Topic: Stake Casino Scam Locking 45k$ Balance (Read 1736 times)

Ask gamblers asked to provide proof from stake.com to resolve the complaint they gave them 96 hours to respond. They then granted them 8 additional days after the 96 hours for a total of 12 days to respond ( which the ask gamblers team on multiple occasions have provided extended time for stake all while telling me if i dont respond in 96 hours my case would be rejected.)  with proof in which now they are coming back saying " reasonable grounds to suspect that the player MIGHT have been involved in committing potential fraudulent activities. "

The word used might is very confusing. Would love to see what information this could be as ive done nothing fraudulent.

Last week i hired an attorney to file my complaint with gaming license holder in curacao and also we will be going after them in civil suit as well and name ask gamblers in the complaint.

The fact that i am here defenseless and i am not provided with any information being sent to ask gamblers or how they come to this conclusion and the immediate ban from responding to any of these complaints from stake or ask gamblers is very damaging.

Either way i hope this thread serves people in deciding this is just a very shady casino to play at. The second you turn a profit you will be made to be a criminal.

If they had these defining facts of me fraudulently playing on the site why did it take 4 months to come to this conclusion and all this run around about multi accouting, kyc, bet investigation. Just for all this to be settled and come out with defining proof that i am partaking in fraudulent activities?

Seems almost like stake has created some sort of doctored proof in order to justify their seizure of funds that are not theirs.

What I'm saying is Stake will not change that decision even if the player went to Gibraltar where stake have paper regulaTory to sue them.
Because even if the player prove 99% he have nothing to do with the game being rigged and stake have 1% still stake is thebpartybwith power and the one holding the funds
Since the game proven rigged Stake will not even care whatever the player did. Even if he is in the right side and stake in the wrong there nothing can be done and no legal decision will affect stake. Also they are so big that they don't care the reputation in a forum or even in askgambler.
Beside that maybe they don't even know the player exist as there hundreds of same accounts on  The same game . They bring banned. By the way it's only a little of people who come to bitcointalk a lot of others like 98% doesn't come to bitcointalk to open a a scam accusasion
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I said for the player to move on because there nothing he can do. If he hire a lawyer ( he might get scammed again by those Gibraltar iffshore lawyers ) they can do nothing.  

If Stake was a small casino and worrying about losing a few customers they might care. . . .

There is another risk of betting online beside the odds Wich is the casinos have all the power and they are the ones hold your funds and the risk of being refused payment must be put in consideration beside the odds when betting your funds.
Maybe try a decentralized betting site like SX then you might reduce that risk.

23. DISPUTES
23.1 If a User wishes to make a complaint, please contact Stake's customer service team at [email protected]  . Should any dispute not be resolved to your satisfaction you may pursue remedies in the governing law jurisdiction set forth below.
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25. GOVERNING LAW
25.1 The Agreement and any matters relating hereto shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of Curaçao. You irrevocably agree that, subject as provided below, the courts of Curaçao shall have exclusive jurisdiction in relation to any claim, dispute or difference concerning the Agreement and any matter arising therefrom and irrevocably waive any right that it may have to object to an action being brought in those courts, or to claim that the action has been brought in an inconvenient forum, or that those courts do not have jurisdiction.

Boss why are you only posting on forums that holydarkness posts on and come to his aid everytime ? kind of weird... Also i never decided to bet my whole balance one day lol the days prior to this i was betting everyday for a week with 80,000$ balances. Its very damaging that you and holydarkness keep commenting as if this is some sort of scam i arranged with jontay porter lol.

And lets get to the facts here since nobody wants to mention stakes TOS rules again here.
player prop section of TOS Sports betting rules displayed on Stake
"We reserve the right to void bets placed on known outcomes or known results."

So lets just follow their own TOS here no reason to keep making accusations of me knowing it being a rigged game. Stakes own TOS says they reserve the rights to void the bets. Not confiscate initial stake.

Other betters got paid out what really surprises me is that I'm a big player on the site so for them to just confiscate and not provide any information is very concerning.

Also day 10 now of askgamblers requesting documents from stake in which they still have not provided... after verification and a quick cheeky email of were taking your funds and we are ending communication nothing has been updated on the complaint forum no documents proving their case have been submitted.

Im not accepting this decision and i will be making a complaint so this doesnt happen to someone that could really be effected from these casinos withholding funds.

