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August 04, 2022, 07:18:39 AM
Really looking forward to kicking off the season, almost lost without it. Luckily the UFC has been keeping me busy, but I like having sport weekends, especially when Liverpool are playing on the Saturday, and then it goes straight into UFC in the evening.
VAR should be implemented like TMO is in rugby. We as fans watching on the TV get to listen to the ref, and the VAR officials discuss what they're looking at, and why. That puts emphasis on them being a little more fair, as there's been some truly mind boggling decisions since it has been implemented. That's not to say rugby gets it right every time, but it's better to hear their rationale about the decision at least.
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VAR should be implemented like TMO is in rugby. We as fans watching on the TV get to listen to the ref, and the VAR officials discuss what they're looking at, and why. That puts emphasis on them being a little more fair, as there's been some truly mind boggling decisions since it has been implemented. That's not to say rugby gets it right every time, but it's better to hear their rationale about the decision at least.
We've got 55 people signed up and paid now so I updated the payouts:
In that case, I'll be happy with a top 55 finish . 
August 04, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
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August 04, 2022, 07:11:50 AM
We've got 55 people signed up and paid now so I updated the payouts:
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Any additional players now will add another place each at 0.0025 up to 20 max and/or maybe I will do a consolation prize for the highest overall yellow cap.
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Any additional players now will add another place each at 0.0025 up to 20 max and/or maybe I will do a consolation prize for the highest overall yellow cap.
Is it just me or also you guys think that this year prizes so far are some of the best,when even the 15th place will get a nice 100 USD with the actual price of Bitcoin (who knows what could it be worth at the end of the tournament),these prizes should clearly spark even more engaging and more users signing up for the pool.The more the merrier and when prizes are up to 15 places you know we all have good chances to get a piece of the cake,so I think that this is the best pool so far with the best prizes from the moment I have been playing here.
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August 04, 2022, 06:49:45 AM
Where is the invitation link?
August 04, 2022, 03:38:46 AM
We've got 55 people signed up and paid now so I updated the payouts:
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Any additional players now will add another place each at 0.0025 up to 20 max and/or maybe I will do a consolation prize for the highest overall yellow cap.
It is, and most of us agree with it. The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere. If you say 'up to 5 cm there is no offside', you just moved the line to where 5.01 cm is offside and 4.99 cm is not and you have to measure it again.
Logically - the line is then set at 0 cm - and you get some absurd decisions.
It will get better with time - and some countries are already drawing fatter lines to avoid long checks and bizarre micrometer offsides.
Like I said before, allowing teams only three requests would put a stop to a lot of this. They'd think twice about requesting a very tight offside be challenged, then again I'm sure teams would use them for any goal hoping they can get it chalked off. They should probably consider changing the offside rule so you only need a part of your body to be onside. That would be much better. The amount of times that someone's legs have been onside but their shoulder or head has been offside is ridiculous.
Another annoying use of VAR is when a player is offside but isn't interfering with play, but they claim he could have put the keeper off or was in his line of sight or something. Well yeah, keepers generally aren't blind.
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Any additional players now will add another place each at 0.0025 up to 20 max and/or maybe I will do a consolation prize for the highest overall yellow cap.
In my opinion, a centimeter offside is absurd, since a player cannot control values of such a size - it turns out to be something like gambling: we will play and then VAR will show by the rule whether it was or not. As for the sole decision, this is normal - a sole decision also means sole responsibility.
It is, and most of us agree with it. The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere. If you say 'up to 5 cm there is no offside', you just moved the line to where 5.01 cm is offside and 4.99 cm is not and you have to measure it again.
Logically - the line is then set at 0 cm - and you get some absurd decisions.
It will get better with time - and some countries are already drawing fatter lines to avoid long checks and bizarre micrometer offsides.
Like I said before, allowing teams only three requests would put a stop to a lot of this. They'd think twice about requesting a very tight offside be challenged, then again I'm sure teams would use them for any goal hoping they can get it chalked off. They should probably consider changing the offside rule so you only need a part of your body to be onside. That would be much better. The amount of times that someone's legs have been onside but their shoulder or head has been offside is ridiculous.
I can't point one out on top of my head right now... But ok let's wait for the season to start and I'm pretty sure there will be a few that'll pop up. And it usually happens like the ref still makes the wrong call even after VAR. It's almost like they've already set their minds on the call even if the evidence in front of him says otherwise or at least argues against the call. League matches not so much happens. It's in the UCL I've noticed some shenanigans.
