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Regarding Boxing and MMA - there was 1 question. We'd like to put more, but never know what are big events because there are simply too many.
You can help us with this - just let us know when something really important is happening there and we'll try to fit it in the questions.

I think you can draw a conclusion from @jeremypwr threads too, but those just do come some later than the question deadline, but he often post the big MMA or Boxing matches.

About "esports", I think the Oxford definition for sports must change also to fit in esports and chess and whatever other "Games" who want to be classified as sports":

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activity that you do for pleasure and that needs physical effort or skill, usually done in a special area and according to fixed rules

My friends argue you need physical skill and effort to tap a keyboard, and to press the timer for chess, so I guess it counts Tongue

Yeah you do need a physical skill, for football it's not just about physicality being a player like Ronaldo, Messi and Neymar require a high football IQ which in my opinion psychological, while eSport other than pressing the keyboard require a vast IQ level to be able to compete at the high level of IQ as well.

data received by a heart rate monitor on a chest. A timeline of heart rate data is connected to heart rate variability (HRV), and HRV is connected to mental stress and arousal [61], which might affect the rationality of player decisions.
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About "esports", I think the Oxford definition for sports must change also to fit in esports and chess and whatever other "Games" who want to be classified as sports":

So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

Fear not my relegation brother, we will rise like a phoenix from the ashes and get promoted to division 1 (well that’s the plan any way.

Looking forward to hopefully doing much better in season 2.

That's the spirit! We will become Norwich and Watford (for their back to EPL seasons not after that lol) and remind everyone we are a force to be considered Wink

GL to us both!!
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@Strongkored I have Ons Jabeur Quarter 2 outright at almost 4/1, women's didn't have an outright winner market when I checked, might be available after today, I'd definitely double down on her. Not expected to win so soon after recovery but I like the odds.
She will play against Olga Danilović today, looks like she will pass this round but won't go further because this year she hasn't been that impressive in major tournaments.
What will be interesting in my opinion for the women's section is the match between two very young tennis players under 20 years old Mirra Andreeva vs Coco Gauff, the odds are not much different so this will be quite balanced in my opinion
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With the expectation that there is for the new season, only for this round the questions cannot come out, today, tomorrow or Sunday...

The questions are coming tomorrow, the deadline will be Tuesday as usual.

OK, but that is not what happened before, we already had questions in BSFL with esports, games, dota and stuff that has nothing to do with real sport events.
Than I am asking you to please add more combat sports like Boxing and MMA events, this can be from UFC, PFL, Bellator and other MMA organizations.
I need to have some advantage for Division 1 promotion with combat sports I am following Wink

Trofo rage incoming in 3..2..1.. Grin

I kinda agree with you, I hate esports. But they are considered as sports, they are even applying to be in the Olympic games. Weird times we live in, yeah.

Regarding Boxing and MMA - there was 1 question. We'd like to put more, but never know what are big events because there are simply too many.
You can help us with this - just let us know when something really important is happening there and we'll try to fit it in the questions.
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Season 1 History
For purposes of freeing up space in OP and still keeping it available


Division 1
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Only sports questions will ever be in BSFL - so no Eurosong, Oscars, presidential elections or BTC prices Grin
OK, but that is not what happened before, we already had questions in BSFL with esports, games, dota and stuff that has nothing to do with real sport events.
Than I am asking you to please add more combat sports like Boxing and MMA events, this can be from UFC, PFL, Bellator and other MMA organizations.
I need to have some advantage for Division 1 promotion with combat sports I am following Wink
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So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

Fear not my relegation brother, we will rise like a phoenix from the ashes and get promoted to division 1 (well that’s the plan any way.

Looking forward to hopefully doing much better in season 2.

I hope you guys two bounce back to division 1 next season !

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It would lead to too much guessing (especially in tennis) - which we fully want to avoid.
Use all the data that you can until the deadline, if you're late you will get a small penalty and that's it.

