Topic: Stake Casino Scam Locking 45k$ Balance - page 4. (Read 1720 times)

I don't understand, you mean they're publicly lying on Askgamblers? They've posted 7 times during one month there, and I don't see one single message dealing with an investigation on your bet. It's all about KYC and rejection of your documents. Why they don't tell the truth if you are right about an ongoing investigation on this bet? Are they rejecting your documents, because they've decided to not validate your KYC before the end of this investigation? Or are they willing to continue to reject them even if the investigation tells that nothing wrong happened on this bet finally, especially from your part?

If I may ask bluntly, do you prefer to have a situation where they're only given [let's say] 90 hours, and once the timer runs out, AG close the case without giving a second [or many other] chances, marked their score lower as a result of the irresponsiveness, while at the same time, the other party [namely, you] lose the chance to get USD 45,000 because the case marked as closed due to unresponsiveness and they can't get to the bottom of it?

Oh, do you mind to stop posting in consecutive? Merge everything into single post, and if you want to add something else shortly before other people posted anything, you can add through editing your post. Consecutive posting is against the forum rule.

Well I'm glad I never had an expectation for the casino to pay out til the investigation is over once I figured out there was a real investigation and given some real info. I understand the process. Just was saying weird that they don't have investigations practically every game with what goes on in some of these games.

I don't accuse you, I am just saying it looks off.
Also the picture you shared just proves my point a bit.
First off, all your previous bets are still not close to your initial single bet on the guy.
Also, you show no previous action in prop bets. And, all your bets are on 1 game basically, William & Mary in the ncaa.

But anyway, now this investigation in underway all you can do is wait even longer, that's just how it is. I know it's annoying but as any sports book I would not pay as well if I were them, waiting for the outcome of the investigation.

Sure, in the US you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Still people sit in jail for years until their trial if they can't post bail. You can't expect them to pay you and if they investigation turns out to be a rigged game ask you to send the money back, which you would never do.

I don't understand what you mean by all my previous bets are a fraction of these bets? Where you got this information. And also. If you know how numbers work.

https://imgur.com/a/XcyElIf

Here is my bets from the days before. Almost 80k Bet in a day. Some bets equaling almost the same amount placed on these props.
I literally said here I followed trend. I'm not a professional. I literally pay for multiple peoples picks and follow trend like here and sometimes it pays out sometimes it doesn't.
Its like you are saying I don't normally place big bets. Which obviously the pics here with dates, show that is a false claim.

While i totally understand the investigation can we wonder why no investigation was called from the NBA themselves. And again. What's going on with these refs blatantly missing calls and admitting it...
At least in the country of USA it is a guilty until proven innocent process. Even tho everyone on the internet here seems like they've made up their mind because a sports book lost to much money in one day. Must be some type of scam as these sports books are in the business to only make money.

You did see how he played, right?
Also, like I said, all your bets before have been a fraction of what you then bet on this guy. Nobody is normally betting big on this kind of player ( 2 way contract end of the bench guy), especially not that big.
A guy like him getting the most prop bets of all NBA players that day? Nah man.

Anyway, this case changed real quick with the big investigation now. Anyway, good luck, doesn't look good now and your accusation has no merit for the moment since there is an open investigation and you can't blame them for waiting for the result.

PS: a real sports handicapper doesn't play at stake by the way, the odds on that site are terrible compared to other places.

Yea i understand the integrity of the investigation but stake and their sports book partners are very misleading on complaint forum and email.

As much as I would love to have insider information and kill all these sports books unfortunately I was just following trend. Also for the bets in question one of them yes was a prop under 3.5 rebounds combined with the 3.5 point under. The other one was just the under on rebounds. In that game he had 3 rebounds. Not so much of an easy win but very much a nail biter in this situation for me.

Very strange things happening here though as the investigation wasn't brought on by NBA but at request of a sports book. While everyone would love to paint the narrative of a " bet syndicate " that is just very hard to believe. If every time a sports book lost large sums of money they can just claim an investigation and delay pay out that's a very big cause for concern
Another weird example is like yesterdays game with the 76ers and clippers " Officials admit to missed call on final play of Clippers win over 76ers " These things raise even more red flags for me as a sports bettor.
Calls like this were the official admits to missing calls and costing games it really raises the question of where is the information on loosing bets that night for that call. If the sports book feels like they lost a lot of money and will just call for an NBA investigation where is the investigation into these "missed" calls by officials at the gain of a sports book.

