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Topic: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 - page 18. (Read 6758 times)

legendary
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I will still give them the benefit of the doubt and do what the bookies suggest and hope I'll get my prediction a bit different from most of you guys Wink

agree with a doubt stand, but Dortmund will probably have a hard fought win
didn't watch it, but statistic said 22 shots, 5 on target, and one goal by Brandt, enough for a minimal win

agree, they don't look very good at the moment, but winning when you are not in best shape is what brings good placements and titles

while I was typing, it ended, 1:0 for Dortmund

legendary
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I have just checked out the line-up for Dortmund against Bremen because I considered changing my prediction for the game, but now I am hesitating because I saw this:



I don't really care too much, but I think this formation is unworthy of Dortmund in a home game at Signal Iduna Park. Dortmund has been known to play intense attacking football and now I am not even sure if I missed that they have been playing this more often recently. But I looked at the last few games and the very least they did was a 4-2-3-1. Usually they get these formations right and surely I know that Brandt and Malen are supposed to play a rather offensive role here. But still I remember the times when Dortmund's offense looked really dangerous. This doesn't really look dangerous. I will still give them the benefit of the doubt and do what the bookies suggest and hope I'll get my prediction a bit different from most of you guys Wink
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didn't check the whole table, but three correct picks above me in standings, so many pointed in Augsburg direction
still, I would not call a bad start for them overall, maybe something else influenced change
nevertheless, it is all over, and we should concentrate on new round

Bayern playing with Mainz, so Mainz will probably stay where they are, rock bottom
Koeln home against M'Gladbach, chance for a first win? or they are cursed this season

Yup, all over. I'm (trying to) get over it. Really thought that would be my edge. I'm now of course looking to catch Mainz odds if they reach a more suitable level. Bo's already piping to the media that he knows the secrets to beating Bayern, haha.

There will be one upset this weekend, just hoping it doesn't happen too early with BVB -- whom I'm really counting on to make a splash next week in UCL.
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Sad for me, Mainz was my pick and they were trying really hard to go rock bottom, even their player got cheeky a few days ago with a political post he later had to retract. Augsburg aren't great but I'm really not sure firing their manager changes much. Oh well. Did anyone actually get this pick right?

didn't check the whole table, but three correct picks above me in standings, so many pointed in Augsburg direction
still, I would not call a bad start for them overall, maybe something else influenced change
nevertheless, it is all over, and we should concentrate on new round

Bayern playing with Mainz, so Mainz will probably stay where they are, rock bottom
Koeln home against M'Gladbach, chance for a first win? or they are cursed this season
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BVB need a win desperately in UCL so I wonder if they could slip up at home this weekend? Still went for a comfortable home win there, though, and Reus seems to be quietly picking up form...

it's official and fc augsburg is the first club to sack its coach this season.
the club parted ways with Enrico Maaßen last night. augsburg is in 15th place in the table after 7 games with 5 points (1 win, 2 draws, 4 defeats).
Wow, that's really early, especially for Augsburg, where 5 earned points so far are not that bad. Maybe the loss at home against Darmstadt, a direct competitor for relegation, must have been very devastating for Augsburg internally. 2 weeks ago, Augsburg even won against Mainz, also a direct competitor, who decided to stick to Bo Svensson but is only at 2 points currently.
And here we are, first coach got sacked and it's not Mainz or Bremen. Köln's coach might also get sacked soon.  Cheesy

Sad for me, Mainz was my pick and they were trying really hard to go rock bottom, even their player got cheeky a few days ago with a political post he later had to retract. Augsburg aren't great but I'm really not sure firing their manager changes much. Oh well. Did anyone actually get this pick right?
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after the international break the time has come and with the game dortmund vs. bremen tomorrow the 8th matchday in the bundesliga will start. in order to keep our pool a fair competition, here comes the weekly reminder to the participants who have not yet submitted their picks
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legendary
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So, Bard AI has helped me to earn 3 points in the latest Matchday:



It's not like Bard predicted the correct score. Bard predicted a 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but since it said: "but it could be a close match", I predicted 4-1 and was right about the Goal Difference and therefore earned 3 points. I'm happy with the result, to be honest. Probably will be using Bard more for my future predictions. (I hope it's not against the rules).

I am totally sure that Bard won't give you an edge. It is as much rolling the dice as everyone else is who has a good grasp of the teams and the league. At best, I would say. I think knowing a league and knowing some of the minor details of every team already gives you an edge over the AI. This might change in the future, but not for now.

Next season we could add some accounts and operate them with AI and see what the results are at the end of the season. Could be worth a little experiment although I am quite sure what the outcome will be.

You are correct, it's this point Brad is pretty much useless for predicting the outcomes of the games. Bard is almost always predicts  2-1 in favour of the strongest team. It predicted 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but it only happened once, and Bard wasn't correct in that case anyway. Maybe it's my prompt, but something makes it impossible to use Bard for making correct predictions. I will try with some other promts, though, but my hopes are not high.