Yeah this is pretty much the essence of BSFL as well. Some people need to realize that every player need to maximize everything that we can use including time and data from the sports that needs to be analyzed. I mean yeah its pretty much luck dependant at some point but as long as we submit before deadline then everything is okay
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@famososMuertos @mv1986 I agree Div2 is pretty damned impressive for getting the most points, but on the other hand, it suggests poorer opponents. One might argue that the division with the most points dropped is actually the toughest (most competitive), since matches are always so tight -- in which case Div3 is actually the most competitive league in the maiden season Wink

On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

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Very well, defending your div 1, surely my opinions will change when I'm there soon, in any case today's reality is that we are very sad about the points that escape us to Div 1.  SmileyEmbarrassed
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With the expectation that there is for the new season, only for this round the questions cannot come out, today, tomorrow or Sunday...
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I’m not familiar on football categories. It’s good thing that BSFL is well balanced sports quiz tournament.
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Neither am I; which is why I'm still surprised I took 2nd place in Season 1 despite 75% of the questions (83/110) being about football  Grin

Like I always say go with your gut. Grin Grin
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I’m not familiar on football categories. It’s good thing that BSFL is well balanced sports quiz tournament.
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Neither am I; which is why I'm still surprised I took 2nd place in Season 1 despite 75% of the questions (83/110) being about football  Grin
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Would be fantastic if Royal Ascot can be covered too Smiley
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I’m very excited on this new season. I already re-installed again my notification bot on telegram just to make sure I won’t miss the submission. I will try my best to keep up and climb ranks despite I’m not familiar on football categories. It’s good thing that BSFL is well balanced sports quiz tournament.

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On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

Nice analysis - with 1 mistake though.
Div3 has a 40.2 average - it had 1 round less to play.

If you take player averages - Division 3 has 2 players in the top 3.
The best would be slackovic with a 4.63 average, followed by Woodie (4.6) and myself (4.5).

I think nobody else is above 4.28.
Thanks cryptofrka for the correction!

it's funny how everybody has missed this fine detail that Division 3 had played a round less than other divisions and gone further to label it the weakest , ouch that hurt Roll Eyes

Otherwise all i can say, D3 was definitely super competitive, and no one can take that away.

Hope whoever goes into Division 3 from the top league wins it easy to prove their point on its low competency, otherwise goodluck  Tongue
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On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

Nice analysis - with 1 mistake though.
Div3 has a 40.2 average - it had 1 round less to play.

If you take player averages - Division 3 has 2 players in the top 3.
The best would be slackovic with a 4.63 average, followed by Woodie (4.6) and myself (4.5).

I think nobody else is above 4.28.
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@famososMuertos @mv1986 I agree Div2 is pretty damned impressive for getting the most points, but on the other hand, it suggests poorer opponents. One might argue that the division with the most points dropped is actually the toughest (most competitive), since matches are always so tight -- in which case Div3 is actually the most competitive league in the maiden season Wink

On competency (how good players are) Average Goals Scored would be the better indicator, since you need to get a question right, or answer more accurately than the opponent, to score a point. You'll see that Div1 (40.08) and Div2 (40.67) are much closer in that aspect (though Div2 still comes up on top). Div3 is significantly lower in that regard, with only 402 goals (36.55 average) scored.

Didn't adjust numbers for late answers or missed rounds... I believe that only happened in Div3?

@Strongkored I have Ons Jabeur Quarter 2 outright at almost 4/1, women's didn't have an outright winner market when I checked, might be available after today, I'd definitely double down on her. Not expected to win so soon after recovery but I like the odds.

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So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

Fear not my relegation brother, we will rise like a phoenix from the ashes and get promoted to division 1 (well that’s the plan any way.

