Topic: 🏁🏎️ Sportsbet.io🏁 FORMULA 1 2023 Season🏁🏎️Prediction Pool Discussion Thread - page 65. (Read 20737 times)

The funny thing is that in the pool almost all the top guys did not move positions,showing that most of us believed to much in Verstappen and Redbull.I got this race the lowest ever amount of points including EBP I only got 7 points  .

Mercedes I think made an error to not let Hamilton pass Russell when Hamilton was near 1 second faster than his team mate,the end of the race would have been a much much different story then but Mercedes believed more in Russell this time,he tried and over did it by hitting the wall desperately trying to catch Norris and Sainz.

Sainz was really big brain today.    Carlando did a great teamwork about keeping Mercedes drivers behind themselves. Sainz completely deserved this win as a result. Ferrari needed to make a sacrifice and they chose Leclerc for that I'm afraid. I wish Leclerc managed to finish the race on podium at least.

Mercedes rolled the dice and got medium tyres for a full push to win the race. Especially Russell was so fast but he couldn't do it and he even made a shocking mistake in the final lap. If he chilled a little more maybe he wouldn't have hit the wall and been DNF.

Good weekend for Ferrari anyway!

Different race today in F1 where Ferrari won a deserved race but greatly helped by the Safety Car perfectly timed when they were about to enter pit stops anyway,this translated to very bad luck for Redbulls who were planning on staying ahead while the Ferraris should have been in traffic when they came out of the pit stops if there were no Safety Car.Well played in the end by Sainz who gave DRS to Norris that helped himself defend against hungry Mercedes with medium tires which unfortunately Russell hit the wall by pushing way to hard to fight for that win.In the pool I am sure this is a race with a very few points compared to the last one.

Same here, I've also considered to change my picks but making up 2 EBP is very difficult.

Let's assume we change it to:
1. Sainz
2. Russell
3. Leclerc

And final order is not changed (very unlikely):

Rating	Points Superbru
____________	__________________
1. Sainz	2
2. Russell	2
3. Leclerc	2
Podium bonus	2

Result: 8 points just from podium and losing all of our EBP = 8 points



But final order is maybe:

Rating	Points Superbru
____________	__________________
1. Sainz	2
2. Leclerc	1
3. Norris	1
Podium bonus	0

Result: 4 points just from podium but losing all of our EBP = 4 points (if Sainz and Leclerc are switched, it's only 3 points).


Now, when we don't make changes of our picks and race results are 1. Sainz, 2. Leclerc, 3. Russell, while our unchanged prediction is:

Rating	Points Superbru
____________	__________________
1. Verstappen	1 (for Top 10 position)
2. Perez	1 (for Top 10 position)
3. Norris	1 (for Top 10 position)
Podium bonus	0

Result: 3 points just from podium but keeping all of our 2 EBP = 5 points

Conclusion: We would need to pick the exact podium here (or very close of 2 drivers exact positions) to gain enough points to make up 2 EBP because I'm expecting Verstappen and Perez still to make Top 10.
Unknown factor is Ocon, Magnussen, Hulkenberg and Lawson but they'll likely drop out of Top 10.
Piastri still might make Top 10, while Stroll might not. Really difficult decision.
Currently, I'm not planning to change my picks but I'll make a final decision tomorrow.

Of course he is not very hopeful.He needs absolutely to have some rain,some crash in front of him or a Safety Car in order to enhance his chances to win the race.He should not worry much though as he already won 10 times in a row and is the absolute record holder in F1 history so far with a record that I find it difficult for other people to break this record.For tomorrow I have not changed anything in the predictions,is not worthy risking the 2 EBP points for a chaotic race that is going to be 100% tomorrow,I hope in some incident in turn 1 and a Safety Car soon after.

I have also been thinking about this since the qualifying session ended. I assume that I won't give up on EBP points as it really very difficult to predict the result of this race. It isn't difficult to predict that a person who can predict podium correctly tomorrow will rise in the standings significantly. When it comes to Verstappen's statements after the qualifying session he isn't very hopeful for tomorrow.

Yes, what an awful performance from Red Bull. 
During all FP sessions, Red Bull struggled a lot but starting positions 11 and 13 are way worse from what was expected.
It's even more embarassing because Verstappen didn't even had traffic in his last attempt, he was just awfully slow.


From last year, Verstappen started from position 8 as well and had a horrible race, where he just enden on position 7, despite many cars retiring due to verious reasons.
I still expect a podium can be possible for Verstappen and a Safety Car can help him but a race win is very unlikely in my opinion.

And here's where it’s getting interesting. Changing our Superbru picks or not changing? I believe most of us have Verstappen to win (I have him to win as well), so changing picks is definitely an option.
However, will we be able to gain our lost 2 Early Bru Points back? It's very difficult to predict podium positions because we don't know if Ferrari will make a bad strategy call again and also how tyre management will look for Ferrari. Crashes can happen every time, bringing a safety car out, where position can change a lot.
We can get rain, where positions might change a lot as well.
We have Piastri and Stroll starting from far behind, not sure if points for Piastri and Stroll are possible.
We have many strange cars in Top 10, where it's not sure if these cars will stay Top 10 until finish line.