I think it is because AI-systems don't have an information advantage and they probably also have issues with sources spreading false information. These AI-systems are also probabilistic, which means that any smallest deviation from the seemingly most likely outcome would make them be a bad system.

This table is outdated, but I still think it provides a decent overview of the total score distribution across several leagues. Interestingly though, the most common result is a 1-1 draw. But if AI then gathers some data and understands that there is a favorite and an underdog, it will just go with the 2-1 most of the time because it is the second most likely result for the years presented in that table.

I think it is still very far from gathering real-time data and then include it in the outputs. For example, what would a trained AS-system do if it learns that Kane and Sané will miss a game on short notice? It would be interesting if it corrects the total score one goal down or something like that. But all these are averages and really, I don't see the day coming when AI gets a 5-0 Stuttgart vs. Freiburg prediction right Tongue
legendary
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So, Bard AI has helped me to earn 3 points in the latest Matchday:



It's not like Bard predicted the correct score. Bard predicted a 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but since it said: "but it could be a close match", I predicted 4-1 and was right about the Goal Difference and therefore earned 3 points. I'm happy with the result, to be honest. Probably will be using Bard more for my future predictions. (I hope it's not against the rules).

I am totally sure that Bard won't give you an edge. It is as much rolling the dice as everyone else is who has a good grasp of the teams and the league. At best, I would say. I think knowing a league and knowing some of the minor details of every team already gives you an edge over the AI. This might change in the future, but not for now.

Next season we could add some accounts and operate them with AI and see what the results are at the end of the season. Could be worth a little experiment although I am quite sure what the outcome will be.

You are correct, it's this point Brad is pretty much useless for predicting the outcomes of the games. Bard is almost always predicts  2-1 in favour of the strongest team. It predicted 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but it only happened once, and Bard wasn't correct in that case anyway. Maybe it's my prompt, but something makes it impossible to use Bard for making correct predictions. I will try with some other promts, though, but my hopes are not high.
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I would agree that losing against Darmstadt 98 was the deal breaker for Augsburg coach, but ironically my prediction for the question is Darmstadt coach to get the boot first so, perhaps If Augsburg had won that game is there any possibility that a coach would have been sacked regardless but it would have been the opposite way, and that would have been 4 bonus points for me, but I guess we'll never.
In case Darmstadt98 would have lost in Augsburg, I believe there would have been no danger for Darmstadt's coach to get sacked because
- Augsburg is a team to be known for being strong at home
- Darmstadt came from 2nd league and is expected to be a safe relegation candidate = losing in Augsburg would be as expected
- Darmstadt played a (comparably) really nice season so far, where Darmstadt won already against Bremen and achieved a good draw against Galdbach, netting 7 points already (4 before Augsburg), bringing Darmstadt way above expectations = no reason to sack coach
legendary
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except if they are team you followed their game through the preseason and anticipate a struggle this much from them.

that is my point here, I don't see Augsburg struggling, looking at their position on the table, I found them to be happy to finish on position 15 in the end, can't say that they are Europe position, or even mid-table candidate

and struggling by these parameters would be all loses so far, not 5 points and being on pos.15 Smiley
but what a heck, they decided on that, and it is over
will be interesting to see what will this change with their fate, maybe they will relegate after all
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I mean Koeln really is in trouble in all respects that the table has to offer.
And Köln's aspirations are way above Augsburg's aspirations, so I was very surprised as well to see Augsburg's coach getting sacked. Augsburg is our average relegation candidate, where it's absolutely not surprising to see them, where they are currently.
Maybe, behind the scenes, some more trouble was abrewing, specifically with coach Enrico Maaßen and Augsburg's loss against Darmstadt at home just was the last nail in the coffin for Enrico Maaßen.

I would agree that losing against Darmstadt 98 was the deal breaker for Augsburg coach, but ironically my prediction for the question is Darmstadt coach to get the boot first so, perhaps If Augsburg had won that game is there any possibility that a coach would have been sacked regardless but it would have been the opposite way, and that would have been 4 bonus points for me, but I guess we'll never.

I believe this question a really tough one, to answers and it's just pure luck not out of personal conviction, except if they are team you followed their game through the preseason and anticipate a struggle this much from them.
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I mean Koeln really is in trouble in all respects that the table has to offer.
And Köln's aspirations are way above Augsburg's aspirations, so I was very surprised as well to see Augsburg's coach getting sacked. Augsburg is our average relegation candidate, where it's absolutely not surprising to see them, where they are currently.
Maybe, behind the scenes, some more trouble was abrewing, specifically with coach Enrico Maaßen and Augsburg's loss against Darmstadt at home just was the last nail in the coffin for Enrico Maaßen.
legendary
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Wow, that's really early, especially for Augsburg, where 5 earned points so far are not that bad. Maybe the loss at home against Darmstadt, a direct competitor for relegation, must have been very devastating for Augsburg internally.