While i understand it is a long shot to say the sports books could have some play in games. It also raises the red flags of on big sweep days for the books the only way for a investigation to happen on a team is for a broad public complaint in which will never lead back to the actual books themselves. For the book itself all they have to do is say we lost a lot this is weird.

Meanwhile just like their is calculated odds makers making the odds their are calculated sports cappers picking the correct bets. I'm sure the days that the books are cashing in crazy amounts due to weird irregularities in games nothing is being disclosed about the amount they profited that day.

Anyway back to the point as far as this NBA investigation it really can only go 2 ways. They find him guilty and it completely destroys the integrity of the game and sports betting even more and they void these bets. Or calculated odds where taken on this and the book is being a sore looser and not wanting to pay out. Either way my money has been held for over 2 months. Glad to finally get some answers tho and with these articles coming out it should be a quick resolution as the player is barred from playing until end of investigation.

Also a lot of these sports news sites are sponsored by draft kings ( the book who opened investigation ) so its very hard to get the real perception it seems like a lot of the articles are pretty much smear campaigns. I wonder how much the books really lost on this..

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Actually its quite opposite. They are given as many responses and times to run out. Again pretty unprofessional to be going back and forth on a complaint sight when they have a direct contact to me as a client.

Here is todays response from AG in regards to stake running out the time on numerous occasions.

"While we understand your frustration and agree that the process is going on too long, with the casino not responding immediately to your post, the casino is still working on your case and is giving you detailed explanations of the process.
 
The avg response is calculated on a large number of cases and is updated periodically."

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Also if you read the article here you can see that it was an easily secured bet. " In the first game against the Clippers, Sportsbooks had Porter’s props set at over/under 5.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists and 0.5 three-pointers. At the time, Porter had per game averages of 4.9 points, 3.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 0.7 three-pointers. "

The under's on this game if you are a professional capper you can clearly see an advantage here and maybe a mistake from the odds makers that they now are trying to come back on. As well as multiple people not in the game so the thought of his game play was greater then actually played.

Say everyone would have bet this over and lost to the under. Do you think there would be an investigation in the biggest losses for the day.

Honestly all this isn't sitting very well with me on the whole sports betting topic.

Sports Book looses big. Private investigation. Sports book wins big. Swept under the rug no real public knowledge.

I am sorry for being a little bit unclear about response time and probably caused you some confusion. I was talking about and advising you to stop making rather pointless post, because when I think when you made a new post on your complaint page, their timer gets resetted to full. So, when they previously only have 24 hours left to respond, by you "bumping" the thread with your post, it goes back to (IIRC) 90 hours, effectively dragging the case by giving them more time to delay an answer.

As for the AG will just reset a timer, yes they usually will give another chance for casino [and player] to give their response once the timer runs out, but they'll only give it once or twice instead of repetitively. And, still related to above, bumping the thread with a post before the ball goes into your court will just give them an even longer response time.

Now, regarding them being paid [sponsored], it's been brought numerous times by many complainants, how arbitrators at the very least should be supporting the casinos on their platform, given they donned the casino's referral link. But it's also been repetitively explained here, as well as on their FAQs page, the profit gained from referral link was used to help with the operation cost. Mind that arbitrators [much like us here] are not getting paid to mediate a case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwBdenyI7Vg

Funny to see that it comes out now that actually the game you bet on is under investigation globally, not only by stake.

I followed the Jontay Porter betting "scandal" the past days but didn't remember your bet was exactly on this guy. So now all of this does look a little suspicious actually.
I know I supported your claim first but seeing this under these new circumstances you must admit your bet looks a bit off and stake was right doing this investigation and holding out on the money.

Your bets we are much smaller until this particular bet where you suddenly bet 7.6k on the under 3.5 rebounds and also a big parley with under 3.5 points on high odds.

So now the question is, did you have insider info or did you just follow the trend? Apparently many accounts on many bookies bet on these exact number.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/mar/26/nba-investigating-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-irregularities

Might happen that they will void the winnings from these 2 bets (30k$ sayonara). Hopefully only doing this and not say you are part of a "betting syndicate". If this happens you can say goodbye to all your funds and the account.

Of course this will only happen if they actually the NBA will find him guilty of doing this intentionally. Guess this case is far from being over now.

