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I agree. We see especially how much Palmer has shined like a star at Chelsea after leaving Manchester City at the beginning of the previous season. Chelsea are also good this season.I think Palmer's condition can be a reason to encourage young players who can't find the playing time they want at Manchester City. I think Alvarez will show a very high level performance at a different team.


I think we keep mixing some things terms of playing time, Guardiola does what's best for the club and the squad at large, we all always talk about his heavy rotation policy and almost playing different starting XI every 2-3 matches, he's the only coach with which you can easily say all players gets some level of significant playing time, with even Chelsea that Palmer went to, how many players had to keep rotting on the bench ? even when we all know they're not terrible enough to not deserve some playing time, the thing is that these players from an individual stand point wants to play every time, I mean they're all human after all, and it will always come at the cost of other players too, so I'm really fine with each players seeking greener pasture or more playing time elsewhere, at end of the day you can only field 11 players at once.

I didn't want to criticize Guardiola. He is already doing the best he can to build the right squad. However it wasn't very possible for Alvarez to find so much chance to play while he had Haaland ahead of him. Therefore it was good for him to be transferred. I just wanted to say that Palmer's last season performance must have encouraged the players who want to leave Manchester City.

I pretty much understand, the game is the game, but then how many players have we seen willing to take a fast road out and ended up not even being able to find their foot in smaller clubs, maybe because I support Barcelona and I've seen a lot these kids (Bojan Krkik and Dennis Suarez are always the first names that pops to my head, really) simply because they've played in some really fantastic system that made it quite easy for them to shine in a lot of games even as 20-15 minutes cameos they believe they're are the next real deal and needs to step out of the shadows of the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and/ or Messi who are said to be always taking all the credits, and in less than a few years you kind even find their names on the Europe radar, while most of them are now in their very late 20s or even 30+ now and most of the time I think they're usually just being railroaded into those decisions, to me if the pay is pretty better then by all means go for it, for these clubs, it's just usually what's best for them at the end of the day, but when they pay aren't any better, and you get to play more but at the end of the day learn a lot less in terms of the caliber of players you're around and all that.
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I agree. We see especially how much Palmer has shined like a star at Chelsea after leaving Manchester City at the beginning of the previous season. Chelsea are also good this season.I think Palmer's condition can be a reason to encourage young players who can't find the playing time they want at Manchester City. I think Alvarez will show a very high level performance at a different team.


I think we keep mixing some things terms of playing time, Guardiola does what's best for the club and the squad at large, we all always talk about his heavy rotation policy and almost playing different starting XI every 2-3 matches, he's the only coach with which you can easily say all players gets some level of significant playing time, with even Chelsea that Palmer went to, how many players had to keep rotting on the bench ? even when we all know they're not terrible enough to not deserve some playing time, the thing is that these players from an individual stand point wants to play every time, I mean they're all human after all, and it will always come at the cost of other players too, so I'm really fine with each players seeking greener pasture or more playing time elsewhere, at end of the day you can only field 11 players at once.

I didn't want to criticize Guardiola. He is already doing the best he can to build the right squad. However it wasn't very possible for Alvarez to find so much chance to play while he had Haaland ahead of him. Therefore it was good for him to be transferred. I just wanted to say that Palmer's last season performance must have encouraged the players who want to leave Manchester City.
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No, West Ham has never been a pocher's dream club...West Ham's deep counter-attacking style.
Many poachers who like to play without the ball love a side like that, especially if they have some quick wingers who can get the ball up the flanks quickly and maybe a creative midfielder.

The S.I for attacking football is big chances created and Brighton created 67(9th) compared to Westham 58(15th)last season.  Yeah...
Fullkrug is not good with ball retention or stringing passes together, not a fit for Brighton or any other side that likes to play with the ball.

You were not tagged "Bus FC", you really were that  Grin

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Big move , great guy, saw few of his games at the Euros but I've never seen any striker ( Sebastien Haller, Marko Arnautovic....etc) survive so long at Westham except for Antonio, he should have moved to a more attacking team like Aston Villa or Brighton.
Maybe we watch a different West Ham, but they are a poacher's dream club.

