Slot Games' RTP, variable?? - page 4.

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Quote from: Danydee on October 04, 2022, 02:49:43 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 04, 2022, 01:51:29 AM

If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - ...

If you're gambling several hours each day you're no longer able to see anything !

It is not a problem for some men, i even know such a man. I always say that there is no one recipe for everybody. I can answer you in common - that is how i answered before. Or i can tell my opinion for my type of gambling.
For me 2% difference of RTP - doesn`t matter. I gamble mostly for 20-30 minutes and with small sums - i don`t see if i lose $1-2 more.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 04, 2022, 01:51:29 AM

If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - ...

If you're gambling several hours each day you're no longer able to see anything !

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Quote from: Danydee on October 03, 2022, 03:07:35 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 03, 2022, 02:55:59 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 30, 2022, 12:05:33 PM

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

If you`re gambling just for fun - 1-2 times a week for example - you don`t see the difference. If you`re gambling several hours per day and every day for a long time - 2 percent becomes a significant difference.
If you gambling for $100 - you get difference just $2. If you gambling for $10.000 it becomes $200. Percent the same, but sum differs.

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Quote from: ultraBTC on February 20, 2022, 06:00:32 PM

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Some of the providers that actually have ONE fix RTP version of the game(s) are:

Big Time Gaming
Relax Gaming
YGGDRASIL
Elk Studios
Iron Dog Studios
Nextgen Gaming
Kalamba Games
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Where did you get that info? It's very interesting to me. Can you share, please?

Quote from: ultraBTC on February 20, 2022, 06:00:32 PM

~ In the case that games are hosted on different servers (not official servers of the game provider), then those are "fake" slots, and yes, anything can happen. Here I am talking about industry software providers (Pragmatic, Microgaming, BTG, NLC....etc).

But reputable gambling sites don't do such things, right?

Quote from: Eureka_07 on February 21, 2022, 05:41:29 AM

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To add, if I'm not mistaken, online casinos' RTP on both DEMO and ACTUAL slot can be different, in which they add more RTP on the DEMO mode. Not sure if it's absolutely true, my experience on both gambling with real money and playing demo modes, in demo, I'm winning a lot. So I guess it is somewhat true.

This is certainly not true. Regulators would shut down such site/provider immediately.

Also, form my personal experience, I can't say the payouts in DEMO mode is higher than they are in real mode.

I read somewhere (I think it was Wired, but I can't find the article now) that slot providers can change RTP of their slots for promo reasons on a grand scale. Not just 2%-3%, the difference we are talking about, but increasing the RTP to something like 150% for some time. But it's still a mystery to me whether it happens or not in reality.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 03, 2022, 02:55:59 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 30, 2022, 12:05:33 PM

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

So in your opinion, in general do a variation/difference of 2 percent is perceptible or not perceptible! ??

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 30, 2022, 12:05:33 PM

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

Different casinos have different RTP, you`re right, but the difference is small enough to feel it if you gambling less than a month i think. And it is possible that in one casino you feel that you win more often than in another but i think that the most times it is just luck and when you`d gamble for a month - you`d not see any difference if RTP in these casinos is the same.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on September 30, 2022, 12:05:33 PM

I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

That's the fact, providers are been making available different RTP versions for the casinos for many many games.. sometimes with huge difference between the highest and the lowest version! Most of time you can verify this in the game on the game informations, but for some providers there is option to not show the RTP!

I think there is been some games that have no different RTP versions, like: ("Sweet Bonanza" Pragmatic and "Guns n Roses" from NETENT.)
My guess is while for the first is question of reputation regarding to the popularity of the game, for the second is maybe due to some clauses of the contract made with the (Guns n Roses) band !!

Sometimes while using the search you can see a casino holding both versions of a same game:

Quote from: Danydee on April 09, 2022, 10:17:55 PM

Searching for a game, and guess what !?
I literally found two versions of it, maybe could think that is just a displaying bug, but:

After looking on games infos of each version it is been confirmed

Here the lowered version is called "DX1" !

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I feel like you can see the difference from casino to casino if playing the same game. I'll notice a bonus hits more often on xxx site vs another. I could be complately fucked in the head and just be seeing what I want to see, but i'm pretty sure casinos can request different rtps.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 30, 2022, 12:44:32 AM

I have seen many casino players, that before playing the first thing they investigate is the RTP offered by the slots,

You found me just reflecting about this point,, I think in addition to a first RTP verification, you should verify it regularly "on the game", (I been experienced) sometimes casinos start forwarding to a different (lower) RTP version without notice and even without making update of the RTP announced on the casino description !