It's looking like changing picks is really a 50 / 50 option. 

Odds near 7,are they kidding us the bookies,do they think that Redbull team will not have enough time to fix the car for the race?I strongly agree with you the odds are too good to not try and I am going to bet like some 70.000 IDR for 490.000 IDR for Redbull to be the winning constructor.

I think and believe the mechanics and the team can fix the car for tomorrow but not because they need to as they are already Champions this year,it is all about the prestige of such team,they would want to show the world that they can even fix things in not a so much favorable situation.

Huh, tomorrow's race looks like it might be pretty interesting. Sainz favorite for the win, and odds of ~7 for Red Bull to be the winning constructor.

They were on top in every race this season, can they turn it around tomorrow as well? The odds are too good not to try.

It's a night race as well, perfect time slot for us Europeans, not the one to miss!

It looks like Ferrari have improved not only in Monza as we all thought that they setup the car with the highest top speed there to take profit from the straights and have a good one,they did have a good one there.In here I never expected them to do this good and I also didn't want to take risks so choose Verstappen on pole.I believe though that Redbull team will work during all this time,during all the day there in Singapore and most probably would have fixed something for the race so this one is going to be a really interesting race tomorrow.

It was very unexpected results in qualifications but I checked what happened in previous seasons in Singapore grand prix and final race results were often different from qualifications.
Weather report is saying possible rain tomorrow in Singapore and that usually means a lot of changes, but I still expect to see one Red Bull on podium.
It might be a good idea to place bets now, odds on Sainz and others are very juicy, maybe even top 3 or top 6:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/singapore-grand-prix-2023-race/singapore-grand-prix-2023-race-64f4ca59938a06000142c1b4

I thought of choosing Leclerc for the pole first but later I decided not to take risks and went on with Verstappen. It seems like none of these choices would have made a big change.    Sainz made such a great effort and deserved to take that pole. Taking 2 consecutive poles is really impressive while there is a huge threat like Verstappen.

I wonder how the race will go tomorrow. If Ferrari don't screw things up in pit or with strategies then we can really see Ferrari drivers in first and second places.

Ferrari look much faster than Red Bull in Singapore but let's see whether they can maintain this pace in the race too.

There's a slim chance of Verstappen winning IF there's no rain. Very slim.

The weather forecast for now is that it's going to rain. So, we probably have a good race guaranteed on our hands. 

It's a track where the fast slow down and the slow speed up. so a team that couldn't challenge red bull at monza can outrun them on the streets of singapore with drs support. It's one of the most feared tracks by the teams that dominate the season. Structurally it is a strange place. The corners of the track are also very interesting. But since the race is held in the evening session, the grip will be quite strong if it doesn't rain. So the drivers can push their cars a little more comfortably. It could be a race where albon, norris and perez could come to the fore. Liam Lawson, a rookie in only his third race in F1, who had never raced on this track before, and who was driving the worst car on the grid, slapped Verstappen out of Q3 in yet another slap in the face of the fact that F1 is truly an "automobile sport".

I made my prediction as Leclerc instead of Verstappen in the Exclusive F1 Prediction Contest. However Sainz managed to win his second pole position in a row today. It was predicted that Red Bulls might have difficulties. However it must have made everyone shocked that both Red Bull drivers couldn't qualify for Q3. Despite everything I think Verstappen still has a chance in the race tomorrow.

2023 F1 Singapore Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (3)
Pos    Driver    Nat.   Team    Time
1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.065s
2   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m32.134s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m32.303s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m32.378s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m32.381s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m32.535s
7   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m32.730s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m32.784s
9   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m32.896s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m32.945s
11   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m32.970s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m32.979s
13   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m33.051s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m33.126s
15   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m33.351s
16   Liam Lawson   NZL   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m33.357s
17   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m33.370s
18   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m33.540s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m33.637s
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m33.708s


Free practice 3, Ferrari still ahead.

They may do the pole today after all.

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1035794/1/f1-singapore-grand-prix-2023-final-practice-results

Yeah,I just checked Practice 1 and 2 and Ferrari dominated both of them,I don't know if Monza was not because of the setup of the car only as this makes me think that real improvements for any track have been made to Ferrari since they are competitive in a very fast technical track like this one.

This race though is much more difficult for the drivers than Monza was as in Monza the track is straight near 70-75% of it while in here is full of turns and we have seen quite so many race incidents here,everything can happen in the race but first I need to see the official qualifying and see the real power of the cars.

If Max Verstappen doesn't have any problems this year he looks like he will win every race. I don't remember this kind of a thing in history. Even though these races are boring us while watching them maybe we could be witnessing a season that will go down in history after long years. I was doubtful about Ferrari's performance in Monza to continue or not. However they managed to leave Friday behind quite nicely.

I think that with the new layout of the track we will see more overtakes.

Ferrari is competitive but in the race, if nothing happens to Max they will have no chances.

I am also thinking in that direction, that Sainz will be better than Leclerc, but not sure that either will end up on podium
TBH, except for Max, that is official winner of every race, even before it starts, all other drivers are pretty equal in chasing podium (not all, but those 7 from top teams), and I would prefer to choose Hamilton or Alonso over Sainz, no matter practice results

will see how will it go this week