Fullkrug will have a lot of joy waiting for the spaces to open up and with his build he can make a nuisance of himself in the box. Compared to similar level clubs, WestHam is an attacking side and score lots of goals probably scored more goals than Brighton last season, they just play very terribly on their off days.

No, West Ham has never been a pocher's dream club; they recruit strikers every season, but none of them have ever lived up to expectations. Antonia is the only one who appears to understand West Ham's deep counter-attacking style.

Scoring more goals does not make you an attacking team; the last time Chelsea were tagged "bus FC," we really had the most goals in the league and were not an attacking football club; we were only taking counter-attacking chances and everyone up front were all great finisher. (Similar to Westham)

The S.I for attacking football is big chances created and Brighton created 67(9th) compared to Westham 58(15th)last season.  Yeah...
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Big move , great guy, saw few of his games at the Euros but I've never seen any striker ( Sebastien Haller, Marko Arnautovic....etc) survive so long at Westham except for Antonio, he should have moved to a more attacking team like Aston Villa or Brighton.
Maybe we watch a different West Ham, but they are a poacher's dream club.

Fullkrug will have a lot of joy waiting for the spaces to open up and with his build he can make a nuisance of himself in the box. Compared to similar level clubs, WestHam is an attacking side and score lots of goals probably scored more goals than Brighton last season, they just play very terribly on their off days.

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I agree. We see especially how much Palmer has shined like a star at Chelsea after leaving Manchester City at the beginning of the previous season. Chelsea are also good this season.I think Palmer's condition can be a reason to encourage young players who can't find the playing time they want at Manchester City. I think Alvarez will show a very high level performance at a different team.


I think we keep mixing some things terms of playing time, Guardiola does what's best for the club and the squad at large, we all always talk about his heavy rotation policy and almost playing different starting XI every 2-3 matches, he's the only coach with which you can easily say all players gets some level of significant playing time, with even Chelsea that Palmer went to, how many players had to keep rotting on the bench ? even when we all know they're not terrible enough to not deserve some playing time, the thing is that these players from an individual stand point wants to play every time, I mean they're all human after all, and it will always come at the cost of other players too, so I'm really fine with each players seeking greener pasture or more playing time elsewhere, at end of the day you can only field 11 players at once.


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I think I might be the only one that doesn't buy too much into this Niclas Füllkrug transfer and I hope that I'll be very wrong, I mean he's got some fire going on and hunger for goals, but really, it just gives me some "Wout Weghorst" 2022 World Cup vibe...
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Zubimendi to LFC? I didn't see much of the guy, but what I did was actually very good.
I think he'll fit in nicely, but I'd still rather that we focus on our expiring contracts situation rather than bringing new players in.

Both can be done in parallel, sure, but it's of huge significance to know whether we count on Salah, VVD and Trent for the season.

Lol. Same Zubimendi the team had to show pictures of mountain, water and beautiful girls in the city trying to convince to sign new deal? The weird way of trying to convince a player to stay I've seen all my drinking life.

Goodnews Liverpool fans, I'm just coming from YouTube to watch Zubimendi and I can boldly say that if he stays fit he might reach Benoît Badiashile level someday..
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Man City doesn't need the money, Yeah. Is having the money not a better business move than a player who wants more than the club can afford to provide, it will only lead to further toxicity like the case of Joao Cancelo after the World Cup, with the way things were heading Alvarez mind seemed to be made up, and I don't think City can afford him more minutes than he's already getting, for a player that started 23 premier league games last season, according Man City website, he played in 54 games, and started in 39 of them in all competitions. He had the most games played in than any other Man City player last season, also had the most games started in than any other Man City attacker other than Foden and Haaland. I understand this doesn't translate into his level of importance for the club, but I think he's being considered a part of their imminent transition given the departure of Gundogan last season, De Bruyne almost left this season and is probably playing his final season with the club too, Alvarez look pretty much like the next in line to be a focal part of the face of the club imo, perhaps the club could have had better dialogue, I just don't think Alvarez camp was in for it, I mean as a player that young, he's won it all too in terms of trophies right ? aside for personal accolades which I think he would stand a better chance too away from City as an individual.