Looking forward to hopefully doing much better in season 2.
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I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

I don't have anything against rewarding people for early submissions. But those who voids their first couple of questions by submitting the answers after the deadline should be punished somehow. I like the idea of deducting points for those who submit their answers after the deadline. I understand that people mostly don't do it intentionally, but it gives an unfair advantage to the opponent for that week because he/she gets a free point or two.
There will not be a reward for early submissions. Point is to allow all time zones and busy people enough time to get their answers for every single round. Life would be much easier for us and tennis questions would be much better if we had a time frame of 2 hours instead 48hours for you guys to give answers.


And I don't really see why draws are a problem? As cryptofrka said we aimed to get real football results spread and if anything we have too little draws Smiley I agree they are a problem in H2H questions where we ask for multiple players and everybody gives same answer. We will try to remedy that.
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I read through most of these, here are some overviews:

edit: IMO, more than two options are great for each answer, when there are two (Yes/No), there is also a lot of draws/same answers
correct me if wrong @buwaytress but I think you had few rounds with almost all answers same and competition finished on mid-week (winner known due to one/two different answers already resolved)?

We plan to always have some 'easy' questions - the goal is to aim for 4-6 correct answers per player. The Yes/No questions are here to stay but there are usually 1 or 2 such questions per round.
Regarding the second point - that's something we don't want to see but is more random than initially thought - we did the analysis on that.

We had over 200 H2H duels (including the cup) - and it really does not happen that often. Also - there are rarely questions where players pick 70%+ of the same outcomes - which is something we are trying to avoid and are happy to see that it does not happen often.
mv1986 made the analysis for draws - we are thrilled with the percentage because it's really close to the 'real' football draw percentage - and that's exactly what we were trying to achieve.

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.

Not possible - we can't manage H2H questions or penalty questions and can't do the cup there. Also we couldn't calculate the weekly freebets correctly.
Google forms are easy to use and Excel helps us tremendously when analyzing.
It also lets you see easily what your opponent picked - which would take a lot more time on a page like Superbru.

One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

It would lead to too much guessing (especially in tennis) - which we fully want to avoid.
Use all the data that you can until the deadline, if you're late you will get a small penalty and that's it.

There are a lot of players in Division 3 and it wont be easy to keep up with first two division, maybe you should have early play off matches that would cut off some players earlier.
I am also proposing to always add one bonus question in each round, in case any other game is canceled that would count instead and it can be used to decide winners when two players have same points.
One more thing, summer is coming and there will be less sports events but we can replace that with prediction for Bitcoin blocks or Bitcoin price.

If we run 2 Divisions 3, then no worries. If we run one, we'll have double rounds during some weeks. We want to have a big playerbase, so most who want to play will be able to.
Bonus questions won't be introduced unless we see that we're having a lot of cancelled games, it happened only once I think in Season 1.

Only sports questions will ever be in BSFL - so no Eurosong, Oscars, presidential elections or BTC prices Grin

Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

Tennis questions will surely be revised - we know how you bet. When you're not familiar with something, you just look at the odds and pick the favorites.
We implemented some great questions in theory (NBA scorers, 5 football goalscorers..) but were quite unlucky with the games - they had bizarre outcomes so the questions ended mostly with draws as well.

We plan to game a bit more with such questions, but will try to make them a bit more bulletproof to weird outcomes. We do need to have some H2H questions (we like these) and it's hard to write these because most of you are taking the 'easy' way out. We'll find a way though Grin
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I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

I don't have anything against rewarding people for early submissions. But those who voids their first couple of questions by submitting the answers after the deadline should be punished somehow. I like the idea of deducting points for those who submit their answers after the deadline. I understand that people mostly don't do it intentionally, but it gives an unfair advantage to the opponent for that week because he/she gets a free point or two.
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So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

However, if everyone agrees with famososMuertos suggestion than I would have won a prize already to carry Slissy's bags to the stadium lol Too bad to make that happen someone has to deal with my internal travel issue, which is more difficult than money  Tongue

I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.
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