Topic: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread - page 246. (Read 140819 times)

I want to be very clear! If Chelsea ends the season with a trophy and Spurs/Arsenal end the season above Chelsea on the table , can we say Chelsea had a more successful season? Trophy>position

$50 is fair enough.

I don't like first 2. How many teams qualifies for CL? 4 or 5. I am sure Chelsea can finish on 4th spot. The fight will be for that 3rd spot. I expect Arsenal to have good season but they will have their crises sooner or later and loose pace.

3rd one sounds ok if more successful season means just league standings. Let's word it as follows: "Chelsea to finish above Arsenal and Spurs in Premier League" for you to win the bet, otherwise I am winning. Even odds. I would make it 50$ rather then 100$ to make it more friendly but if you want 100 it is ok as well. If you are in just quote this part of the post and choose stake.

$100 ; Chelsea to qualify for the champions league next season?

$100; Arsenal not to qualify for top 4

$100; Chelsea to have a more successful season than Arsenal and Spur.

Your call?

You willing to put some money on that (20-50$)? Chelsea is listed as favorite for 3rd place at most bookies. I am giving you even odds that Chelsea finishes lower than that. So basically if Chelsea finishes 1-3 you win, if Chelsea finishes lower than that I win.

If you don't like that bet I am also giving you even odds that one from following 3 teams finishes above Chelsea: Spurs, United or Arsenal. Meaning any of them finish above Chelsea you lose.

And if you don't like either bet, hit me up with counter proposal or simply acknowledge that even you don't believe in Chelsea this season

Haha, Harkorede is fcking good!! I tried to break him twice but his comeback were massive 

Chelsea under Mourinho outperformed Spurs under Poch, Arsenal under Wenger. Pep Guardiola of Manchester City is one of the most underrated in EPL history, with the club walking the league for the past five seasons.

Lol. Just one bad preseason game and you've already predicted the season's outcome; I told you Arsenal and Manchester United are preseason merchants; don't let their performance fool you into thinking they'll do well when the real business begins. I love that we are the underdogs this season; we always outperform when the rest of the world has little faith in us. We still have 92% of the squad that won the Champions League, UEFA Super Cup, World Club Cup, and qualified for two domestic cup finals, our transfers aren't going as well as we would like due to the takeover, we were behind every other team, and we started late. I don't care how poorly we perform this season; there is no way we are letting Arsenal and Manchester United top us.

Who hasn't for Gunners?Even when we used to bet several years ago when Arsenal was under Wenger management and they were almost always at 4th place in the league,we used to bet a lot on them to win against Manchester United which was the dominant team at that times in Premier League,we loved Arsenal with Thierry Henry and company and I personally have won a lot of bets by betting on them even when they were not favorites.Unfortunately they are not the same anymore and I also truly hope this year this will change for good.

I hope so, I truly do. Always respected their style of play, philosophy, or rather, Wenger's ones anyway. Have been a bit disappointed in them for being lightweights (they've always kind of been post Invincibles but still so entertaining you forgive them) but they're usually such a joy to play against, if not mistaken Liverpool-Arsenal are the highest scoring fixtures in the past 10/20 years, and it's just because both love football against each other.

Would love to see Spurs do another City double =D

Chelsea looked dangerously bad tail end of last season and yeah, Sterling and others, doesn't really impress me at all.

Maybe this season will be the one that shoots Arsenal among elite once again. They are looking very good with Jesus spearheading their attack and all those youngsters supporting him. I am a bit afraid for their defence when it comes out to stopping best teams but their attack should be among the best in the league.

I always had a soft spot for gunners and hopefully we will se something great from them this season. That being said Spurs also look great and we could have one hell of a season.

If I had to pick one team that will underperform this season, it has to be Chelsea for me and I would not be surprised if they finish behind: City, LFC, Spurs, Arsenal and maybe even United.

Seems like we have a new resident knowledge-spewing guy in igehhh haha, well, I prefer when this thread has more character, almost at whatever the cost heh heh. Keep it up, but don't take it too personally Harkorede, I've been schooled on this thread perhaps by two guys too about Liverpool (no kidding) and it's cool. One isn't even playing in the pool boo, or at least never responded when I asked.

cryptofrka I amen all you say about coaches that make their teams punch above their weight. It's less about the amount of money you spend but what you got out of it.