Stats source: https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/season-overview-julian-alvarez-63853709#:~:text=Alvarez%20finished%20the%20season%20with,19%20goals%20and%2013%20assists.

I agree. We see especially how much Palmer has shined like a star at Chelsea after leaving Manchester City at the beginning of the previous season. Chelsea are also good this season.I think Palmer's condition can be a reason to encourage young players who can't find the playing time they want at Manchester City. I think Alvarez will show a very high level performance at a different team.
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Zubimendi to LFC? I didn't see much of the guy, but what I did was actually very good.
I think he'll fit in nicely, but I'd still rather that we focus on our expiring contracts situation rather than bringing new players in.

Both can be done in parallel, sure, but it's of huge significance to know whether we count on Salah, VVD and Trent for the season.
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I can't wait to see how he's partnership with Griezmann would unlock better attacking opportunities, and with Gallagher is an engine room, this should be fun even, Atletico for once seem to be going more for offense this season...
They usually do not have any shortage of strikers and still play their regular type of football, they however are looking to make a shift from the style of play we are familiar with. The Laliga is looking to be exciting for next season.

My favorite signing of this window has been Niclas Fullkrug. He had a dream season for his club and also his country. I hope he lights up the EPL

Big move , great guy, saw few of his games at the Euros but I've never seen any striker ( Sebastien Haller, Marko Arnautovic....etc) survive so long at Westham except for Antonio, he should have moved to a more attacking team like Aston Villa or Brighton.
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I can't wait to see how he's partnership with Griezmann would unlock better attacking opportunities, and with Gallagher is an engine room, this should be fun even, Atletico for once seem to be going more for offense this season...
They usually do not have any shortage of strikers and still play their regular type of football, they however are looking to make a shift from the style of play we are familiar with. The Laliga is looking to be exciting for next season.

My favorite signing of this window has been Niclas Fullkrug. He had a dream season for his club and also his country. I hope he lights up the EPL

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My point is with Joao Neves at 19 and the position he plays in which PSG have plethora of player options you're just probably getting Renato Sanchez Pro Max, and Xavi Simons is a much better option for PSG to have right now because he's their player already and is PSG playing in a more competitive league than Leipzig, I don't think so, and I wouldn't have Barcola as my sole Mbappe replacement and send Xavi Simons out on loan, I barely watched Simons at Euros, but I watched him with Leipzig last season and didn't expect another loan move for him, Xavi Simons isn't an outright winger he's more of an attacking midfielder, and PSG still have plethora of strikers enough that they said they can't sign Alvarez or Osimhen unless another striker leaves the club.

Perhaps he prefers it there; we can all agree it is a better league than the French league. I wouldn't be surprised if he moved there permanently next season.

Yes, perhaps! That's the best answer that he prefers it there because he reportedly turned down a possible to Bayern Munich as well, and as for RB Leipzig, having sold Dani Olmo, even without selling Olmo they could have signed Simons on a permanent basis, but PSG weren't opened to a final sale as far as I can tell from what  I learnt from the story, there is even no form option to sign clause included in the loan deal.


He'll always be in his shadow; it must be difficult for a top striker like him to not know where he fits in the team, as he's picked at random whenever Pep wants... At his age, he needs stability. He will get that at ATM.
He does not walk into the Atletico squad either. I think his style of play suits Spanish football more but he will still need to fight for his spot in the team, especially to be the center forward, with how versatile he is any coach will be tempted to try him in different roles.

ATM frequently uses a 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 system, which provides lots of room up front for Alvarez; there is no way he will sit on the bench for a team that has Angel Correa and Morata up front. None of these are better than him right now; he provides more flexibility to a team than Morata and co.

And with Morata gone it'll be a lock for him to be their new star.

I can't wait to see how he's partnership with Griezmann would unlock better attacking opportunities, and with Gallagher is an engine room, this should be fun even, Atletico for once seem to be going more for offense this season, perhaps having saw what Girona's attack did lasts season they know defense alone is never going to cut it with the level development that is coming into play from perceived smaller clubs.
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Meh.
He'll always be in his shadow; it must be difficult for a top striker like him to not know where he fits in the team, as he's picked at random whenever Pep wants... At his age, he needs stability. He will get that at ATM.
He does not walk into the Atletico squad either. I think his style of play suits Spanish football more but he will still need to fight for his spot in the team, especially to be the center forward, with how versatile he is any coach will be tempted to try him in different roles.

