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But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

And before that, we will have the final round of the Premier League on Sunday, with crucial matches taking place simultaneously. There will be a battle to avoid relegation and secure a favorable position, particularly for Everton, who haven't been in the second division for over 40 years.

I think it all depends on Leicester. Everton might not win, but it won't matter if Leicester can't find a way to get 3 points. I feel a bit bad for both teams. Everton was flying not so long ago under Ancelotti, that was great football. Leicester won the title less than 10 years ago, so we know they played amazing too. But they've just been really so bad this season both don't deserve to stay.

The worse thing for me is in their current shape, it might not even be easy in the lower league. Once you fall, it's a huge problem to come back up.

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Quote from: slaman29 on May 25, 2023, 05:17:58 AM

I would bet on at least 1 team dropping to Europa, maybe it is a BSFL question one round later Wink

I think that Manchester United of this season cannot be taken as a reference team,they had a lot of up and downs but most likely they have improved in these recent times and I think a few reinforcements will do good to them.For them I hate their coach as he was responsible for making Cristiano to go away in Saudi Arabia while I believe Cristiano has enough to give more to whatever league he plays,including the Premier League.

I think that for next season there is enough time for all the teams participating in Champions to get a couple of new players,harmonize them in the team and be ready to compete at a high level there.

Well you can hate the coach but he was also responsible for making United a better team. Making Rashford, even Martial, recover from their old ways and giving back their confidence.

Making the whole team better in confidence really, by taking away the problem, which is Ronaldo.

But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

And before that, we will have the final round of the Premier League on Sunday, with crucial matches taking place simultaneously. There will be a battle to avoid relegation and secure a favorable position, particularly for Everton, who haven't been in the second division for over 40 years.
Regarding Cristiano Ronaldo, it's possible that there may have been a discrepancy between what was communicated publicly and the actual decisions made by the coach. Coaches sometimes need to adapt their plans based on various factors such as player form, tactical considerations, and the overall dynamics of the team.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 26, 2023, 07:48:48 AM

I think that Manchester United of this season cannot be taken as a reference team,they had a lot of up and downs but most likely they have improved in these recent times and I think a few reinforcements will do good to them.For them I hate their coach as he was responsible for making Cristiano to go away in Saudi Arabia while I believe Cristiano has enough to give more to whatever league he plays,including the Premier League.

I think that for next season there is enough time for all the teams participating in Champions to get a couple of new players,harmonize them in the team and be ready to compete at a high level there.

Well you can hate the coach but he was also responsible for making United a better team. Making Rashford, even Martial, recover from their old ways and giving back their confidence.

Making the whole team better in confidence really, by taking away the problem, which is Ronaldo.

But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

Some people who are in love with Ronaldo will hate Tan Hag for making him leave, it wasn't really him that made him leave neither, it was the fact that he wasn't getting minutes, instead of being fine with that and working hard to get back in the lineup, Ronaldo decided to side with the money and left, I think it was a mutual deal.

Looking at how they are doing this year compared to last year, I think we can easily say that they are much better this year, last year they had a much worse situation and that is why I can understand how they are doing right now. It's obvious that not many people will be able to see that, they had Ronaldo last year, and not have it this year, and look at the difference to see how it wasn't really a terrible decision to begin with.

It may look like you describe it but trust me if Ronaldo were to be playing it would not be eliminated in Europa League by Sevilla this time which is the biggest disappointment of the year for all United fans,especially knowing the bad form of Sevilla during this season and Manchester were knocked down 3-0 in Spain,I bet a lot of money that this would have never happened if Cristiano was playing with them.

Maybe you are right that instead of him leaving he should have worked hard to get more minutes but aren't this kind of players that the coach should make some concessions in order to get him back in the team and to gain the form fast?This was the error of Ten Haag in my opinion.This Europa League elimination I am sure will remain in United fans minds during this season.

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Well you can hate the coach but he was also responsible for making United a better team. Making Rashford, even Martial, recover from their old ways and giving back their confidence.

Making the whole team better in confidence really, by taking away the problem, which is Ronaldo.