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Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 17, 2022, 06:00:14 AM

Ps - All money wagered goes into the casino's bankroll..

Ok, thank you

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

The information on this is very confidential between the casino and the 3rd party service provider, so you will not get "clear" answers on that. Logic says that they enter into a contractual agreement to take a percentage of the profits made on those Slots and that they have some kind of "hire" agreement in place... with options to change the RTP.

It is a myth that the RTP and Variance are being changed on the fly, but we know different casinos can run the same Slot on different RTP, so you will have to do some research to see which Slot is running what RTP to improve your odds. (Note it will be 1 or 2 percent at best, so it does not make a world of difference) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 17, 2022, 01:00:58 PM

Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

I think most of the time, slot game providers' remuneration depends on the job they have done with the casino operator. If it is a house game, most likely, casino will pay the developers/providers a one time payment.
On the other hand, I think providers like Pragmatic, NetEnt, YGGDRASIL, etc. are bound to get percentage based from the revenue that the slot has made.
I don't think casino will offer fixed rates (per time unit) for the provider, just imagine if the game does not became popular to their players and close to no one is playing it. So, I think percentage basis is what casino thinks are the best for themselves.

Yes, that means that mostly the RTP is part of what the casino assigns, I have seen many casino players, that before playing the first thing they investigate is the RTP offered by the slots, and one of the best I have Seen is the one from stake.com and bitcasino.io, really when you play you feel that they have more chance to win, but in my personal opinion due to my experience, it is not much but something I have learned is that in Pragmatic Play slots I have more options to win, I don't know if it's because I like them more or because I see more things, but I do win more, more with those that are from the gods of Olympus.

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Quote from: danadc on September 25, 2022, 02:42:39 PM

Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 03:44:09 PM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 17, 2022, 01:00:58 PM

Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

I think most of the time, slot game providers' remuneration depends on the job they have done with the casino operator. If it is a house game, most likely, casino will pay the developers/providers a one time payment.
On the other hand, I think providers like Pragmatic, NetEnt, YGGDRASIL, etc. are bound to get percentage based from the revenue that the slot has made.
I don't think casino will offer fixed rates (per time unit) for the provider, just imagine if the game does not became popular to their players and close to no one is playing it. So, I think percentage basis is what casino thinks are the best for themselves.

Ok,

That is comforting my guesses ..

So while I playing a game I've played a lot before, I noticed many clear indications that the game could be rigged ! And that's in differents casinos.

So I think maybe the provider could make like that some aggressive shots to cumulate high benefits!

How did you notice that? For a game as difficult to understand as slots, it is strange that a pattern is established, if you say that a slot game is fixed, what are the tools that you used? I ask because one of the casino games that I least trust is slots, because the possibility of losing is stronger than winning, and if you win it is very little, unless they have a large multiplier.

I have seen many slots, from providers, but based on your experience, which ones do you think have a better chance of being more fair or winning? I can not understand the logic of a slot machine, it is very difficult, you can lose up to 100 times in a row and it is not considered an advantage.

Justly that's a very strange thing, while playing ("Book of darkness" from betsoft) on differents casinos, (but from the same browser). Recently, when getting the "free spins feature", there is expanding symbols feature.. and it is of course paying higher rates for the rarest symbols as the characters and the items! and so the symbols "Q, A, K" are at the lowest rates..

The weird thing is that while getting a (common) symbol ("K, Q, A") selected, during the free spins is the rarest symbols that are drawn/rolled.. that could be put down to the hasard if it was just few times!
but that being systematical.. imagine you playing a slot game, and is the rarest symbols that instead sre rolled, more and more, roll after roll !!

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Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 03:44:09 PM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 17, 2022, 01:00:58 PM

Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

I think most of the time, slot game providers' remuneration depends on the job they have done with the casino operator. If it is a house game, most likely, casino will pay the developers/providers a one time payment.
On the other hand, I think providers like Pragmatic, NetEnt, YGGDRASIL, etc. are bound to get percentage based from the revenue that the slot has made.
I don't think casino will offer fixed rates (per time unit) for the provider, just imagine if the game does not became popular to their players and close to no one is playing it. So, I think percentage basis is what casino thinks are the best for themselves.