ATM frequently uses a 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 system, which provides lots of room up front for Alvarez; there is no way he will sit on the bench for a team that has Angel Correa and Morata up front. None of these are better than him right now; he provides more flexibility to a team than Morata and co.

And with Morata gone it'll be a lock for him to be their new star.
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He'll always be in his shadow; it must be difficult for a top striker like him to not know where he fits in the team, as he's picked at random whenever Pep wants... At his age, he needs stability. He will get that at ATM.
He does not walk into the Atletico squad either. I think his style of play suits Spanish football more but he will still need to fight for his spot in the team, especially to be the center forward, with how versatile he is any coach will be tempted to try him in different roles.

ATM frequently uses a 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 system, which provides lots of room up front for Alvarez; there is no way he will sit on the bench for a team that has Angel Correa and Morata up front. None of these are better than him right now; he provides more flexibility to a team than Morata and co.

My point is with Joao Neves at 19 and the position he plays in which PSG have plethora of player options you're just probably getting Renato Sanchez Pro Max, and Xavi Simons is a much better option for PSG to have right now because he's their player already and is PSG playing in a more competitive league than Leipzig, I don't think so, and I wouldn't have Barcola as my sole Mbappe replacement and send Xavi Simons out on loan, I barely watched Simons at Euros, but I watched him with Leipzig last season and didn't expect another loan move for him, Xavi Simons isn't an outright winger he's more of an attacking midfielder, and PSG still have plethora of strikers enough that they said they can't sign Alvarez or Osimhen unless another striker leaves the club.

Perhaps he prefers it there; we can all agree it is a better league than the French league. I wouldn't be surprised if he moved there permanently next season.
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PSG are behaving broke these days and do not longer want to invest like fools, they've learnt their lessons.

Apologies for double posting, I just had to keep this one separate...

PSG still look pretty dumber to me, you sign Joao Neves for over £50m, while sending Renato Sanchez the other way as part of the deal (on a loan btw), and the same team is loaning out Xavi Simons yet again to RB Leipzig for another season while being interested Alvarez ? I mean I'm struggling so hard to make the most sense out of these web of fcukery from them, who is calling these shots, the club manager, sporting director or is it the club president Al-khelaifi himself ??

I haven't seen Joao Neves play, but when you mentioned Renato Sanchez going the other way as part of the deal, I assumed it was a good deal for PSG; Renato Sanchez and Bakayoko are on the same level, and everyone else is better than them.

Xavi Simons is good, but if you observe him closely, you would realise he's still lacking experience, and the continued loan at RB Leipzig is going to benefit him a lot, so let us not get carried away by the  Euros performance, he is not the one to fill Mbappe's shoe; they needed someone more experienced in that position.( Alvarez/Osimhen). Not a bad call isn't it?

My point is with Joao Neves at 19 and the position he plays in which PSG have plethora of player options you're just probably getting Renato Sanchez Pro Max, and Xavi Simons is a much better option for PSG to have right now because he's their player already and is PSG playing in a more competitive league than Leipzig, I don't think so, and I wouldn't have Barcola as my sole Mbappe replacement and send Xavi Simons out on loan, I barely watched Simons at Euros, but I watched him with Leipzig last season and didn't expect another loan move for him, Xavi Simons isn't an outright winger he's more of an attacking midfielder, and PSG still have plethora of strikers enough that they said they can't sign Alvarez or Osimhen unless another striker leaves the club.
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He'll always be in his shadow; it must be difficult for a top striker like him to not know where he fits in the team, as he's picked at random whenever Pep wants... At his age, he needs stability. He will get that at ATM.
He does not walk into the Atletico squad either. I think his style of play suits Spanish football more but he will still need to fight for his spot in the team, especially to be the center forward, with how versatile he is any coach will be tempted to try him in different roles.

