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legendary
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This is starting to look a lot like the SMA200 re-test I've been arguing for in RyNin's thread. Staying above, or at least closing above $611, would mean support from SMA200. Not sure if that'll happen though, panic seems to be kicking in. Daily close above would be a pretty bullish sign on the other hand.

Next step in case it breaks: I'd much prefer if $600 holds, for the obvious psychological reasons, but even until $580 to $590 (SMA50) we're safe in my opinion, but that's about as low as I currently expect it to go, if at all.

It becomes problematic from $550 to $560, I think. Not finding support there will put a damper on the entire upwards trend we've been starting to trust since the April 11 bottom. If it would come to that, which I don't really believe to be that likely, we're probably going back to fight for the $470 to $510 region again.

A balanced view.

But with a bit of luck we may not panic quite so much. I mean, there is absolutely no substantial meaning behind the latest news flash at all. It's a continuation of the current European attitude, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh, I agree. It's more or less "no news" news: Banks are still allowed to take customers that work in the Bitcoin field, but are not supposed to dabble in it themselves until: regulation regulation regulation (let's see what that'll look like).

But as always, technicals and fundamentals work in tandem. And this news item came a time where the market is, once again, in doubt about where to go. Small scale volume is surprisingly supportive of the ~$600 level, but larger volume orders are, by and large, of the selling variety, for whatever reason (impatience, risk control, "directing" the market -- doesn't really matter). So even "no news" news can be enough to trigger a brief burst of panic.
hero member
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One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
This is starting to look a lot like the SMA200 re-test I've been arguing for in RyNin's thread. Staying above, or at least closing above $611, would mean support from SMA200. Not sure if that'll happen though, panic seems to be kicking in. Daily close above would be a pretty bullish sign on the other hand.

Next step in case it breaks: I'd much prefer if $600 holds, for the obvious psychological reasons, but even until $580 to $590 (SMA50) we're safe in my opinion, but that's about as low as I currently expect it to go, if at all.

It becomes problematic from $550 to $560, I think. Not finding support there will put a damper on the entire upwards trend we've been starting to trust since the April 11 bottom. If it would come to that, which I don't really believe to be that likely, we're probably going back to fight for the $470 to $510 region again.

A balanced view.

But with a bit of luck we may not panic quite so much. I mean, there is absolutely no substantial meaning behind the latest news flash at all. It's a continuation of the current European attitude, nothing more, nothing less.
legendary
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This is starting to look a lot like the SMA200 re-test I've been arguing for in RyNin's thread. Staying above, or at least closing above $611, would mean support from SMA200. Not sure if that'll happen though, panic seems to be kicking in. Daily close above would be a pretty bullish sign on the other hand.

Next step in case it breaks: I'd much prefer if $600 holds, for the obvious psychological reasons, but even until $580 to $590 (SMA50) we're safe in my opinion, but that's about as low as I currently expect it to go, if at all.

It becomes problematic from $550 to $560, I think. Not finding support there will put a damper on the entire upwards trend we've been starting to trust since the April 11 bottom. If it would come to that, which I don't really believe to be that likely, we're probably going back to fight for the $470 to $510 region again.
legendary
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Some old charts i made back in may with fib fans seem still pretty accurate (not perfect, but still not bad).





If the chart manages to hold, than we will see $1000 no later than september 12th.

So far, the fib lines have shown support and resistance, although they do sometimes get broken for a short while. But usually not more than a couple of minutes. The middle lines also show some amount of support/resistance but much less than the outer lines. (Around June i thought we would stay above the 2nd lowest line instead of the lowest, but we fell down below it after a few days and stayed there, for now at least, as i expect us to climb towards higher lines soon). Possibly even the top line, but that would mean a serious rally.

legendary
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Enabling the maximal migration
legendary
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6h, 12h, 1d, 3d and 1w MACD, all positive as of now. The 3d is declining and somewhat close to zero perhaps, and technically there's no closed green 1w candle yet, but you get the idea: confluence of momentum across all relevant time scales is overwhelmingly pointing towards another decisive move up.