Ok,

That is comforting my guesses ..

So while I playing a game I've played a lot before, I noticed many clear indications that the game could be rigged ! And that's in differents casinos.

So I think maybe the provider could make like that some aggressive shots to cumulate high benefits!

How did you notice that? For a game as difficult to understand as slots, it is strange that a pattern is established, if you say that a slot game is fixed, what are the tools that you used? I ask because one of the casino games that I least trust is slots, because the possibility of losing is stronger than winning, and if you win it is very little, unless they have a large multiplier.

I have seen many slots, from providers, but based on your experience, which ones do you think have a better chance of being more fair or winning? I can not understand the logic of a slot machine, it is very difficult, you can lose up to 100 times in a row and it is not considered an advantage.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 17, 2022, 01:00:58 PM

Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

I think most of the time, slot game providers' remuneration depends on the job they have done with the casino operator. If it is a house game, most likely, casino will pay the developers/providers a one time payment.
On the other hand, I think providers like Pragmatic, NetEnt, YGGDRASIL, etc. are bound to get percentage based from the revenue that the slot has made.
I don't think casino will offer fixed rates (per time unit) for the provider, just imagine if the game does not became popular to their players and close to no one is playing it. So, I think percentage basis is what casino thinks are the best for themselves.

Ok,

That is comforting my guesses ..

So while I playing a game I've played a lot before, I noticed many clear indications that the game could be rigged ! And that's in differents casinos.

So I think maybe the provider could make like that some aggressive shots to cumulate high benefits!

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Quote from: Danydee on September 17, 2022, 12:11:48 PM

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

I think most of the time, slot game providers' remuneration depends on the job they have done with the casino operator. If it is a house game, most likely, casino will pay the developers/providers a one time payment.
On the other hand, I think providers like Pragmatic, NetEnt, YGGDRASIL, etc. are bound to get percentage based from the revenue that the slot has made.
I don't think casino will offer fixed rates (per time unit) for the provider, just imagine if the game does not became popular to their players and close to no one is playing it. So, I think percentage basis is what casino thinks are the best for themselves.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 17, 2022, 06:00:14 AM

Ps - All money wagered goes into the casino's bankroll..

Ok, thank you

But what about the providers remuneration? it is on percentage basis ? Fixed rates ? Both ??

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Quote from: Danydee on February 20, 2022, 11:09:03 AM

Hi

Si it is true that RTP of slot games can be adapted to the casinos preferences ??

do all providers do this ?

And what about when slots are accessed directly on the casino website, here anything can happen, things like avoiding use of RNG too.

Thanks to everybody

Some 3rd party Slot providers offer different RTP percentages, so the casino can decide what RTP they want to use. I know from experience that the RTP for Slots in "brick n mortar" casinos cannot be changed on the fly. There are a lot of hoops and regulations that you have to adhere to, when you want to adjust the RTP.

I have to be honest, my knowledge on online casinos (Slots) are not on par with what I know from Slots in "brick n mortar" casinos, but in regulated casinos this should be the same.

Now this is a whole different story for the in-house / original games... I think the casinos adjust those on the fly. Roll Eyes

Ps - All money wagered goes into the casino's bankroll..

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Hi @ultraBTC , Hi everyone

Could I ask you, how do providers are paid ? Do they're taking percentage of the edge ??

I my mind is to clarify how's the interest of a provider to rig a game !

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Here is an excellent thread on the subject by: bitcasinorank
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rtp-rates-from-slots-crypto-game-providers-the-list-and-the-infographic-5393892

and here is also a very great sensibilisation article from him:
https://www.gamblersbay.com/lowered-rtp-slots

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 10, 2022, 03:44:34 AM

So to answer your question... Yes, the RTP can be re-adjusted ...but it is done on the 3rd Party Service provider side... and not by the casino. Now, this is applicable to the third party Slots.... but some casinos have their own original games... and with these games, the casino can change the RTP as they like. Roll Eyes

In some cases the casino is not displaying or redirecting directly to the provider servers, "the url bar is not showing the common provider url/address, it showing instead the casino url".
This case it needs some analysis to see if it is the provider server that is running under the visible url, or if is there some parameters that can allow the casino some tricking of the results.

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