I would have kept him, he played a lot and played great last season. If I was Alvarez and was looking for a place to settle, Atletico would be really low on the list.
Pep has always prided himself in not keeping a player that does not want to be kept, could be what played out there. Although, I sense they have pulled a few strings over the years to keep Bernado Silva there with the continued rumors of a desired move.

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PSG are behaving broke these days and do not longer want to invest like fools, they've learnt their lessons.

Apologies for double posting, I just had to keep this one separate...

PSG still look pretty dumber to me, you sign Joao Neves for over £50m, while sending Renato Sanchez the other way as part of the deal (on a loan btw), and the same team is loaning out Xavi Simons yet again to RB Leipzig for another season while being interested Alvarez ? I mean I'm struggling so hard to make the most sense out of these web of fcukery from them, who is calling these shots, the club manager, sporting director or is it the club president Al-khelaifi himself ??

I haven't seen Joao Neves play, but when you mentioned Renato Sanchez going the other way as part of the deal, I assumed it was a good deal for PSG; Renato Sanchez and Bakayoko are on the same level, and everyone else is better than them.

Xavi Simons is good, but if you observe him closely, you would realise he's still lacking experience, and the continued loan at RB Leipzig is going to benefit him a lot, so let us not get carried away by the  Euros performance, he is not the one to fill Mbappe's shoe; they needed someone more experienced in that position.( Alvarez/Osimhen). Not a bad call isn't it?
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PSG are behaving broke these days and do not longer want to invest like fools, they've learnt their lessons.

Apologies for double posting, I just had to keep this one separate...

PSG still look pretty dumber to me, you sign Joao Neves for over £50m, while sending Renato Sanchez the other way as part of the deal (on a loan btw), and the same team is loaning out Xavi Simons yet again to RB Leipzig for another season while being interested Alvarez ? I mean I'm struggling so hard to make the most sense out of these web of fcukery from them, who is calling these shots, the club manager, sporting director or is it the club president Al-khelaifi himself ??
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Financially - selling Alvarez is a great deal. But does City need the money?
I would have kept him, he played a lot and played great last season. If I was Alvarez and was looking for a place to settle, Atletico would be really low on the list.

Weird transfer from all angles.

@igebotz - theres a silver lining for you there - you're getting rid of Gallagher.


Man City doesn't need the money, Yeah. Is having the money not a better business move than a player who wants more than the club can afford to provide, it will only lead to further toxicity like the case of Joao Cancelo after the World Cup, with the way things were heading Alvarez mind seemed to be made up, and I don't think City can afford him more minutes than he's already getting, for a player that started 23 premier league games last season, according Man City website, he played in 54 games, and started in 39 of them in all competitions. He had the most games played in than any other Man City player last season, also had the most games started in than any other Man City attacker other than Foden and Haaland. I understand this doesn't translate into his level of importance for the club, but I think he's being considered a part of their imminent transition given the departure of Gundogan last season, De Bruyne almost left this season and is probably playing his final season with the club too, Alvarez look pretty much like the next in line to be a focal part of the face of the club imo, perhaps the club could have had better dialogue, I just don't think Alvarez camp was in for it, I mean as a player that young, he's won it all too in terms of trophies right ? aside for personal accolades which I think he would stand a better chance too away from City as an individual.

Stats source: https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/season-overview-julian-alvarez-63853709#:~:text=Alvarez%20finished%20the%20season%20with,19%20goals%20and%2013%20assists.
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Financially - selling Alvarez is a great deal. But does City need the money?
I would have kept him, he played a lot and played great last season. If I was Alvarez and was looking for a place to settle, Atletico would be really low on the list.

Weird transfer from all angles.

@igebotz - theres a silver lining for you there - you're getting rid of Gallagher.

City didn't want to sell, it was Alvarez decision to find stability somewhere else, being a bench player for both club and country must be really hard, he saw what Palmer became after leaving his comfort zone. There were not too many options for him BTW. PSG are behaving broke these days and do not longer want to invest like fools, they've learnt their lessons.

Gallagher sale was long overdue but getting Samu for £35m feels.like we sold Gallagher for nothing. The Samu guy was so bad that ATM had to send him away on loan, that's the guy we're getting. Lol
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