Exceptions are always possible of course, but I personally wouldn't dare shorting right now.
full member
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SMA 200 easily taken - do you think we will now take ~$676 resistance also soon?
legendary
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5 figures won't take 10 months.

That's certainly another point of view! Wink

though i agree with this, i think it will be much closer to 10 months than to 10 years.
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
5 figures won't take 10 months.
$666.66 could even happen within 24 hours!

Going to put your post in my top5 posts sgbett Smiley
yes 5 figures in 10 years is probably a more realistic target, though thoroughly less popular an opinion.

I hold for that scenario, prepared for zero, and insured against the outrageously unlikely moon scenario. I sleep well at night.
legendary
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5 figures won't take 10 months.

That's certainly another point of view! Wink
sr. member
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5 figures won't take 10 months.
legendary
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yes 5 figures in 10 years is probably a more realistic target, though thoroughly less popular an opinion.

I hold for that scenario, prepared for zero, and insured against the outrageously unlikely moon scenario. I sleep well at night.


I'd be happy with putting that one into the official Bitcoin investment brochure.
legendary
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yes 5 figures in 10 years is probably a more realistic target, though thoroughly less popular an opinion.

I hold for that scenario, prepared for zero, and insured against the outrageously unlikely moon scenario. I sleep well at night.
legendary
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Agreed, sgbett, there's a better chance to tackle the SMA200 today in my opinion. Still not 100% sure we're going to stay above it then in the next days. Don't underestimate the sheer weight of the preceding bear market that's still lasting on us. Could take another few attempts before we conclusively leave it behind.

re: the "bubble size" discussion... agreed, the increased awareness of btc could lead to ever increasing numbers of new users which brings in multiples of the previous "fresh fiat" amounts needed to sustain the bubble growth rate. I still don't buy it. I probably have a somewhat lower "final" valuation in mind than many, and I almost certainly think it'll take a lot longer to get there than most here (in the range of up to a generation), so there's plenty of time for that, even with declining growth rate.
legendary
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That said, the main reason that I do believe bubble size growth will decrease over time is that I believe that as the market gets bigger, the market also becomes more professional, which also entails it becomes more opportunistic, which entails profits will be taken earlier (because if you don't take profits comparably early, someone else will, and suddenly there are no profits for you to take anymore - i.e. a game theoretic understanding emerges that profits need to be taken earlier as time progresses), which entails the bubbles will overshoot less than they did in the past.

I think that is spot on what is going to happen, its the best I'm hoping for in the circumstances. Any other crazy MOON ideas occupy the same part of my brain that thinks I'm gonna win the lottery or something, nice to dream but unlikely to happen!

I generally agree, as it will take an even higher volume of money to make a bubble go parabolic to the same relative level (5x - 6x) as past bubbles.  But to play devil's advocate, suppose we go through future periods where the bitcoin "awareness factor" spreads faster than previous times, and an influx of new bitcoiners has a higher incoming velocity (i.e., say 20x vs. 10x) than past bubbles?  So hyper userbase growth?  In terms of awareness growth, I believe we are going through one of those periods now, in that bitcoin awareness is spreading globally at a hyper-exponential rate than past periods.  This is what I think may fuel a hyper-bubble in the future.  Maybe not this next time, but at some future date.

Thoughts?

It certainly could [says the I'm-gonna-win-the-lottery part of my brain] Wink
legendary
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That said, the main reason that I do believe bubble size growth will decrease over time is that I believe that as the market gets bigger, the market also becomes more professional, which also entails it becomes more opportunistic, which entails profits will be taken earlier (because if you don't take profits comparably early, someone else will, and suddenly there are no profits for you to take anymore - i.e. a game theoretic understanding emerges that profits need to be taken earlier as time progresses), which entails the bubbles will overshoot less than they did in the past.

