Topic: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ - page 510. (Read 106904 times)

Yeah, I don't think there should be any punishment for those who submit right before the deadline, so far it's even just a second before the deadline, neither should there be a reward for submitting a early the essence of the 48 hours is do proper research and submitting early might eliminate a lot of information which in the end basically just gives some free point/advantage that is not so different from submitting late as well.

I believe it's best not to overcomplicate things and just go with usual rule of deadlines as it works in all the sports betting we are accustomed too, you don't get any advantage for submitted your predictions early and even in FPL making a transfer way too early could even be detrimental to your team.

Why bother with this though. I personally think google forms is pretty simple and neat already


I think it is essentially part of the game and that really makes it different when someone is actually trying to play to win compared to someone that play for fun. If there is actually extra merit on submitting early then everyone would submit in early which is kinda weird. I dont think its fair to 'punish' someone that done their fair share of research then submit answers in the last minute.

Better be careful with that idea, some might value the trip to a game in the PL a lot and it makes it worth it lose every single round

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Keep in mind here that division 3 had 11 games less than division 1 and 2. But when you take the points average the order is still the right one, though division 1 and division 3 are almost equal whereas division 2 indeed performed significantly better! @slackovic dominated hard and @vd309 as well, being better as the 1st of both other divisions.
I hope I won't pull down the points average in the upcoming seasons or division 2

I think that for a new season, the one who achieves zero in losses should have the right to a trip to watch a game in the PL and the one who gets zero in "W" should carry their bags.

Another point that has been touched on here, AI, we have them are called Slissy V. 1.0.0, slackovic V.1.2.0 and Woodie V.0.2.1.

On the other hand, a plate should be awarded to the best division or all its players should be entitled to a wild card.
Div2: 209 points.
Div1: 182 points.
Div3: 150 points.

That shows that Div 2 is the most competitive, hyper-against-mega cool.

Perhaps this does not add much to what the league commissioner expects, but it means that we only wait for the initial whistle, the kickoff, the flag... etc-sports*.
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The last edition was near perfect for me, but as the saying goes there is always room for improvement, my only observation would have been proper wording of each question, but as I've noticed sometimes that decoding the question itself is part of the answer so, I'm good with that and given the penalty for those late submission is another good implementation imo, I've seen potential several sports that are likely to be added, from the conversations here so far, but there haven't been much or any talk about eSports like CS:GO, I know for a fact here some of us from the forum do switch to those eSport during off season of football and I remember having Dota2 question during one of those weeks, can we expect some of the same in these periods too ?

Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

IIRC in IO, Trofo and maybe a couple of others were the only ones who went for Rune in one of the tennis as finalists, I thought that was inspired and deserved some kind of half point haha.

And in a previous ATP, someone else also was the only one to pick one right non-favourite finalist -- yet they ended up drawing (I think because the other finalist was wrong). Such a big risk to take, and it didn't pay off. Maybe a further tiebreaker section for tennis, I agree it's way too important to skip: add something like: Number of games?

@casperBGD indeed, there was a round where everything was settled on the first 14 hours or so, as Igehh and I picked same answers everything else, but that was probably more luck than us choosing the favs. I can't remember, honestly.

@mv1986 the draws we were thinking of were on particular questions, rather than on round outcomes If you go back, tennis questions are the worst culprit, with only a handful of greens on some, and at least one question where it was a yellow (draw) for everyone, again if my memory serves me. This is the issue I believe, where the question feels redundant, if everyone's going to answer the same (and those who answer different anyway don't win).

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.
Most of us have accounts there and others could easily create them, but if I am late with this suggestion maybe we could do this starting from third Season BSFL.
One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

There are a lot of players in Division 3 and it wont be easy to keep up with first two division, maybe you should have early play off matches that would cut off some players earlier.
I am also proposing to always add one bonus question in each round, in case any other game is canceled that would count instead and it can be used to decide winners when two players have same points.
One more thing, summer is coming and there will be less sports events but we can replace that with prediction for Bitcoin blocks or Bitcoin price.

Let the games begin, and may this season be filled with intense competition, thrilling moments, and camaraderie with fellow BTT’s sports enthusiasts. Enjoy the journey!   
It will be exciting to follow the Copa Libertadores tournament and watch some matches, especially during this stage when most European leagues are on a break.

agree about that, it is not bulletproof, but that can influence this type of questions that you currently have as well (top favorite being out putting people that answering closer to deadline in advantage)

what about this second part, with number of sets combined in QF, SF, F, that is more for GS as this one, you have seven matches and options from 21 to 35, granted below 25 and more than 31 will rarely be a case, but one can find some sweat spot for answers:
below 24, 25-26, than 27-28, 29-30, and 31 and above for example (not sure when QF for RG are scheduled, but should be Wednesday, not Tuesday?)

edit: IMO, more than two options are great for each answer, when there are two (Yes/No), there is also a lot of draws/same answers
correct me if wrong @buwaytress but I think you had few rounds with almost all answers same and competition finished on mid-week (winner known due to one/two different answers already resolved)?