Another annoying use of VAR is when a player is offside but isn't interfering with play, but they claim he could have put the keeper off or was in his line of sight or something. Well yeah, keepers generally aren't blind.
August 04, 2022, 03:31:13 AM
What you listed changes the score in the game (in most cases) and therefore completely changes the whole game. I would not want this to be left to the subjective opinion of the referee. It will be unpleasant for me to watch the game knowing that, for example, the erroneous decision of the referee completely changed its result.
We were doing fine without VAR. And here's the thing, there were instances when the red called for VAR and watched the replay, they still got the call wrong. I mean isn't that what's riling everybody up? What's the use of VAR even if the interpretation of the data is still subjective to the guy making the calls?Anyway, I'm gonna log in my account now and go have a look around Superbru.
Has anybody made their predictions yet?To be honest, I do not understand what cases you are talking about. Are these cases where non-obvious offside rules are applied, as in the game France - Spain in the League of Nations when Mbappe scored from a "logical" offside position?
I can't point one out on top of my head right now... But ok let's wait for the season to start and I'm pretty sure there will be a few that'll pop up. And it usually happens like the ref still makes the wrong call even after VAR. It's almost like they've already set their minds on the call even if the evidence in front of him says otherwise or at least argues against the call. League matches not so much happens. It's in the UCL I've noticed some shenanigans.
Anyway, excited for the new season with these new interesting transfers.
August 03, 2022, 05:58:57 PM
I think a lot of people forgot some basical aspects of the law in general.
The Laws we made for "correct" some situations and they follow a "Spirit of the law", why its this important here?.
Its important because the spirit of the law in the offside, its to make the teams play with the ball and touching pass, and not left one striker alone and send to him long pass of 80 meters. I dont know if my explanation its very good because im not a native speaker, but i think its clearly to understand.
So, for me you can be ahead 5/10 cm ahead of the last defender, because you are not "taking advantage of the position", as human you cant measure this 5/10 cm in miliseconds, so you are not doing this with bad behaivor. You only was placed in that place at that time.
I agree with cryptofa also, with wide gap you dont resolve the main problem, but you are more fair. And the micro offside as i said above make no sense to me. ITS GOAL.
The Laws we made for "correct" some situations and they follow a "Spirit of the law", why its this important here?.
Its important because the spirit of the law in the offside, its to make the teams play with the ball and touching pass, and not left one striker alone and send to him long pass of 80 meters. I dont know if my explanation its very good because im not a native speaker, but i think its clearly to understand.
So, for me you can be ahead 5/10 cm ahead of the last defender, because you are not "taking advantage of the position", as human you cant measure this 5/10 cm in miliseconds, so you are not doing this with bad behaivor. You only was placed in that place at that time.
I agree with cryptofa also, with wide gap you dont resolve the main problem, but you are more fair. And the micro offside as i said above make no sense to me. ITS GOAL.
August 03, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
In my opinion, a centimeter offside is absurd, since a player cannot control values of such a size - it turns out to be something like gambling: we will play and then VAR will show by the rule whether it was or not. As for the sole decision, this is normal - a sole decision also means sole responsibility.
It is, and most of us agree with it. The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere. If you say 'up to 5 cm there is no offside', you just moved the line to where 5.01 cm is offside and 4.99 cm is not and you have to measure it again.
Logically - the line is then set at 0 cm - and you get some absurd decisions.
It will get better with time - and some countries are already drawing fatter lines to avoid long checks and bizarre micrometer offsides.
Yeah, I can't help but agree with you, if it was worth calling then it was worth calling right regardless if it's 0.001 cm and it's verifiable then it should be called, but my concern about the problem is that, if there wasn't a reason to check for offside in the first instance then don't bother to check at all, in as much as you have to check every goal for a possible infringement, then you'll always find some with the narrowest margin that are in the end considered to be absurd. If it can't be determined from the first glance or distinctively from the first line drawn then it shouldn't be considered as offside, but if you have to set a parameter for distance between the players, the problem will always remain, even if it's minimum of 6 feet distance. If you'll keep looking, you're likely to always keep finding.
August 03, 2022, 02:58:16 PM
In my opinion, a centimeter offside is absurd, since a player cannot control values of such a size - it turns out to be something like gambling: we will play and then VAR will show by the rule whether it was or not. As for the sole decision, this is normal - a sole decision also means sole responsibility.
It is, and most of us agree with it. The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere. If you say 'up to 5 cm there is no offside', you just moved the line to where 5.01 cm is offside and 4.99 cm is not and you have to measure it again.