What I'm saying is Stake will not change that decision even if the player went to Gibraltar where stake have paper regulaTory to sue them.
Because even if the player prove 99% he have nothing to do with the game being rigged and stake have 1% still stake is thebpartybwith power and the one holding the funds
Since the game proven rigged Stake will not even care whatever the player did. Even if he is in the right side and stake in the wrong there nothing can be done and no legal decision will affect stake. Also they are so big that they don't care the reputation in a forum or even in askgambler.
Beside that maybe they don't even know the player exist as there hundreds of same accounts on  The same game . They bring banned. By the way it's only a little of people who come to bitcointalk a lot of others like 98% doesn't come to bitcointalk to open a a scam accusasion
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I said for the player to move on because there nothing he can do. If he hire a lawyer ( he might get scammed again by those Gibraltar iffshore lawyers ) they can do nothing.  

If Stake was a small casino and worrying about losing a few customers they might care. . . .

There is another risk of betting online beside the odds Wich is the casinos have all the power and they are the ones hold your funds and the risk of being refused payment must be put in consideration beside the odds when betting your funds.
Maybe try a decentralized betting site like SX then you might reduce that risk.

It's not what you said above, you said that even if he bet on a rigged game by pure chance, he should accept the decision and move on, because the case is already over according to you, while it would have nothing to do with trying to scam anyone. Now you claim he's a cheater so he deserves to lose his deposit and to be arrested by the FBI, it's not the same thing at all. If he didn't cheat it's none of his business how the casino manages cheaters and tries to afraid them, and he shouldn't lose $45k because of some casino business politics.

I understand what you are trying to say . but Imagine if Stake Paid him his deposit Back .  Like Ok Man you tried to Scam Us and Book on a Rigged Market We catched you so here your deposit back and will Void the bet . (It will be like a slap in the wrist )  and encourage all other  shady bettors to try to do the same risk free if they caught they lose nothing if they not caught they cashout.  
you should understand from the point of view of a huge business and bookie like Stake .

based from the news i read  it was some American Bookie who raised red flags about that Betting line and there was a huge flow of money from a lthousands  of accounts(since there bet limits)  so who knows if the OP was one of those accounts?

Iwould say for the OP you are lucky you are not in the US right now and you didnt Use a US Bookie . they dont play games in there  you would end up being investigated by the FBI
add to it the Shohei Ohtani and his his translator Scandal last month they are serious about investigating such things.

How he could move on, if he didn't make anything wrong? You are about to give him $45k to help him to move on? I don't think so. If he didn't cheat he has no reason to move on, and he should refer his case to the license regulator as he said or to a court. The casino representative said to Askgamblers they will send elements supporting their stance, but they "require additional time" for that despite the 3 months that have already passed. I guess neither OP nor anyone else will know what elements will be communicated to AG at the end.

How he could move on, if he didn't make anything wrong? You are about to give him $45k to help him to move on? I don't think so. If he didn't cheat he has no reason to move on, and he should refer his case to the license regulator as he said or to a court. The casino representative said to Askgamblers they will send elements supporting their stance, but they "require additional time" for that despite the 3 months that have already passed. I guess neither OP nor anyone else will know what elements will be communicated to AG at the end.

This case is already over. .
What a chance for the OP to bet on a rigged game
Also American Bookies (including Stake US) made decisions similar to this one.
Also the OP used to play casino games most of the time untill one day he decided to bet all his money on a rigged game . Even if it was pure chance this will not help your case Wich already over.  
I don't think Stake will ever change it's decision. And for the OP better to Move on.

This case is already over. .
What a chance for the OP to bet on a rigged game
Also American Bookies (including Stake US) made decisions similar to this one.
Also the OP used to play casino games most of the time untill one day he decided to bet all his money on a rigged game . Even if it was pure chance this will not help your case Wich already over.  
I don't think Stake will ever change it's decision. And for the OP better to Move on.

Update on poster jeffyeps prop bets at Stake on January 26. jeffyeps is a big player with multiple 5 figure deposits and withdrawals. His first day playing at Stake he made bets totaling $80,000. He's been playing at Stake for 3 years.

Jan. 26 : Poster jeffyeps makes two prop bets, one a parlay and one straight, that include props on NBA player Jontay Porter. Both bets won at Stake paying out $42,463.48.

Jan. 27 : A US Sportsbook, Draftkings, sends out notice that the 3-point player prop bet on Jonyat Porter was the biggest winner for the players on Jan. 26. Draftkings paid all players.

Jan. 27 : Stake suspends the account of jeffyes. Stake's claim is that jeffyeps broke their ToS on having multiple accounts. jeffyeps had previously passed level 1 and 2 verification. Stake is now asking for more.

Feb. 24 : jeffyeps files a complaint in scam accusations here at BCT. jeffyeps also files a complaint with AskGamblers. Stake keeps denying verification https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-stake-holding-43k-for-over-a-month-no-update . Stake has done this on multiple occasions, sometimes delaying payouts up to 5 months.