@buwaytress has a good point here but implementation really isn't that easy. I have had the situation quite often where I first figured out what the safest point is and then concentrated on getting some edge in the questions that are left. The neutralization is an issue, but since it is still the same for everyone, it's still not that bad.

@Trofo's suggestion is good in terms of the "dumbing" down the idea to something that could be pretty much self-understanding. I think implementing it in the question itself could be one way to do it. One question is perhaps enough because it adds one element of potential differentiation.

@cryptofrka is also right as I can tell that I had quite some struggles at times to pick my answers, thinking back and forth what would make more sense. The questions are mostly quite tough and not obvious regarding the results. But what about adding an element to the tennis question when you don't only have to pick the finalists and the winner, but also some realistically doable specification. Like "Will Djokovic, if he reaches the final, have dropped X, >X or

I did make the count of draws for the respective divisions:

Div1: 66 games and 16 draws
Div2: 66 games and 9 draws
Div3: 55 games and 14 draws

This makes a total of 39 draws out of 187 games. I think this ratio is still more than ok.

@buwaytress, don't dare to say that div 1 has most draws because there are the most pros! Div 2 undermines that logic!

Just a bit joking here, but if we can come up with something that is really doable also for Trofo and cryptofrka, I would be all for it. I think you guys also said you want to expand the competition. Keeping it simple is the way to go I guess.

@buwaytress, even with an excel wizard you would also have to specify a lot of rules right? Like when someone picks an outcome that is 5:1, would that be less points than someone picking 10:1? Which odds would be taken? Sportsbet.io? At what point in time? Even with thresholds something could go wrong if it changes right after a question has been phrased.


Edit: oops, casperBGD, I didn't want to copy your suggestion. I typed my answer after I read cryptfrka's response. I apologize.

That type of question has one setback but it is a big one. We are making questions on Sunday when draws aren't even made sometimes and deadline is up to Tuesday. What happens if our chosen favorite gets eliminated before the deadline? We like to make bulletproof questions and it is very hard to do so for sports like tennis if we want to keep giving you at least 48 hours to give answers. But granted it isn't big risk and it can work in ATP500 tournaments when favorites sometimes have first match on Wednesday.

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Will include them for sure, especially in these weeks where we don't have top European leagues anymore.

Man, disappointed I lacked mental fortitude and grit to be apart of Division 2. But that will get the fire going for season 2, can't wait hope ya'll enjoying your rewards and time off. And speaking of Tennis, these underdogs have been barking loud, I did have bets on Seyboth Wild yesterday, and now with Altamaier although that was a rough sweat. Keep a look out for those dogs.

In South America next week we have the Copa Libertadores is the first important tournament and the Copa Sudamericana is the second important tournament, gameweek 5 will be played, the Copa Libertadores is the same as the UCL format and the Copa Sudamericana is the same as the UEL format, maybe you could consider it for the questions

for start, I do think that it is a great competition, and congrats to Sportsbet and Cro2 for organizing it, maybe it is too many times repeated, but it is a great show

have few suggestions, maybe just shitposting, for tennis:
- not sure why you are trying same question type - who will reach SF/F, that lead to draws and picking favorites
- maybe you can lean towards questions as in the beginning, will top favorite take the tournaments, and how many sets he will lost?
- and if there isn't top favorite (at the moment, we have two top players), maybe what they will do combined, as example:

will Djokovic or Alcaraz win the tournament, and how many sets they will lost on doing it, combined:
- Djokovic will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Alcaraz will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Djokovic will win, losing more than three sets
- Alcaraz will win, losing more than three sets
- neither will win
or similar with a number of sets played in QF, SF and F combined (all matches), as you were putting for Bundesliga matches

To add to this - we really try to offer pairs that would generally carry the same odds - specifically so that players don't choose the easy way out.
For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

Rewarding outside picks is a great idea in theory - but one we really cannot implement in the current format. We do like it, and have it in the back of our minds though.

And that is the biggest problem with idea buwaytress proposed. It is great and something that would probably make competition better but we have over 50 players and maybe 10 of them would really understand it from the get go. Then after we repeat the stuff million times maybe half of the participants would really understand it.

Just remember how many times cryptofrka had to explain rules to award free bets and it is much simpler than this. Maybe we will implement it in some way directly in the question which should be straightforward. For instance we ask who will play in RG final and if you chose Alcaraz or Djoković and they get there each gets you only a point. If you choose another top 10 player you get maybe 1.5 and if you choose somebody like Seyboth Wild you get 3 points. Meaning long odds but basically guarantees you a win on question if it comes. But that will make questions much longer to read trough. We will think about it definitely.

@buwaytress try to think a way to "dumb" it down to get parts of your idea but that implementation is straight forward and self explanatory.

Oh goodie... Another tennis question on which many or most of us will fail Just kidding, of course.

I read what buwaytress wrote but I have to admit that I don't understand I guess since I'm not that much into betting, my understanding of the matter is somewhat limited.

Oh yeah. And well done Cro2 team that you didn't go with the 6 month long season. I think it would be too long. This shorter season is much more attractive as every win is important!