I think that is spot on what is going to happen, its the best I'm hoping for in the circumstances. Any other crazy MOON ideas occupy the same part of my brain that thinks I'm gonna win the lottery or something, nice to dream but unlikely to happen!

I generally agree, as it will take an even higher volume of money to make a bubble go parabolic to the same relative level (5x - 6x) as past bubbles.  But to play devil's advocate, suppose we go through future periods where the bitcoin "awareness factor" spreads faster than previous times, and an influx of new bitcoiners has a higher incoming velocity (i.e., say 20x vs. 10x) than past bubbles?  So hyper userbase growth?  Higher velocity of new incoming users = higher volume of incoming fiat, resulting in possibly the same relative bubble height.

In terms of awareness growth, I believe we are going through one of those periods now, in that bitcoin awareness is spreading globally at a hyper-exponential rate than past periods.  This is what I think may fuel a hyper-bubble in the future.  Maybe not this next time, but at some future date.

Hopefully what I'm saying is making some sense.

Thoughts?
legendary
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Daily SMA200. 2nd attempt.



I'm no chart expert but that first test was never gonna hold as the SMA50 was miles away, this one might - esp if the 50 crosses this time. Could be all kinds of gains if that happens!

edit: i dunno if its relevant but the SMA30 is very close to crossing, if i did this chart thing then i'd probably go for a 30/200 crossover as 200 is always the default 'long term' and 30 seems like the logical (monthly) medium term one to choose. like i say, i'm no expert though Wink
legendary
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That said, the main reason that I do believe bubble size growth will decrease over time is that I believe that as the market gets bigger, the market also becomes more professional, which also entails it becomes more opportunistic, which entails profits will be taken earlier (because if you don't take profits comparably early, someone else will, and suddenly there are no profits for you to take anymore - i.e. a game theoretic understanding emerges that profits need to be taken earlier as time progresses), which entails the bubbles will overshoot less than they did in the past.

I think that is spot on what is going to happen, its the best I'm hoping for in the circumstances. Any other crazy MOON ideas occupy the same part of my brain that thinks I'm gonna win the lottery or something, nice to dream but unlikely to happen!

That kind of choppy slower growth ties in with how I felt about it being harder now to hold as it rises, because there will be so many more profit-taking driven sell offs. They'll keep spooking the holders. If you are long term hold and skim though you should realise this isn't a problem, it doesn't matter if any price action is super-exponential or merely linear, your strategy remains the same, and it still works.

(Until it doesn't of course, but that should never be a surprise to anyone signed up for this roller coaster.)
legendary
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Daily SMA200. 2nd attempt.


legendary
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The indicators and common sense all suggest that Bitcoin should correct a bit from here but my intuition says that that $615 target will be taken out and then some. B4 or after a correction I don't know, but I am finding it very difficult to get my heart behind the bearish cause at the moment.


Intuition calls it again! I do this all the time! But did I have a Bitcoin position during that break out? Did I fuck! I sold my $600 buy-in at $601.41 yesterday, and had buy-in set at $567. I really am fucking awful at trading. Why can I generally be pretty good at calling market but so fucking damn awful at trading? What is it about my conscious decision making process that has such a strong desire to LOSE!?

Bought in at $628, and am proud to admit that due to all my ill-timed faffinf around, I have 0.5 Bitcoins less than I had when I sold at $645 before the correction down to $538......lowest I bought was $555.....sold at $540.  Wink

Going offshore today...be gone for weeks.....probably won't be in position to sit staring at charts and make 'judgement' calls and try and outwit the market. It either trends North from here, or hits $750 - $800 and is smashed back down for C leg of DanV's Wave 4 correction.

Yes. You suck at trading because you fail to follow any of the rules of trading. I and others told you to hold your long position. And you said "no." Until you can say "yes" you don't deserve trading profits.

Have fun on your vacation.
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