Response time doesn't matter on AG because after time is up they can comment at any time to refresh the clock " reopen " and AG will still honor the complaint as active. AG is pretty much a forum and a lot of their casino rankings are obviously sponsored. I've talked with AG customer service to see what the problem here is with their claim of casino response times and things of that sort like stake running out the clock and giving the same generated response to every complaint ( very weird ) and they just hit me with the " we just want to see you receive your funds back " and the only real way for a complaint to go un resolved is making a case to gaming authority and proving AG with all the information from gaming. I really don't understand where they get their rankings from... Hell even recently via email a customer service rep for AG told me " It is on you not to play off your funds until the issue is resolved." On a suspended account. That has no option of any of that. After asking for them to be a 3rd party verifier on my identification...  

Anyway after 2 months and all the run around. ( I'm guessing for "integrity" reasons) Finally getting the real answer here after the news broke about betting investigation. My bet in question was a Jontay Porter prop bet that has since surfaced that there is a real investigation conducted by the NBA. Don't know why the weird games played by stake with the verification thing maybe just a thing to keep me happy.. and why it took 2 months for the article to finally surface but here we are. Will expect once these investigations are over my funds released thankfully.

To many people win it becomes an investigation, to many people lose with obvious referee interference and its just another tough day for gamblers...

I can feel your frustration and annoyance, and though it might sound unsympathetic, all I can advise you right now is to wait a little bit more, perhaps a week max, to see Stake's response on AG and/or the status of your level 3 and 4 KYC, see if this long and taxing path brought any fruit.

And stop posting on AG unless they replied you or you need to give other information that contributes to the development of the case. I think each time you post, the response timer was reset to it's starting number, giving Stake more time to delay giving their answer.

Not lashing out at you just tired of the games stake is playing. Again I've sent in every document I possibly can to prove my identity and still getting the run around. They say they want to verify but why cant they just email me this instead of going back and forth on a complaint forum. Very unprofessional. On top of taking days to even respond to that forum.

I'd like nothing more then this case to be resolved and me go on my merry way. I think the best interest for me at this point is to do what is necessary to prove my identity and regain my funds. I have been nothing but patient and readily available to resolve this, stake on the other hand while I understand the integrity of their site and the complications behind verifying there is absolutely no excuse for over 60 days of time to clear any kind of confusion, verification or investigation

Probably. Care to explain which part of crypto you referred that I don't understand?


If I may inform you, you're not the only one jumping through hoops to get this case [and other ones] resolved. There are other members who are in contact with me, and they [as well I] has been trying to be in touch with each of their own's Stake contact and tried to get these cases resolved. Just a piece of info that you probably missed, we are in no way benefitted from this, whatever the outcome is, we all here just trying to help, so I am not sure why you lashed at me [hopefully I just read that post wrongly].

Now, escalating to a class action lawsuit, if that's what you think the best, then you're free to pursue that path. I am not familiar with their [and AG's] approach for a lawsuit, but I assume it'll be like when a case is being escalated to the licensor, namely they will cease to respond from every other mediator and focusing their resources to achieve result on that particular media. This is what I mean with my post above, and thus perhaps wait for the result of that verification before pursuing other venture, especially as --the way I understand it-- the documents for level 3 and 4 are being reviewed within just a couple of days ago.

If you're sure with your decision though, then --once again-- you're free to pursue this path.

Again its stall tactics I don't know how much longer i am suppose to wait its been 2 months I am always readily available to fix this but stake doesn't seem this issue is to time sensitive. They take a week to even respond. Then when responding they are just denying all my completely legal documents.  then when reaching out to accounts team via email they say that verification isn't the issue its bet investigation. When reaching out to sports provider they dont have any investigation on my account or the bets. If you see the ask gamblers complaints there is multiple open at this time with stake giving all identical answers ( which is very concerning ). I guess you dont understand how crypto works. I am now at the mercy of when Stake wants to release funds on when and what I can cash out.

If stake was devoted to fix this issue then why am i having to jump through the hoops of making a complaint on third party website when I literally have an email account and a stake account you think they would reach out on to resolve this. At this point 2 months later I am at least implementing the legal process to speed up all this process. And also my lawyer will provide proof of identity and residency which again should easily clear this up.

If the case gets resolved before/during suite is filed then i can withdraw my claim and my lawyer will work pro bono for the rest of the clients.

I can understand your frustration, but I think hiring a lawyer is not the best course of action for the time being, especially with an attempt of class action. The time needed to build a class action suit and file them and get them heard in the courtroom, and so on, will probably take longer than having it resolved through AG.

I can see on AG that your KYC is currently under review. Do you mind to perhaps wait for the outcome of that document check?