I don't think anyone has ever said Chelsea or City's teams overperformed.

Spurs of Poch, Liverpool of Klopp, even of Rafa and Houllier, Arsenal of Wenger, plenty of times. Overperformers and always punching above their weight. Liverpool only got out of that stigma in the last season.

I look back on my old thoughts about Arsenal and warned them whining fans that they'd long for Wenger back.

Yeah - it's always tricky to say that a team did great if at the end they have nothing to show for it.

However - how I look at it is that I kinda list my favorites both for the PL and the CL at the start of the season and in that period Tottenham was constantly overachieving  and they did it without actually spending a lot of money.

They can be compared with Wenger's Arsenal in his final seasons, people made fun of them and they were always so close to winning big things on minor budgets.

I always have a soft spot for teams like these and I would have liked if Spurs won something during that time. Other than the CL final, of course

is there any trophies for Tottenham that I am not aware of?
just kidding, but I really do think that their fans are probably most frustrated with a fact that they are always so close to some winnings, but never win a thing

maybe it is better to be lower end team fan (as I cheer for Everton), not having trophy dreams each season, and win something here and there (once in a decade is more than enough) - or even winning titles each season, look at Bayern, they cannot be happy in the end, if they win Bundesliga, it is expected, so nothing to cheer about, and if they don't - they underperformed

Both are heavy spenders - but when comparing it from a coach's perspective, it is also quite important to see the state of the club when they took over.

For example - when Klopp came to Liverpool, it was clear as day that the team needed heavy investment. When Tuchel arrived at Chelsea - not so much.

Guardiola is spending huge amounts of money - that is non disputable. But he also has a lot of success and it's better to spend 700 million and win 10 trophies than to spend 400 million and win 1.

That's why I respect coaches like Klopp and Poch the most. They led Liverpool and Tottenham to great things without spending a lot of money.

You're the one making a mountain out of a molehill bro. It doesn't cost anything to be wrong man! I never said Man City have made better sale than Chelsea, it's you who brought that up as well, then I just had to let you know that Man City are also making from players sales, and I didn't include the current season sale in the figure I mentioned earlier. You're the one making everything up to suit your narrative.

I'm not making up their numbers, I don't need any reason to, and I stated my source earlier you can confirm it, but in your book 985,100 is significantly different from €1b as far as football is concerned. That's about €15m difference right ? and you said Kante cost just €30m right ?

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Note the currency here is pounds which was significantly more valuable at that time, not Euro.

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https://www.transfermarkt.com/ngolo-kante/transfers/spieler/225083

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4. Note the fee here is pounds as well

5. Note the fee here is pounds as well

6. Note the fee here is pounds as well and you said Batshuayi cost just €32.2m

You said I was increasing their value just to suit my €1B narrative, how petty would that have been of me ?...  

This is my last reply on this bro... Have a nice time, see you around and it was a nice convo tbh..

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I hope these posts of ours aren't off topic, and apologies to everyone if you all had to read these perhaps, irrelevant back and forth wall of texts...

I skipped that but Still €985,100m. Where is the €1b? Bro

Bro stop increasing their prices to suit your €1b transfer agenda, I know what you are trying to do man! Batshuayi €32.2m, Kante €30m, Luiz €34m, Alonso €23m= €119.3m

Manchester City's current sale is the club's largest since Pep took over. Don't twerk for them; Chelsea has fared better in that regard.

End the drama bro. We are holding the thread hostage. 

Just call it quits bro! Wow!

Where is the €247.20m spent in 2020/2021 Season ?? Or Kai Harvertz 80m, Werner €53m, Chilwell €50m, Ziyech €40m and Mendy €24m were all signed when ? or Chelsea never paid a dime for them?  737,900 + 247,200 = ? and mind you Chelsea spent €132m+ not €119.3m in 2016-17: Batshuayi €39m, Kante €35.8m, Luiz €35m, Alonso €23m... you might want to recheck your numbers bro.

Man City have also made players sale of over €400+m since Guardiola's arrival, you really need to pay attention to the figures and not just what the media portrays.