Nicely done once more Cro2 team; really good to hear that Sportsbet is happy with the results and want to do this for many seasons to come. I personally think it's a great addition to the forum, still a breath of fresh air, and where the most engaged discussions on sports and sportsbetting take place -- that's evidence I'm able to back up too from a personal viewpoint. On occasion, I post on threads I don't really visit. Pose questions, and no one responds, while the thread continues to fill up with meaningless posts that don't carry on in discussions.

That's not the case here, and to see new blood from SB chat (ClubTalk), even better.

Don't really have new feedback, happy with formats and rules. I suppose I still think that to prevent majority draws on some questions, need to introduce an element of risk-reward. When making picks, the risk of choosing an underdog is too high, so you end up going for the favourite (knowing your opponent is likely to do the same).

To explain: why pick the guy with 5/1 odds instead of the guy with 2/1 odds, when you both are fighting for effectively the same point, right? Makes sense in betting because the win is 4x more than the favourite of 2/1, but not in this system where winner just gets the 1 point. That said, perhaps a bit too complex to implement (though I wonder if an Excel wizard could work out the "mean" answer, and highlight those who picked correctly outside of the mean/majority, and reward those with a "tiebreaker card", that maybe could be used for tiebreaker on a H2H draw.

e.g. Say Player A and B end the round tied. But Player B won 1 point by choosing an answer that was outside of a majority answer (maybe 70%+ people choose Verstappen to win a race, but Player B chose Alonso, who wins). Then he gets a tiebreaker card that gives him the tiebreaker win for a question where he draws.

Excel formula might calculate answers to each question. If the question gets a 70% or more of Answer X, that's a potential wild card awarding question. All players who didn't give Answer X, and gets it right, +1 tiebreaker card.

Maybe too complicated, but just something to think about

Here are the tables for first 2 divisions.





We are still contemplating how to best organize 3rd division so that one will be finalized before Sunday when questions for round 1 of Season 2 will be live. If somebody wants out from the competition now is the time to let us know.

Prizes are also mostly sorted out but we are still waiting for final approval from Sportsbet so that will also be finalized before we start hopefully. We don't want to miss next week since there is CL final and second week of RG to target with our questions.

Welcome to the Season 2 of the BSFL!

We cannot be more excited to see the hype around the league and to see new players joining from the Sportsbet's chat as well.
The bosses are happy too, and they are committed to BSFL for a few more seasons for sure. If you continue to be as active as you were so far, we'll reach the goal of this being a long-term forum competition!
General rules won't change much and you're all aware of them by now. You can read them here for a quick reminder. Most of our new members have tried out the competition already and know their way around it.


Season 2

5.6. – 8.10. (18 weeks) – 14 teams per Divisions 1 and 2 (13 rounds, 1-legged competition + the Cup and playoffs) and an undefined number of players in Division 3 so far (between 20 and 24).
Don't take the end date for granted – it might be a few weeks later (we are entering the summer season with not as much football so we might skip a week or 2 if we're really struggling to post meaningful questions).
We will go through all applications in Division 3 and after carefully evaluating them announce the Division 3 format. We are currently considering a single Division 3 with 20 clubs or 2 Division 3's (A and B) with 12 clubs in each – but might decide on something else entirely. We might even get more people in until the official start of the season.
What we can surely say is that the Divisions are expanding again – meaning that Season 3 will have 16 teams in Division 1, 16 teams in Division 2 and potentially even Division 4 – we'll announce that at the same time as the Division 3 general format. There will be 2 players directly relegated from Divisions 1 and 2, 4 players promoted from Division 2 to Division 1 (3 directly, 1 through playoffs) and 6 players promoted from Division 3 to Division 2 (promotion rules to be announced once we define the format of Division 3).
The format was supposed to be 2-legged in Season 2. We kept it 1-legged, we liked the fast pace of the season 1. We still don't know which format we'll use for Season 3 – but we're quite happy with the current one so might as well keep it going forward. Your feedback here would be appreciated as well.


Rules and recommendations

1.) Please install Telegram Bitcointalk bot. You will get notified every time we tag you for deadlines or important info.
2.) Please submit your answers on time. The bot will help there for sure.
3.) Please submit all the answers, and submit them with possible outcomes. When you give free points in your H2H questions to your opponent, it isn't fair to all other league members.
4.) To deal with the situations from points 2) and 3), we are forced to introduce some penalties. Each team that fails to submit answers on time or submits the answers in a way that is not in accordance with competition rules will receive a 1 point deduction – not for that round but from total points won in the league. We think the penalty is fair to keep the league competitive, and you can always ask in the thread if you don't understand some of the questions.
5.) If you repeatedly fail to submit the questions on time and in correct format, there's a high chance that we will be forced to remove you from the competition. The competition is becoming more serious and with the plans Sportsbet has for it going forward, we all need to do our part to make it fair and exciting. You were doing that most of the time in Season 1 so we aren't worried, and we thank you for it.

This is also the time for your feedback – we're taking it seriously and want to hear what you all have to say.

We will announce the rewards and Division 3 format until the end of the week.

The questions for the 1st round of Season 2 will be sent latest on Sunday evening.

If someone wants out, now's the time to say so. For the fairness of the competition, everybody from Division 3 that fails to submit the answers in the 1st round will be automatically disqualified.