2 Full months with what seems like every stall and lie tactic that can be provided from Stake has. Have sent in my id, passport, selfie holding passport with username and date on picture, All bills I have, Paystubs with company name and signed off by manager, Bank Statements to still be told that they are not accepted. This is absolutely absurd. My balance has been fluctuating so much during this hassle and now I am at the mercy of stake on when and if I am even able to withdraw. This is pretty much fraud at this point holding 1 BTC for over 2 months and not being readily in contact to pay out their clients funds.

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Have now hired a lawyer and might be best way to do a class action against stake for everyone that finds this thread that has funds held or stolen from Stake.com please respond to this message for contact information to lawyer. I have paid for the lawyers time to build the case and see if we have a transnational class action suite that we can file.

Roughly, what's happening to you is quite similar with other user on the neighboring thread, where the answer Stake's representative gave on CG [he choose CG over AG at that time] is different with the one being provided on other method [you through email and he through live support chat].

Currently, I asked a highly reputable member of this forum to reach to one of his contact at Stake and see if that staff can sort that case out. I don't want to burden him with another case simultaneously, so for the time being, I think it's best to see if having that contact of his looking into the neighboring issue can solve the case. And when it does, I'll try to ask his help to urge that staff to look into yours, suppose that your case is not resolved by itself yet or that staff does not take over one of stake's account here and start tackling issues.

Yes I think the real confusion here is with stake. If its a KYC problem or whatever the problem is when going back and forth with [email protected] they could be more helpful as i am trying to do whatever I can to resolve these issues and claim my funds. But instead I am getting publicly one answer and when reaching out I'm getting a completely different answer, no help, and told to stop reaching out to resolve this matter. At this point it feels like something is very shady going on.

One question in all reality why would stake publicly be on ask gamblers saying one thing (as you can see from the site) and then when i am emailing trying to clear up with the only contact they give me that will respond to this issue and get more information ([email protected]) I am pretty much getting told to screw off. (as you can see from my email pictures after the AskGamblers response )

With BTC going up my balance is no longer 43k it is now 62k...

 Never thought stake would take advantage of people like this but i see a lot of their big influencers even switching to other sites because of these problems with players they have under their affiliates.

No one is attacking you, we are just trying to be sure every ground is covered and the situation is well understood, that you entered everything correctly, verbatim, and there is no typo at all that could be the reason why this situation arise. Accidentally pressing different letter, missed a character or two [or adding one too much] is something that can happen. From my own personal experience, I once had to spend an entire day going back and forth, having my phone calls transferred between departments in a bank because my data didn't match and they can't verify my credential.

Upon everything being cleared, as it turned out, the root of it was because I missed to input one digit on my personal phone number [the data I submitted on their database has one digit less than what my phone number should be], that's why they refused to grant me access to unlock my [accidentally blocked due to incorrect password] banking app.

The other reason why we need to be sure that we understand everything correctly, that you're sure everything is correct, or that Stake never give you a way to verify or revise your data on KYC 1 and 2, is because if you didn't do anything wrong [not in a sense of attacking you, but rather in confirming that you input everything correctly] and they still lock you out or not facilitating a way to revise your data [in spite of whatever they claim] and ask you to stop emailing them instead, then this will be the second case of KYC related issue with Stake, amongst many with different basis that is yet to be solved.

I didnt think i actually needed to answer that as obviously all my information matches.... Im confused why im getting attacked pinned against a wall as if im doing something wrong but you have no mention here of the no response now from stake on askgamblers for over 4 days, email to stake after their official response on askgamblers telling me to stop reaching out for information...

You say im avoiding a question but yet im posting my email threads with stake asking them specifically for what information i need to submit or need to be revised and them blantantly telling me to screw off.

But yes i wonder why " im avoiding the question " of if my info is correct?

I only know how to spell my name and information one way, and thats the only way...

If you guys are such advocates of stake can you please explain to me the reasoning behind them telling me for 6 weeks that their is a bet investigation but on public review sites they are claiming a different story and when reaching out to accounts team about what they publicly replied i was again told to pretty much screw off..

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And again in the threads posted it very clearly answers the question of reaching out to stake to revise any kyc issues that was hit with no help and told to stop messaging. ( i cant find any on my account after scanning everything on my account or i obviously would have corrected )
And to answer the second question yes i have provided ask gamblers with all information and thats why they are actively pushing stake to respond in the time given... Which again for the 2nd time.. They have not..

Stake has now avoided answering any questions multiple times now ( multiple from email, multiple from ask gamblers, multiple from telegram, multiple from support team, multiple from vip host, multiple from bitcointalk, multiple from owners streams), I wonder why that is.