right, my experience is surprising, but that's how I feel. Maybe it's just because of my expectations, when after playing high volatility slots I expect much higher hit ratio on low volatility ones than I'm getting in reality.

I am a retired gambling professional and also gamble myself, so both A lot of info I know, but there quite a few casinos that publish the info like this. Google Coolbet, that's a fiat casino, in their casino section they have an RTP calculator where they cover those things and to my experience that info is correct. Btw, in many cases it is not 100% of games that are adjustable, but rather some, though usually the list is quite long. No idea about Hacksaw and and Onetouch unfortunately. Just a guess, I'd say those guys have no way to adjust RTP, but that's not for sure. Onetouch is a sister company to Bitcasino.io and these guys have rather been transparent for many years. Hacksaw for long time catered their games via Relax and Relaxs does not allow to adjust RTP. Now they are going direct integrations as well, so I am not entirely sure.

That's a very interesting and accurate list but how did you find those figures? It's something you've found yourself by playing at different casinos, or it comes from private datas for professional only? It's very surprising to learn there are providers offering up to 8 RTP variants. I guessed it was 2 or 3 variants at most.

You have no data for Hacksaw and OneTouch btw? Because ultraBTC has posted a list of providers offering only one single RTP above and those two providers don't appear there either.

there are casinos that publish this data, also often can be found in games rules and there other sometimes peculiar methods, for example:

Book of Dead, playngo:

Stake - 96%
Roobet - 94%
Duelbits - 96%
Bitcasino - 96%
Winz - 96%
Betfury - 96%
Punt - 96%

Maybe this could be of help. This does not cover all games producers, but still...

Playngo: up to 6 RTP Variants between 99% – 84%
Pragmatic Play: almost all games up to 5 RTP Variants between 96% – 87%.
Red Tiger: almost all games up to 5 RTP Variants between 98% – 90%
Nolimit City: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 94%
Spinomenal: almost all games 4 RTP Variants 96% – 89%
Habanero: almost all games up to 4 RTP Variants between 98% – 92%
Swintt: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 95% – 92%
isoftBet: almost all games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 92%
Push Gaming: several games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 95%
Netent: many games up to 8 RTP Variants between 99% – 90%
Microgaming: several games 3 RTP Variants: 96% – 92%
Blueprint: a few games 2 RTP Variants: 96% & 94%
Quickspin: a few Games 3 RTP Variants between 96% – 90%
Thunderkick:  One game 2 RTP Variants: 96% & % 94%
ELK: Can't be adjusted
Yggdrasil: Can't be adjusted

Your experience is surprising because when the hit ratio is low it's very quickly noticeable for the players usually. Quicker than a low RTP IMO. Actually I think I made one of my biggest losses on a slot with a high RTP but a small hit ratio (5%), I didn't pay attention to its hit ratio, and I started to play with a rather large stake because I thought it was safe to play on a slot with such a high RTP. Unfortunately I encountered long losing streaks that wiped out my balance before I managed to bring my PnL anywhere near 70% RTP at any time.

 Anyway, atributing a certain amount/bankroll to risk for playing, for a difference of 2% between 98%RTP and 96%RTP for example is (mathematically/probably) two times less for playing.. !

I'll say from my own experience. I play different slots with various RTP, including Mega Moolah with 88% RTP seeing it like buying a lottery ticket, and, with the exception of Mega Moolah, I have never felt the difference. I mean, high volatility slots still providing you with small wins, and the frequency of those wins are often higher than on low volatility slots. Just recently I lost almost 20 bets in a row on a low volatility slot. This never happened to me when I was playing Money Train 2, and I played that slot a lot.

Well, sometimes if the casinos change the RTP constantly, it is something that I do not know if they do it according to what the slot provider recommends, I know that this is something very much theirs, and that a provider says that it is the best for them and when they can be willing to lose, however I have thought that this is an issue that does have a lot to do with the different types of slots, although it sounds a bit strange, I feel that the Pragamatic play style slots I feel that I have more lucky to win, even though I'm not looking to win but to be entertained, but if I've noticed that a lot, in fact some casinos have their apparent RTP in their slots at the bottom.

 Again, those things are very depending on some others factors.. with a game with very low hit ratio and high volatility, you can lose consequently huge balance without winning a single bet, losing bet after bet till the end..
 but mathematically, the expectation is to lose your balance twice as fast playing a game with 96%RTP that playing with 98%PTP !

 Some casinos can provide games with very hight RTP and in the same time choose to not for some games or they simply do not provide them.. that is because of the payment structure, in some games you can get huge profits relatively quite quickly, so and then stop playing.. so and then if there is not lot of attendance on the game on the casino itself, the casino can choose to not endorse the benefit/risk ratio!

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 About feeling a difference not,
 Imagine you playing one of those games with very high volatility and low hit ratio, events that equalizing your bance or recovering some of your bets is occurring just with those some rare decent wins or hitting bonus rounds,, then you have practically two times less chances to hit good wins.. and you can burst your balance practically two times more quickly!

Indeed, to feel a 2% difference in RTP one have to make millions of bets. It's important for gambling sites and providers, but not so much to us, regular gamblers. Overall I think looking for a slot with lower RTP is pointless, you can lose all your balance playing a slot with 99% RTP, and you can win a lot playing Mega Moolah with 88% RTP. If you had a united army of many thousands of bettors, it would matter for you, but for an individual player it doesn't.

 @danadc
 There is very good blog about these here
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59833321


It is very depending on what is available from the games providers, and not all providers are doing the same way.. some providers allow to just not display the RTP on the games informations. For some game there is three different  RTP levels, For some it almost self-evident that there is only one rtp version existing.
 For some, casinos can just choose to not provide them..

 And it is also question of payment structure.. for exemple for a game that can pay decent profits quite frequently casinos could not adopt it or not adopt a (relatively) high rtp version of it!





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Casinos love slots players, that's their bread and butter. Most large jackpots will take forever to hit and in most cases the casino has long gotten their money.