But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

Ten Hag's achievements this season are highly questionable - do you remember the beginning of the season? It was he who fully prepared the team for the season and suffered such crushing defeats. The situation stabilized only after urgent purchases and United were very lucky to be able to acquire the best defensive midfielder in the world - Casemiro.
As for Ronaldo, if Ten Hag behaved consistently, then everything would be OK for me even if he just kicked him out of the team, but he kept saying that Ronaldo was needed for United, that he was counting on him, but then obviously marinated him on the bench and everything he said was a lie.

I agree with you.He used Cristiano in order to make a name for himself and he showed not care at all for Manchester United as a team in his beginning so he started to leave Ronaldo on the bench as his name started to be seen in the news.It worked out well for him as he from not a so well known coach immediately skyrocketed himself to a very well known one by his doings.Now for Manchester United I don't think that it worked really well,they were lucky to get to Champions League and this was not because of them being a superior team but because the other teams really lost pace during the second part of the season and Manchester United took profit from it.

While I think they can pass the group stage I don't know with this kind of coach.

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Well you can hate the coach but he was also responsible for making United a better team. Making Rashford, even Martial, recover from their old ways and giving back their confidence.

Making the whole team better in confidence really, by taking away the problem, which is Ronaldo.

But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

Ten Hag's achievements this season are highly questionable - do you remember the beginning of the season? It was he who fully prepared the team for the season and suffered such crushing defeats. The situation stabilized only after urgent purchases and United were very lucky to be able to acquire the best defensive midfielder in the world - Casemiro.
As for Ronaldo, if Ten Hag behaved consistently, then everything would be OK for me even if he just kicked him out of the team, but he kept saying that Ronaldo was needed for United, that he was counting on him, but then obviously marinated him on the bench and everything he said was a lie.

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Quote from: slaman29 on May 25, 2023, 05:17:58 AM

I would bet on at least 1 team dropping to Europa, maybe it is a BSFL question one round later Wink

I think that Manchester United of this season cannot be taken as a reference team,they had a lot of up and downs but most likely they have improved in these recent times and I think a few reinforcements will do good to them.For them I hate their coach as he was responsible for making Cristiano to go away in Saudi Arabia while I believe Cristiano has enough to give more to whatever league he plays,including the Premier League.

I think that for next season there is enough time for all the teams participating in Champions to get a couple of new players,harmonize them in the team and be ready to compete at a high level there.

Well you can hate the coach but he was also responsible for making United a better team. Making Rashford, even Martial, recover from their old ways and giving back their confidence.

Making the whole team better in confidence really, by taking away the problem, which is Ronaldo.

But enough about CR7, I agree with Ulven, time to see Edin Dzeko and even ex United Mikhi a time to bow out on a grandstage

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Even without your wishes, this Newcastle team will not make it past the group stage of the CL unless they make some big move in the summer with some oil money. shame Manchester City, Arsenal, Man utd, and Newcastle United will be representing EPL in the CL next season it would be the weakest representation ever without Liverpool and Chelsea since we know only City will make it out of the group stage, the other three will be heading to the Europa league as usual.

I would strongly oppose your opinion or is it an analogy, without any other changes to this Newcastle side they'll do well to have advance past the round of 16 of this about to the concluded champions league, so unless there is general significant change to all other teams that will be present in the next season champions league, I don't believe Man United or even Newcastle at a risk of underrepresenting the EPL in the Champions league.

These were the Q/Final teams: Real Madrid, Chelsea, Benfica, Inter Milan, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, and Napoli. Do you think the current Newcastle squad would have stood a chance against any of these teams?

They had an amazing season, but it doesn't make them an elite team just yet; the CL isn't the Premier League, where you have many games to make up for bad ones. Looking at this Newcastle United team, we can agree that there are only 2-3 world class players in the squad, the other players had one of their best seasons and might dig next season.

I don't judge team based on just random recency biases and ifs or buts, I only judge based on the fact presented to me or I have access to, It's fine to assume that they are only having a good season, but If they have a good season in the Premier League, why would think it would be the other way in the Champions League, every English team's performance this season in the CL is almost proportional to their performance in the league as well, hence my opinion that wouldn't have had problem passing the group stages in this season.

