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Yeah we have entered another race week and there are going to be 3 races in total in the 3 weeks ahead. This must be great news for Formula 1 fans surely.

Verstappen was the winner of the last Grand Prix organized in the United States. I don't expect a much different result than that. The difference might be the winning margin this time. Because I think that it will be another very comfortable race for Verstappen. He has already announced his 3rd title though but he wouldn't lose anything in his ambition as usual.

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Quote from: CLS63 on October 11, 2023, 06:01:59 PM

The media are always spreading rumours about Perez to be replaced in times he doesn't manage to show the expected performance. It is difficult to believe them about this as a result until hearing from Red Bull about it as well. However it is the truth that there have been many times Perez made the race extra difficult for himself.

But all in all Perez has still managed to keep second place so far. I think he is just the kind of a driver Red Bull would like now. Because they don't want to have another driver like Verstappen. I don't think Verstappen would want a teammate as competitive as him either. Helmut Marko says that there isn't any alternative for Perez now.

I don't think it was just a rumor.
I think it was an interview done by Horner with he press-

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 13, 2023, 02:33:52 PM

Agreed, Perez is a perfect teammate. He's happy to sit in 2nd, to have half the points Max does and to not rock the boat a lot.
It does sound a bit weird, but I'm sure that in RB they are happy with him. But in general, he's also a big reason as to why the season is mostly boring - it would be good for F1 in general if at least a teammate would occasionally challenge Verstappen.

Who is RB even looking at? Somebody like Norris/Ocon?

I don't think McLaren would want to leave Norris,a driver completely grown up to McLaren to move to another team no matter the offer.I also don't think that Norris would want to leave.Ocon maybe and it would be a really good option to replace Perez as Redbull does not want to have fights between their drivers and I don't think that Ocon can challenge Verstappen at all.

As long as Verstappen is winning it is normal for Redbull to be happy with the situation as they normally also get the World Constructor titles as no matter how bad Perez does,he still manages to get enough points to please the team so why should they change things,there is no point in doing that.

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Agreed, Perez is a perfect teammate. He's happy to sit in 2nd, to have half the points Max does and to not rock the boat a lot.
It does sound a bit weird, but I'm sure that in RB they are happy with him. But in general, he's also a big reason as to why the season is mostly boring - it would be good for F1 in general if at least a teammate would occasionally challenge Verstappen.

Who is RB even looking at? Somebody like Norris/Ocon?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 11, 2023, 05:06:21 PM

Who will be the next driver of RBR with MAX?

According to the media, Perez has an ultimatum of 2 GPs to keep his spot.

The media are always spreading rumours about Perez to be replaced in times he doesn't manage to show the expected performance. It is difficult to believe them about this as a result until hearing from Red Bull about it as well. However it is the truth that there have been many times Perez made the race extra difficult for himself.

But all in all Perez has still managed to keep second place so far. I think he is just the kind of a driver Red Bull would like now. Because they don't want to have another driver like Verstappen. I don't think Verstappen would want a teammate as competitive as him either. Helmut Marko says that there isn't any alternative for Perez now.

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Who will be the next driver of RBR with MAX?

According to the media, Perez has an ultimatum of 2 GPs to keep his spot.

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bullrun2020bro, you have been doing really great for a person who has limited knowledge about Formula 1. Great job on that yellow cap as well.

I wanted to give a place to a McLaren driver on podium among my predictions. I chose Norris for 3rd place. Maybe it was risky after seeing the first practice session but here we are. I was hopeful about Perez as well but he was a disappointment. After Mercedes had a serious crash at the beginning I hoped Perez also to take advantage of the chance but he had a bad race. Sad

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 08, 2023, 04:40:55 PM

As I told you at the start of the season.
Piastri is a superb driver, it is one on the S tier.

With Verstappen and Leclerc he was able to win F3 and F2 in 2 consecutive years.