Logically - the line is then set at 0 cm - and you get some absurd decisions.
It will get better with time - and some countries are already drawing fatter lines to avoid long checks and bizarre micrometer offsides.
August 03, 2022, 10:37:13 AM
What you listed changes the score in the game (in most cases) and therefore completely changes the whole game. I would not want this to be left to the subjective opinion of the referee. It will be unpleasant for me to watch the game knowing that, for example, the erroneous decision of the referee completely changed its result.
We were doing fine without VAR. And here's the thing, there were instances when the red called for VAR and watched the replay, they still got the call wrong. I mean isn't that what's riling everybody up? What's the use of VAR even if the interpretation of the data is still subjective to the guy making the calls?Anyway, I'm gonna log in my account now and go have a look around Superbru.
Has anybody made their predictions yet?To be honest, I do not understand what cases you are talking about. Are these cases where non-obvious offside rules are applied, as in the game France - Spain in the League of Nations when Mbappe scored from a "logical" offside position?
As long as is offside for real even for one centimeter the goal needs to be cancelled.What VAR does though is that it lets the referee interpret it,the main referee and not all the referees to come to a decision together,even when they come,the referees that follow the line for offside are often forced by the rule that the main referee takes,this is not that good as we have seen last year that the VAR decisions were clearly not correct from the main referee and the other supportive referees didn't raise their voice despite the VAR video showing a clear mistake from the main referee.VAR itself works,what it does not work is something else and that is called corruption because I don't know if the main referee made the mistake intentionally or unintentionally no matter what he says afterward.
In my opinion, a centimeter offside is absurd, since a player cannot control values of such a size - it turns out to be something like gambling: we will play and then VAR will show by the rule whether it was or not. As for the sole decision, this is normal - a sole decision also means sole responsibility.
August 03, 2022, 04:06:06 AM
I feel like VAR should be used in a more "relaxed" way. For instance if you have to watch a recording 20 times from multiple angles just to see if there was offside, contact or whatever....Screw that and let the game continue. VAR should be used to eliminate clear cut mistakes, if you can't see it when watched 3 times from 2 angles, keep the original call. Who cares about top of nose offsides?
I am a big supporter of VAR, but I agree that over-indulgence in it hurts. I remember about ten years ago there was a directive from either FIFA or UEFA to interpret controversial situations with offside in favor of the attackers - in order to increase the entertainment and effectiveness of games. Now with the introduction of VAR, goals are canceled due to centimetric offside, this is complete nonsense.
As long as is offside for real even for one centimeter the goal needs to be cancelled.What VAR does though is that it lets the referee interpret it,the main referee and not all the referees to come to a decision together,even when they come,the referees that follow the line for offside are often forced by the rule that the main referee takes,this is not that good as we have seen last year that the VAR decisions were clearly not correct from the main referee and the other supportive referees didn't raise their voice despite the VAR video showing a clear mistake from the main referee.VAR itself works,what it does not work is something else and that is called corruption because I don't know if the main referee made the mistake intentionally or unintentionally no matter what he says afterward.
August 03, 2022, 02:57:28 AM
I think there should be a rule that VAR should only be used if there's an offense made that's a red card. This is very important especially in critical matches that could impact a club's season. Hand balls, off sides, penalties.. We could do without VAR. This is just me but I accept the human factor of the gsme by leaving such decisions to the officials.
Anyway, when do we get the pool invite link? I want to take a peek and look around.
Superbru website can be confusing.
Anyway, when do we get the pool invite link? I want to take a peek and look around.
Superbru website can be confusing.What you listed changes the score in the game (in most cases) and therefore completely changes the whole game. I would not want this to be left to the subjective opinion of the referee. It will be unpleasant for me to watch the game knowing that, for example, the erroneous decision of the referee completely changed its result.
We were doing fine without VAR. And here's the thing, there were instances when the red called for VAR and watched the replay, they still got the call wrong. I mean isn't that what's riling everybody up? What's the use of VAR even if the interpretation of the data is still subjective to the guy making the calls?
Anyway, I'm gonna log in my account now and go have a look around Superbru.
Has anybody made their predictions yet? August 02, 2022, 05:26:03 PM
I feel like VAR should be used in a more "relaxed" way. For instance if you have to watch a recording 20 times from multiple angles just to see if there was offside, contact or whatever....Screw that and let the game continue. VAR should be used to eliminate clear cut mistakes, if you can't see it when watched 3 times from 2 angles, keep the original call. Who cares about top of nose offsides?