Mar. 20 : Similar to Jan. 26, a lot of wagers were made on Dontay Porter props. Draftkings contacted gambling regulators for unusual betting patterns. The regulators went back looking at more prop where Jontay Porter was involved with unusually high amounts of tickets. While still under investigation, it looks as though the Jan 26 and March 20 bets were rigged. Prior to March 20, no one suspected the Jan 26 game and all bets were paid at other sportsbooks except for jeffyeps bets at Stake.

Approximately Apr. 27 : Stake decides to confiscate jeffyeps' deposits and winnings.

Analysis :

1. No honest sportsbook with a license in Curacao is going to accept prop bets paying out $42,463.48. The most common limit on NBA props for Curacao sportsbooks would be winnings of $500.

2. Stake had no intention of paying this player. The player was a large player and Stake took the wager knowing that either the player was going to lose or they weren't going to pay the player. Big crypto books can get away with this tactic since they will get forum backing. Players profiled as losing players that don't hit for a large amount will get paid hassle free. If a player gets profiled as a winner, a substantial amount is won or the player gets caught in a random KYC search, then it will be different at each book. Some books ban, others limit wager amounts and some confiscate winnings and deposits.

3. Even though Stake was unaware until months later, because the game was fixed, Stake should have kept jeffyeps' winnings and returned his balance. There are no claims that jeffyeps was involved in fixing the game. jeffyps completed all verification including proof of employment and funds.

more on the game here https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues

Don't blame you.

Holydarkness doesn't work for anyone. It's the go to statement for a lot of people in the wrong. Although I understand your frustration, if you want help then be courteous with people trying to help.

I still think you should be paid on this one. Seems obvious you weren't in on the fix since as stated before, you jumped in on the bet, you didn't start the wave, you rode the wave.

So I am abiding your wish.

I previously tried to disregard your spiteful accusation [that I am here only to take benefit of the casinos, working for them, wishing to be offered to work for them by dong this, and so on, while I am here purely for the community] and try to keep actively overseeing this one. I understand correctly that you see me as someone very partial, perhaps even corrupt, as I am benefitted from those cases and looking forward to be employed by them?

I am withdrawing myself from this one and taking the back seat.

I was just trying to determine how justified and in line Stake's decision was. If you bet everything you have, the whole balance, into that match and they confiscate them for the reason of rigged game [we'll disregard whether you know about this or just following a trend for a moment], then it is understandable. You bet x amount of balance, the game was sketchy, so they confiscate that x amount of fund from you. That x just unluckily happened to be your entire balance.

But if you bet [let's say] USD 5,000 on that match and you have USD 2,000 left on your account, and they confiscate this too, then this is arguably unethical. That 2,000 has no involvement with the whole situation and shouldn't be "collateral" damage. That action, if that's what they did, was wrong in my opinion.


I said, "and fortunately, currently there are not new ones", and I mean it. Fortunately currently there are not new cases against them regarding KYC. Don't you agree it will be a very bitter and unfortunate event to happen to someone else? Weren't two cases already enough?

Read again [as I believe you read my statement wrongly] I am talking about future case --explained by the wording "currently there are not new ones", referring to the absence of new case in the present time-- to try to determine if Stake has turned into a KYC nightmare. I am not talking about cases that's already happened and still in the need of mediation


I believe what you're referring to what I said is this?


Please read again, I am saying that level 1 and 2 should be enough to identify and help casino flag a user, not to return the fund. How logical is it for any platform to return a fund when someone fulfill the highest KYC level and disregarding the abuse they might or might not do?


Interesting notion. I noticed, that you have a tendency to be offensive when someone said something that is against your narrative or what you want or whatever it is that's on the slightest degree against you, regardless the purpose of those question or statement.

So I am abiding your wish.

I previously tried to disregard your spiteful accusation [that I am here only to take benefit of the casinos, working for them, wishing to be offered to work for them by dong this, and so on, while I am here purely for the community] and try to keep actively overseeing this one. I understand correctly that you see me as someone very partial, perhaps even corrupt, as I am benefitted from those cases and looking forward to be employed by them?

I am withdrawing myself from this one and taking the back seat.

How does any of this have any grounds. [...]

Also holydarkness what do you mean by "fortunately" they don have other kyc issues. IF you look at any complaint site thats the majority of their issues ?

and how is it hard to believe when you yourself on this thread said that level 2 should suffice in answering and returning of funds but now its a different story?[...]

just say you are an advocate for stake. Ive complied with everything from these people and its still hard for you to believe? i dont know what more i have to prove to a person like you but you obviously are one of those guys thaat refuse think a casino cant defraud their customers. Honestly dont know why you keep frequenting this thread giving stake every benefit of the doubt and throwing words like "fortunately" they dont have any other kyc complaints
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