2016-2017: €119,300m, 2017-2018: €240,00m, 2018-2019: €185,600m, 2019-2020: €40m, 2020-2021: €0m, 2021-2022: €118,00m  = €737,900m  (excluding this summer transfer). Bro where did you see the €1b?

Not including Net spending! We had over €400+m from player sales.

Manchester City spending


Man you can't compare Manchester City's quality to that of Atletico Madrid. Any coach can do well at Manchester City with the funds and quality of the squad.

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I never gave any value about Man City's spending, you did! and to put the doubts over Man Utd's spendings and to put my reply on this matter to rest, here is Man Utd spending since Guardiola's arrival

• Pogba €105.00m
• Mkhitaryan €42.00m
• Bailly €38.00m
• Lindelof €35.00m
• Sanchez €34.00m
• Matic €44.70m
• Lukaku €84.70m
• Dalot €22.00m
• Fred €59.00m
• Grant €1.70m
• Maguire €87.00m
• Fernandes €63.00m
• Wan-Bissaka €55.00m
• Daniel James €17.80m
• Ighalo €12.00m (Loan Fee)
• van de Beek €39.00m
• Diallo €21.30m
• Telles €15.00m
• Pellistri €8.50m
• Sancho €85.00m
• Varane €40.00m
• Ronaldo €15.00m

The math for this should be easier than that of Chelsea since I included the players and their value... also excluding the over €70m spent so far in this window

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I really should dead this convo, but you're ignorant ? but concluded I'm wrong ? Lol. Chelsea ban lasted for only one transfer window (summer of 2019) since it was halved by CAS.

Chelsea signings since Guardiola joined City; Please, you do the math.

• Lukaku
• Saul (Loan fee)
• Havertz
• Werner
• Mendy
• Chilwell
• Ziyech
• Kovacic
• Kepa
• Jorginho
• Pulisic
• Higuan (Loan Fee)
• Morata
• Bakayoko
• Drinkwater
• Rudiger
• Zapacosta
• Emerson
• Giroud
• Barkley
• Ampadu
• Batshuayi
• Kante
• Luiz
• Marcos Alonso

That's excluding the €94.20m spent so far this season...


....You said defense wins you trophy innit ??  since Simeone could build a great defensive line but still spends as much as other big clubs does on strikers alone should indicate what offense also means to the team.

I guess it's pointless prolonging this convo any further, I've clearly as day made my points politely but, to each its own. ✌️

Man I'm certain you have no idea what you just wrote, man! I'm willing to bet my life that you're wrong about Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City's spending; I don't have time to look at the other clubs. (net spending not included) As previously stated, Manchester City has spent more than €1 billion under Pep.

These are pep spending since he came;

2016-2017: €215m, 2017-2018: €317.50m, 2018-2019: €78.59m, 2019-2020: €159.52m, 2020-2021: €172.30m, 2021-2022: 134.50, 2022-2023: still on. = €1.07b.

Chelsea are no where above €1bn... Haha  + transfer ban. I won't bring other clubs into this now as we are only talking about Pep.


Wtf! Both are still under Pep's purchase! Manchester City had three keepers before he arrived. Before Kepa arrived, Alisson was the most expensive goalkeeper. Conduct thorough research.

Man I only use Chelsea as an example of what defensive game can yield.

You have no point, man! They are all defenders, and their first task is to keep the ball out of the net. Other skills are bonus to the team. He didn't pay for them to come and score or assist.

How much did he spend on defense? That's the debate right?

Yes, because he was only concerned with a midfielder and a striker last season, as Aguero and Jesus were nearing the end of their ManCity careers. Man spent over €500+m over the last five years building his defensive line. You are twerking for him for not spending a dime last season?

You only fill where you are lacking.. Defense is okay.

Scoring 5 and concerning 5 is still a draw + zero goal diff.

A shaky defensive line cannot win a game. In order to win a game, the goal post must be protected. Did you see Barcelona and Chelsea's final ten games of the season? They were scoring for fun while also conceding. When your defensive line is weak, your entire team suffers. Possession is created from the back, not the front.

Man I had some coaching experience!

You can't control a game without a good defensive line, and you can't score a goal if you don't control the game.