I am a big supporter of VAR, but I agree that over-indulgence in it hurts. I remember about ten years ago there was a directive from either FIFA or UEFA to interpret controversial situations with offside in favor of the attackers - in order to increase the entertainment and effectiveness of games. Now with the introduction of VAR, goals are canceled due to centimetric offside, this is complete nonsense.
August 02, 2022, 04:26:27 PM
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but would be really nice to see Nottingham Forest and Leeds buck that trend (certainly the latter to have learnt their lessons!).
but would be really nice to see Nottingham Forest and Leeds buck that trend (certainly the latter to have learnt their lessons!).
agree, would be really nice to see Forest within top10 this season, and to stabilize there
not that I am not a fan, but would rather see Leeds and Forest within top10, than West Ham, Leicester or Wolves, not to mention Brighton
nevertheless, with strong Forest and good Newcastle, season could be really interesting
It would be interesting to see Forest stay up in the league and avoid being relegated back to the championship, but I don't see them making the top 10 cut, they have a great fan base and a great history, but it would take them a long time to get back to being a big club again, a lot has changed since the last time they won the league and champions league.
It would be a huge surprised if Leeds United avoid relegation this season as they were few minutes away to the championship last season, they sold Raphinha and yet to see any serious business from them.
Leeds United avoiding relegation this season would be a huge surprise given that they were only a few minutes away from the championship last season, sold Raphinha and have yet to see any serious business from them.
West Ham and Newcastle will make us a lot of money this season, but be careful, they will also disappoint, particularly Newcastle.
August 02, 2022, 03:34:24 PM
VAR should be used to eliminate clear cut mistakes, if you can't see it when watched 3 times from 2 angles, keep the original call. Who cares about top of nose offsides?
From the fans POV, its completely annoying when the game is stopped for 3 minutes or so just to check on the VAR but I think this is just the beginning of the new era though. Its a sports that is played worldwide for years and will continue to be so for the upcoming years so yeah we'll probably have AI or something to check on the VAR in like 20 years from now to ensure the game is complete 'fair' for both sides
Having VAR changed the game in a completely better way though in some sense
August 02, 2022, 02:31:36 PM
~snip
but would be really nice to see Nottingham Forest and Leeds buck that trend (certainly the latter to have learnt their lessons!).
but would be really nice to see Nottingham Forest and Leeds buck that trend (certainly the latter to have learnt their lessons!).
agree, would be really nice to see Forest within top10 this season, and to stabilize there
not that I am not a fan, but would rather see Leeds and Forest within top10, than West Ham, Leicester or Wolves, not to mention Brighton
nevertheless, with strong Forest and good Newcastle, season could be really interesting
August 02, 2022, 12:21:15 PM
I think there should be a rule that VAR should only be used if there's an offense made that's a red card. This is very important especially in critical matches that could impact a club's season. Hand balls, off sides, penalties.. We could do without VAR. This is just me but I accept the human factor of the gsme by leaving such decisions to the officials.
Anyway, when do we get the pool invite link? I want to take a peek and look around. Superbru website can be confusing.
Anyway, when do we get the pool invite link? I want to take a peek and look around.
Superbru website can be confusing.Might as well get rid of it all together if that's all it's being used for. I think they should do a similar model as tennis do and each team gets three requests to query VAR. There's absolutely no need to check everything for any sort of infraction especially when nobody is complaining for anything. I've lost count of how many times kick off has been delayed by a minute or two to check a goal can't be disallowed for something and I'm like what the fuck are they checking for. They usually don't find anything either. Nobody cares about offsides being a millimetre off either. Half of the time on the close calls they can't get an accurate angle either as you need a straight line not an obtuse camera angle. VAR is definitely doing more harm than good to the game right now.
August 02, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
Another weird shift for me is odds on Forest... generally more favoured at books than the likes of Brentford and Bournemouth.
Haha, The two-time UEFA Champions League winner is up to something this season; they've been making some big moves in the transfer market, with 7 players already signed, and they're on a team overhaul. They have more money to play with than the other two promoted teams because they won the championship play-off(£170m). Tbh, I see them struggling, and starting a new team in the EPL would not bode well for them at first. Let's see, I already like them. They bigger than Spurs and Arsenal in my book. >: Ah yes, the most lucrative game(s) in all of football, Championship promotion playoffs. I really am personally happy to see them back, am old but not THAT old to remember them, maybe they get a new injection of fans. Norwich and Watford don't seem to know how to benefit from the big money on display but would be really nice to see Nottingham Forest and Leeds buck that trend (certainly the latter to have learnt their lessons!).
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