You listed the quarter final teams, that's an extra round after the round of 16, but still speaking of this season I doubt there is any of the listed above that Newcastle would not have competed fairly against this season, They lost only 5 games so far this season in the PL and conceded joint least number of goals as Man City, so why would I expect any difference from them.

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Quote from: Woodie on May 25, 2023, 02:30:16 PM

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There is just something about City that off when it comes to such games and I dont see them taking this one home either!

would be glad to see this outcome, but cannot imagine that it is going to happen this year
quality difference is just to big to hope for that, there are teams that could compete with City, but they have kicked-out Bayern and Real this year, so can't say that had it easy in any way, and Inter is just to far from those teams
(if needed to predict Inter position in Premier league, they would probably be in lower part of the table, kicking with Fulham and Crystal Palace, if not fighting for relegation)

but I would like to see Dzeko lifting trophy, he can retire after that

in the world of football, surprises can happen, and underdogs can achieve remarkable success. While it may be difficult to imagine certain outcomes, the beauty of the sport lies in its unpredictability. If you are a fan of Dzeko, it is understandable that you would like to see him lift a trophy before potentially retiring. Wink

While it is true that Inter Milan may not have the same level of quality as teams like Bayern Munich and Real Madrid, it is important to note that football matches are often influenced by various factors such as tactics, form, injuries, and individual performances!!But on paper, City is the best in terms of playing quality. We will see what Pep can do and the approach he will adopt for the match.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 25, 2023, 10:55:12 AM

I will celebrate long and hard if Inter wins the CL. Pep and his 115 rule breaking charges might not get a better chance to win it with Man City. I expect them to win comfortably but I also expected them to beat Chelsea in the final a few years ago. I will be very happy if they lose to the underdog again. Anything can happen on a football pitch, come on Inter.

I don't know what to say about them,if they don't win this time the Champions League then I will bet everything I have that they will never ever win it in their lifetime.The odd of Manchester City is just 1.40 for a final clearly showing the huge disadvantage both teams have against each other.Manchester City is just keeping pace as yesterday they didn't win against Brighton and I saw the game,not because Brighton played better but because they don't play for anything as they are already Champions of the Premier League this year and their full focus is now on the Champions League.

I would also love for Inter to win and a 2/2 with an odd of 15 would be a bet I will try with little money to add a bit of spice to the final.

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Quote from: Woodie on May 25, 2023, 02:30:16 PM

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There is just something about City that off when it comes to such games and I dont see them taking this one home either!

would be glad to see this outcome, but cannot imagine that it is going to happen this year
quality difference is just to big to hope for that, there are teams that could compete with City, but they have kicked-out Bayern and Real this year, so can't say that had it easy in any way, and Inter is just to far from those teams
(if needed to predict Inter position in Premier league, they would probably be in lower part of the table, kicking with Fulham and Crystal Palace, if not fighting for relegation)

but I would like to see Dzeko lifting trophy, he can retire after that

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Watching this United vs Chelsea game am wondering how United isn't 2 goals up with all the wastes chances?

And how is Martial a number 9, just lacks the instinct of a striker from what I have seen so far...maybe lack of confidence Huh

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I will celebrate long and hard if Inter wins the CL.

Something tells me the champions league curse will follow them and won't bag this title!
There is just something about City that off when it comes to such games and I dont see them taking this one home either!
And best way to get City ,is either take the game all the way to penalties or score one early one and park the bus, the Italians should be good at this

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 25, 2023, 10:55:12 AM

I will celebrate long and hard if Inter wins the CL. Pep and his 115 rule breaking charges might not get a better chance to win it with Man City. I expect them to win comfortably but I also expected them to beat Chelsea in the final a few years ago. I will be very happy if they lose to the underdog again. Anything can happen on a football pitch, come on Inter.

I said it in this or in another thread i dont remember good when, but yes i think the same, its only ONE game, and everything can happen, also the previous lose of Macnhester City against Chelsea in that final its a very strong precedent.

I also think if Guardiola doesnt win this time with City he is not gonna win never the UCL with the City.

