Topic: stake.com- Does not have gambling responsibility - page 5. (Read 1879 times)

This is just a piece of cake for someone who do play  115 hours  of poker continuously
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-marathon-playing-poker-by-an-individual
Well this talks about world record which does shows on how gambling addiction could take you that far.

20 hours per day? thats fucking insane.  

Spending long time in gambling does already indicates that you do have a big problem and now you've requested for some self exclusion but still continue to make deposit
but on the time you have lost then you do sue them out and asking for a refund? What kind of bullshit thinking is that?

It's been a quite a while this post was made, and I know that by now, probably this issue might have been resolved, but I would like to chip in a few thoughts for the still active readers.
1. I've never used stake.com, so I probably don't know how their system works, but one sure thing is that no platform anywhere without some form of bugs or errors that tends to affect the system once in a while, even as large as Facebook is, people still encounter lots of errors and bugs from time to time.
2. Op asked that his account be banned, but the admin didn't, and when op found out, he still went ahead to deposit to the account twice, played games which I believe he lost, no body forced him to deposit to that account in the first place, he even went ahead to play games and after loosing, he wants stake.com to refund he's money, that's awkward 😂, but I might as well have gotten every thing wrong, anybody who understands better should kindly explain to me.
But my question also is, why didn't he leave that account and create another account instead?

When people begin to disregard important aspects of their life in order to satisfy their desires then that is when we can talk about a problem with addiction.

After all if we take into account the amount of time you need to sleep, take care of your physiological needs, like eating, working and other necessary stuff, most people at most have 5 to 6 free hours a day to do what they want, so someone gambling 20 hours per day is without a doubt disregarding some important aspects of their own life and as such they have a serious problem they need to attend right away.

What op is forcing here is that he didn't sneak back, he was "allowed" when in the first place he should've been banned (according to his words). Stake has a self-exclusion system though, and afaik you don't need to talk to an admin or moderator to do it. Not gonna say much about what happened since technically, it's not even an issue between us and OP or OP and stake, it's at most an issue between OP and the one he talked about to ban him. Might've left out a few details maybe, but well we'd probably never know tbh. Just apply common sense really, if you were found gambling after a self-exclusion, casinos will not refund you, they'd just kick you out, simple as that.

It's not a US specific rule, it's just common sense.  If a player self excludes because they have a gambling problem and then sneak back and gamble anyway, they aren't going to get their losses refunded.  The opposite should happen, their money is seized - just like any other prohibited player that chooses to gamble anyway.  I've already said I don't think Stake should keep your money, there should be no incentive for them to allow excluded players to gamble, but giving it back to you would be much worse than them keeping it, since it's giving a problem gambler incentive to gamble, which is why I suggested earlier they find some charity or something and let the player know when they self exclude what will happen to any money they try to gamble with after self excluding.

Whenever you do go past 3-5 hours or something which is out of your important hours or time of the day then its clearly that you have some gambling problem.About self exclusions then this is something a very standard for most casinos nowadays specially with known or popular ones and if theres some sort of delay about effects then its just understandable that you wouldnt do anything specially on making more deposits.
If you do then its up to your own will which the site wouldnt really be having no control over that and when you do lost then its none of their business.

Playing more than 20 hours a day also seems very irresponsible to me. We have all passed a day in the past (or some now) But in combination with gambling that can never go well. If you are awake for such a long time and gamble, then you will eventually make unfathomable decisions and if you lose once, the tilt mode comes on quite easily, I think too. That is dangerous and expensive.

I have to admit that playing almost a day or more is a very long time. I've had sessions of 10 hours, but over 20 is a really serious thing.
I understand very well what you mean, but all I can think of is to simply close your Stakes.com account permanently and just play at those casinos where you have the option to self exclusion immediately.

People should really take this line seriously because there's no such thing about refund or compensation or something like that, once you do make out deposit and lost it all in the site
then you totally lost them and theres no turning back.Self exclusion issues or arguments like this is none sense since its just normal for gambling sites
not to grant out those request.They are running a business and not a charity into those gambling losers and thats a fact.

I actually think that you don't understand the problem. STAKE DOES NOT HAVE A WORKING SELF-EXCLUDE SYSTEM. Myself as a player with kyc done, no more than 1 account on the site because i don't ever want my funds to be in danger because of multiple accounts, I can not self exclude. It is like a gamble to self exclude, after you request it it may take up to 12 hours for it to take effect. STAKE DOES NOT HAVE SELF-EXCLUDE. PERIODE. Here the problem arrives.

And it works different for every type of player, if you are a constant gambler vs an usual one (who gambles from time to time), it will act differently. Do not give USA laws, as I am not even sure if stakes allows USA players to gamble on their site, as they don't accept russians, british, australians (but the owner who is australian gambles with VPN during live streams every saturday, he admits it every stream, but vpn is prohibited to use on the site.)

Stake at this moment it acts like a scam until they fix this issue.

Show me a law.