TBH, didn't expect that from Augsburg, and with 10 tries, I would probably not put Augsburg for this question, so nothing to be sorry about
Mainz holding steady, and Koeln too, with much worse situation on the table

Darmstadt lose is certainly a bad one to have, and being at home even worse, due to Augsburg taking most points at home, but they were pretty fast to decide to sack manager
let's see will that bring them better times

Same here, I was pretty sure that for as long as Augsburg is literally not in the relegation zone, it would not be the Augsburg coach who gets sacked first when there are teams like Koeln and Mainz below them. There is nothing wrong about sacking the coach, it's ok given the situation in Augsburg, but just from a rational point of view I would have expected the Koeln coach to get sacked before the Augsburg coach. I mean Koeln really is in trouble in all respects that the table has to offer.
legendary
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Wow, that's really early, especially for Augsburg, where 5 earned points so far are not that bad. Maybe the loss at home against Darmstadt, a direct competitor for relegation, must have been very devastating for Augsburg internally.


TBH, didn't expect that from Augsburg, and with 10 tries, I would probably not put Augsburg for this question, so nothing to be sorry about
Mainz holding steady, and Koeln too, with much worse situation on the table

Darmstadt lose is certainly a bad one to have, and being at home even worse, due to Augsburg taking most points at home, but they were pretty fast to decide to sack manager
let's see will that bring them better times
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it's official and fc augsburg is the first club to sack its coach this season.
the club parted ways with Enrico Maaßen last night. augsburg is in 15th place in the table after 7 games with 5 points (1 win, 2 draws, 4 defeats).

and so we have already answered the first bonus question. this means that Trofo, Little Mouse, -Lemming- and Betwrong will be credited with 4 more points on the scoreboard.
Nice, those extra 4 points came really handy to close the gap with the leader. Now I am just 1 point behind and my team got extra morale boost. Did not even consider I would get any of those tougher bonus question right.

International break now, meh..can't wait for proper football to start again.
legendary
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it's official and fc augsburg is the first club to sack its coach this season.
the club parted ways with Enrico Maaßen last night. augsburg is in 15th place in the table after 7 games with 5 points (1 win, 2 draws, 4 defeats).
Wow, that's really early, especially for Augsburg, where 5 earned points so far are not that bad. Maybe the loss at home against Darmstadt, a direct competitor for relegation, must have been very devastating for Augsburg internally. 2 weeks ago, Augsburg even won against Mainz, also a direct competitor, who decided to stick to Bo Svensson but is only at 2 points currently.
And here we are, first coach got sacked and it's not Mainz or Bremen. Köln's coach might also get sacked soon.  Cheesy


legendary
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So, Bard AI has helped me to earn 3 points in the latest Matchday:



It's not like Bard predicted the correct score. Bard predicted a 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but since it said: "but it could be a close match", I predicted 4-1 and was right about the Goal Difference and therefore earned 3 points. I'm happy with the result, to be honest. Probably will be using Bard more for my future predictions. (I hope it's not against the rules).

I am totally sure that Bard won't give you an edge. It is as much rolling the dice as everyone else is who has a good grasp of the teams and the league. At best, I would say. I think knowing a league and knowing some of the minor details of every team already gives you an edge over the AI. This might change in the future, but not for now.

Next season we could add some accounts and operate them with AI and see what the results are at the end of the season. Could be worth a little experiment although I am quite sure what the outcome will be.
legendary
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Wow, nice bet! To be honest, taking into account how frivolously Bayern plays in defense, for me the maximum score without conceding goals for them is 3-0. If I thought they would score 4 I would have gone for 4-1.
Do you often place such bets (on the exact score and with such huge odds as 70)? I’m thinking about starting to place bets on the exact score, but so far I can’t understand what kind of payback prospects such bets have.

I don't place such bets often. However it is really nice to try this kind of bets from time to time. The chance of having high winnings with low amount attracts people. About Bayern Munich topic I wish I also thought the same as you at the beginning of the match. If you place bets on score predictions don't forget to share please. Smiley
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I wanted to prepare a betslip with the score predictions I made in the pool. As a matter of fact I was almost going to predict the score of the Bayer Leverkusen - Koln match as well if I wasn't late. I can't believe that my betslip lost by Bayern Munich's only one goal. Coman scored the 3rd goal in the 85th minute so I got excited as there was time. But that last goal I needed didn't come. Sad

Wow, nice bet! To be honest, taking into account how frivolously Bayern plays in defense, for me the maximum score without conceding goals for them is 3-0. If I thought they would score 4 I would have gone for 4-1.
Do you often place such bets (on the exact score and with such huge odds as 70)? I’m thinking about starting to place bets on the exact score, but so far I can’t understand what kind of payback prospects such bets have.
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
So, Bard AI has helped me to earn 3 points in the latest Matchday:



It's not like Bard predicted the correct score. Bard predicted a 3-1 win for Bayern Munich in the FC Bayern Munich vs SC Freiburg, but since it said: "but it could be a close match", I predicted 4-1 and was right about the Goal Difference and therefore earned 3 points. I'm happy with the result, to be honest. Probably will be using Bard more for my future predictions. (I hope it's not against the rules).
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