Shame on me for not entrusting him. I think if I sacrificed my EBP and went with Piastri podium I might actually have gotten 2 extra points anyway, and maybe even a bit more as I'd have rearranged the rest behind him. Of course, that's hindsight and easy to look back over my shoulder with regret.

Quote from: bullrun2024bro on October 09, 2023, 12:35:18 PM

Thanks a lot buddy! I myself am at least as surprised as you guys are, haha. As you know, my knowledge of F1 is still very limited, so I'm more than happy that I was able to win both tips.

Pretty sure such luck won't happen again for me. Cheesy

I'm praying you're right and you won't have this luck again Wink

Have to say, you and Trofo getting Norris in 3rd was inspired.

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Congrats @bullrun2020bro on the yellow cap! That Norris call for podium was really brave of you despite the FP1 results. Because McLaren drivers weren't good at all there and this made me hesitate about them this time. But of course the race was pretty interesting and McLaren drivers benefited from this chance great.

That start to the race was really unexpected. Hamilton pushed it to the limit to overtake his teammate however he was careless while doing this. It caused him to be out of the race and it could have been worse for Russell if he didn't climb to top places anyway.

It is a really great joy to watch Piastri climb the steps by having really good results this season. He is benefiting from the chance given to him amazingly.

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Quote from: jeremypwr on October 08, 2023, 05:02:53 PM

Big Congrats to @bullrun2020bro who won this week's Yellow Cap and also the Qatar Grand Prix Challenge

Thanks a lot buddy! I myself am at least as surprised as you guys are, haha. As you know, my knowledge of F1 is still very limited, so I'm more than happy that I was able to win both tips.

Pretty sure such luck won't happen again for me. Cheesy

Quote from: swogerino on October 09, 2023, 01:43:52 AM

Not only that but it changed dramatically the standings and it made them even more challenging now,from 10th to 4th it is about 2 or 2.5 points in the last 5 races remaining for this season.FIA with these changes of having to pit with a certain time frame have made a huge huge mistake as it has moved out any different strategy or thinking from the teams.Based on this it was a super boring race having to see people make 3 pit stops in a 57 lap race where I have seen in the years before people finishing this with just one pit stop.Another shameful error from FIA.

Yep, you're right the pool got extremely close again. But that's great imho! In most pools it is often the case that the winner is determined relatively early during the season. And the F1 pool looks like it will remain very exciting until the last race.

Five more to go. Cool

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Quote from: jeremypwr on October 08, 2023, 05:02:53 PM

Big Congrats to @bullrun2020bro who won this week's Yellow Cap and also the Qatar Grand Prix Challenge

Not only that but it changed dramatically the standings and it made them even more challenging now,from 10th to 4th it is about 2 or 2.5 points in the last 5 races remaining for this season.FIA with these changes of having to pit with a certain time frame have made a huge huge mistake as it has moved out any different strategy or thinking from the teams.Based on this it was a super boring race having to see people make 3 pit stops in a 57 lap race where I have seen in the years before people finishing this with just one pit stop.Another shameful error from FIA.

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Quote from: buwaytress on October 08, 2023, 02:59:39 PM

Wow Piastri podium, kicking myself for not sacrificing my EBP to change picks in him there.

Strong showing as expected from the Brits (sans Hammie) but pretty sure he would have been up there too if Sainz didn't get in the way.

And we thought no crash risk in Qatar, huh?

As I told you at the start of the season.
Piastri is a superb driver, it is one on the S tier.

With Verstappen and Leclerc he was able to win F3 and F2 in 2 consecutive years.

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Wow Piastri podium, kicking myself for not sacrificing my EBP to change picks in him there.

Strong showing as expected from the Brits (sans Hammie) but pretty sure he would have been up there too if Sainz didn't get in the way.

And we thought no crash risk in Qatar, huh?