If a self excluded player, or anyone that's prohibited from gambling for any reason (banned, underage, employee) is caught gambling, not only are they not entitled to their losses back, any money they have in play is seized by the Casino.  This happens most often when they hit a win that's big enough to trigger a hand pay for tax documents.  The Casino takes the payout along with any balance they had on the machine (or chips on table), which they are then ordered to forfeit over to the regulator.

This is pretty standard practice in every jurisdiction I'm aware of, UK, Vegas, Atlantic City, Monaco...

Here's an example from Atlantic City:

https://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/docs/Rulings/2022/jan1_15/Summary.pdf




https://www.nj.gov/lps/ge/selfexclusion_bet.html


Under no circumstances would a self excluded player get their losses back after gambling while on the exclusion list.  That's an absolutely bonkers idea.  If they did that, you could just exclude yourself, put on a disguise and go freeroll the casino.  You win, you leave quietly, you lose, full refund.  If an excluded player really wants to play, they'll find a way.  The best way to motivate them not to is the knowledge that if they get caught, they lose whatever money they are gambling with.  You're suggesting the exact opposite.  To make it so they have literally nothing to lose by trying to gamble. There is no good argument for refunding your money.

No, you are entitled, there are laws about it, there is gambling help policies, you are 100% entitled if the casino can't help with your addiction! Even in Curacao where their licence is, they can get closed just because of it. The electoral system in USA ain't fair, and should not exists, but it does, that's the law, the rule of the law. If you think it's unfair change it by starting a move, don't just come to say meh, this doesn't work for, i don't think it's ok.

The problem is that would only make problem gamblers want to gamble even more than if there were no self exclusion program at all. You aren't entitled to a refund. You gambled and you lost. The sooner you accept that the closer you'll be to recovery.

Yes, they need to give money back to gambler, over and over and over and over again until they solve the situation. Where is the problem?

It would be nice if people could self-exclude for a very long period of time, after all in order to really overcome addictive behaviors people need something close to a year in order to do so, so being able to self-exclude for that long should be an option.

However we have to admit that in these times it is really difficult for people to overcome their addictions as now they can satisfy them with extreme ease, so only those that are completely determined to do so will be able to achieve it, while those that are still not 100% committed will fail into it again, as even if they self-exclude from one casino there other thousands of casinos in which they can play.

That's what everyone should understand. Moreover, by paying a guy this way, they will have to pay more and more as many other gamblers will do this way. Simply have enough strength to leave it or ask for help from those who can treat you.

And you know what?  Players still find a way to play in them.  And when players get caught playing, they don't get their money back.

You're only here because you're trying to get money back that you lost gambling.  I hope, for your own sake, they don't give it back, because if you are really trying to fix your gambling problem, them giving you money will only hurt it.

Yes, thanks for asking. You seem to think that if I had no casino in my signature, I would've sympathized with your situation or ignored the thread, which isn't true.
Do only people with no signatures have the right to answer in this thread? If you don't like what others have to say set up a moderated topic and delete their responses.
Like with gambling, the choice is yours.


If I had to use their self exclusion I'd set it for maximum and make sure my account is locked for good. The moment you have to block yourself from gambling for a while is IMO the moment you should go to rehab. Instead, you gamble, then self exclude for 24h and in a day you still gamble again and blame the casino for delays. If you really gamble that much it really doesn't change the big picture if you lose the money today or next week, you will eventually do x number of rolls anyway, be it today or tomorrow, but you don't get this. You feel like stopping the streak at this very moment will save you.


So you play on Stake, then self exclude and go to another casino, play there, self exclude, go somewhere else... When you click self exclusion, but it doesn't happen immediately, you take that for a good omen and keep playing. Maybe God wants you to play, and if not, there's always the casino to blame, right?


You are here to make a statement and if anybody has a different opinion they can go fuk themselves, fukin' spammers!

You got your 25cents for the post? Are you happy now? Have you used their self exclusion? 24 hours? Sometimes I gamble for 24 hours without sleeping, after such session or during this session I realise it is too much and I want to exclude myself for the next week, does stake has that option? It takes 2-3 hours for 24 hours exclusion to take effect, it does not happen on instant.
Do you know how it is to gamble when you know that you only have a few minutes left after gambling for 14-18 hours with big ammounts, no joke, I am also plat5. Of course you don't know, you just received 25cents for your post.
Stake has no gambling responsability, stop arguing, it is a fact. Even if you say it is the fault of the player, the casino is worse to blame.
On pokerstars, on mozzart, everywhere I play even at this moment after some gambling on 19th of January when I woke up at 6 am and I gambled until next day at 2 pm, I am self exclude a month, on stake I can't do that. On stake the 24 hours wouldve expired, or even those 24 hours might not take effect because the support missclicked (which happens more than you believe, my situation).
I am not here to attack on stake or create FUD, I am here to write facts. Just facts. The moment you take defence of stake you are a spammer, you have no clue what you speak about or you don't know how it is to be raised since you are 12 running to go to casino's which are every 50 meters, this addiction it is not easy, nobody understands you, nobody arround you knows how you can stop or tries to help; everybody is: "STOP GAMBLING". And btw I am KYC lvl 3 verified on stake.