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I will celebrate long and hard if Inter wins the CL. Pep and his 115 rule breaking charges might not get a better chance to win it with Man City. I expect them to win comfortably but I also expected them to beat Chelsea in the final a few years ago. I will be very happy if they lose to the underdog again. Anything can happen on a football pitch, come on Inter.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 25, 2023, 08:44:22 AM

Even without your wishes, this Newcastle team will not make it past the group stage of the CL unless they make some big move in the summer with some oil money. shame Manchester City, Arsenal, Man utd, and Newcastle United will be representing EPL in the CL next season it would be the weakest representation ever without Liverpool and Chelsea since we know only City will make it out of the group stage, the other three will be heading to the Europa league as usual.

What's the point in the strength (there is still a question of whether it is) of Liverpool or Chelsea if they are destroyed by the first strong team that meets them in the Champions League? If Arsenal, Newcastle or United are lucky with their opponents they could even repeat last year's run of Liverpool all the way to the final - as I remember they had a very easy path.
Of course, it’s unusual to see the Champions League without Chelsea and Liverpool, but on the other hand, I’m already tired of the same games every year (Real generally has the same opponents in the playoffs for two years in a row).

Yeah, Real Madrid vs. Chelsea/Liverpool/Man City was becoming boring knowing that any team that beats Real Madrid in Semi always win in the final, maybe we'll see a change in matches this year with some new faces from the Bundesliga, EPL, and Serie A joining the competition.

Liverpool's path to the final last year will be funny- they played Inter Milan, Benfica, and Villarreal on their way to the final. Lucky Bastards. Grin

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Even without your wishes, this Newcastle team will not make it past the group stage of the CL unless they make some big move in the summer with some oil money. shame Manchester City, Arsenal, Man utd, and Newcastle United will be representing EPL in the CL next season it would be the weakest representation ever without Liverpool and Chelsea since we know only City will make it out of the group stage, the other three will be heading to the Europa league as usual.

What's the point in the strength (there is still a question of whether it is) of Liverpool or Chelsea if they are destroyed by the first strong team that meets them in the Champions League? If Arsenal, Newcastle or United are lucky with their opponents they could even repeat last year's run of Liverpool all the way to the final - as I remember they had a very easy path.
Of course, it’s unusual to see the Champions League without Chelsea and Liverpool, but on the other hand, I’m already tired of the same games every year (Real generally has the same opponents in the playoffs for two years in a row).

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Quote from: Harkorede on May 25, 2023, 07:16:55 AM

I think that Manchester United of this season cannot be taken as a reference team,they had a lot of up and downs but most likely they have improved in these recent times and I think a few reinforcements will do good to them.For them I hate their coach as he was responsible for making Cristiano to go away in Saudi Arabia while I believe Cristiano has enough to give more to whatever league he plays,including the Premier League.

Ronaldo caused his own exit. Don't blame it on the coach, who was only being honest with him; you don't bad-mouth your company while still under contract; the same thing got Conte sacked at Spur.

C.Ronaldo's time was up, and letting him leave the team was a better option; he is the type of player who is still hungry to win and play at the highest level; he lost his pace and was no longer contributing much to the team; he was trying to push himself, which was not really what the coach wanted.

Even without your wishes, this Newcastle team will not make it past the group stage of the CL unless they make some big move in the summer with some oil money. shame Manchester City, Arsenal, Man utd, and Newcastle United will be representing EPL in the CL next season it would be the weakest representation ever without Liverpool and Chelsea since we know only City will make it out of the group stage, the other three will be heading to the Europa league as usual.

I would strongly oppose your opinion or is it an analogy, without any other changes to this Newcastle side they'll do well to have advance past the round of 16 of this about to the concluded champions league, so unless there is general significant change to all other teams that will be present in the next season champions league, I don't believe Man United or even Newcastle at a risk of underrepresenting the EPL in the Champions league.

These were the Q/Final teams: Real Madrid, Chelsea, Benfica, Inter Milan, Manchester City, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, and Napoli. Do you think the current Newcastle squad would have stood a chance against any of these teams?

They had an amazing season, but it doesn't make them an elite team just yet; the CL isn't the Premier League, where you have many games to make up for bad ones. Looking at this Newcastle United team, we can agree that there are only 2-3 world class players in the squad, the other players had one of their best seasons and might dig next season.

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