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Quote from: 1miau on October 07, 2023, 08:35:18 PM

Very likely, yes.
I've selected him on 2nd spot in my Superbru prediction (again) Lips sealed

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For me it is the first time that I put him I don't know where 5th or 6th in the Superbru prediction pool as I always used to place him second and so far until 3-4 races before he used to get that place while in these last races I have lost several points by choosing him second.

For today race I am sure if the race is held under normal conditions he stands absolutely no chance of coming second as the pace of the McLaren sounds much better than a Perez with a Redbull,he only has a chance if a lot of Safety Cars happen again like yesterday in the Sprint.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2023, 06:26:39 AM

Does anybody know where I can find Perez's starting positions (or qualifying results) in one place (page) for the whole season?

I've found some recent statistics here: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/171jqkp/qualifying_championship_after_2023_qatar_gp/
Don't know how accurate it is, seems to be from an Excel file.

Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2023, 06:26:39 AM

He was horrible again in quailfiers, only decent in practice, I feel that guy is such an underachiever.

He's always horrible in qualifying but usually he made up quite some places during race, because RedBull is such a fast car. But now, his most notable appearance during races is to cause crashes, like he did in Singapore, in Japan and now in Sprint as well. Roll Eyes

And competitors are a bit closer to RedBull.
But in Singapore he crashed into an AlphaTauri (Yuki) and a Williams (Albon), in Suzuka, he crashed into a Haas (Magnussen) and in Sprint today a Haas as well (Hulkenberg). Not even Ferrari, McLaren or Mercedes because he's not even fighting for these positions recently.
So, yes, he's definitely an underachiever, at least recently.
Let's hope he'll have a better race tomorrow. Maybe saving tires will be an important part tomorrow, where RedBull and Perez are decent, overally.

Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2023, 06:26:39 AM

Crazy to say that about the 2nd best driver this season, but I feel literally anyone else would be 50+ points closer to Verstappen.

Very likely, yes.
I've selected him on 2nd spot in my Superbru prediction (again) Lips sealed

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Quote from: swogerino on October 07, 2023, 06:35:56 AM

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Man, you can't depreciate so much about a pilot, everyone there has a straw tail, but some have it less volatile than others, and one of those with less volatility so that they talk straw is Checho Perez.

Verstappen is there for talent, but names like Alonso, Hamilton, for example, said no to Red Bull, so it was simply the option for the best prospect. Then... the same can be said, with a car like that, it's easy, right? It's worth asking you, how do you think he is in Red Bull?

If you are going to send any pilot to hell, it can be Stroll. Wink

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1   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m25.979s   1m25.496s   1m24.454s
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m25.672s   1m24.947s   1m24.536s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m25.510s   1m25.199s   1m24.646s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m25.413s   1m25.027s   1m24.841s
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m25.872s   1m25.433s   1m25.155s
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m26.266s   1m25.367s   1m25.247s
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m26.450s   1m25.499s   1m25.320s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m26.123s   1m25.143s   1m25.382s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m25.936s   1m25.344s   No Time Set
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m26.072s   1m25.510s   No Time Set

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Can a Mclearen win today in the small race?

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1037585/1/f1-qatar-grand-prix-2023-sprint-shootout-results

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2023, 06:26:39 AM

Does anybody know where I can find Perez's starting positions (or qualifying results) in one place (page) for the whole season?

He was horrible again in quailfiers, only decent in practice, I feel that guy is such an underachiever.
Crazy to say that about the 2nd best driver this season, but I feel literally anyone else would be 50+ points closer to Verstappen.

With the same car absolutely there are quite some great drivers here,much better than Perez and they are Hamilton,Norris,Piastri (yes even a rookie can be better than him) Russell,Sainz and Leclerc to name a few.I am sure that these drivers would have put a much higher pressure on Verstappen and the point difference would not be that huge.

Hamilton has already said that if I were in the same team with him,Verstappen would not be laughing that much like he does knowing he has Perez,the most mediocre driver as a team mate.I don't know where to find all those results in one page but in Superbru app and in the pool you can see any round I believe by clicking on them.

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