Topic: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam. - page 2. (Read 5590 times)

Talking about generic post and spam, this is the best example I found https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/the-cryptovator-1980983

I understand stake have many participants to check but why best_change is paying such brilliant posters? These days you need to find something to earn merit, best way is to become a scam reported and report everything you find on the web, be in touch with other DT members and merit sources. One day you will be a legendary and the goal achieved to get paid $100 per week. Easy money, fake care for the forum.

What I believe is that the conclusion you express does not follow from the premise.

At least in some cases, the quantity of posts does affect the quality. Someone who is a decent poster making 25 posts a week, if he enters a campaign like the one we are talking about and wants to reach the maximum payout, it is normal that on average his posts have less quality than when he makes 25.


Generic posts? I don't know for sure but I guess you do other things apart from writing in the forum, I don't know if it's a main job or what, but if you had no other job than writing in the forum couldn't you write more than 100 posts with decent quality? Normally you write more than 50, although some of them are updates of your threads.


You are right: you don't get it. Do you think that the target audience of that campaign needs quality to drive them to gamble in the casino?

What is said is not nearly as important as how many times advertising appears on the forum. I know you don't go there as much as I do, but I can assure you that the average user is quite mathematically illiterate, something you can check in threads that the same people who wear casino signatures, who are also customers of the casinos, open. Like:

1) They have tried the umpteenth variant of martingale and think it is bad luck that they have lost their money.
2) They create a thread regretting having lost too much money.
3) They naively believe that with bonuses and promos, the house gives them an RTP over 100, lol.

And things like that.

And if "generic posts" are enough for the campaign you're in, you could do that on several accounts. That's a very decent salary in most countries.

The difference with other campaigns that hire shitposters is that Stake actually pays quite good, and in Bitcoin instead of some made-up token.

MindlessElectron removes spam from Newbies based on keywords.
An "AI" sounds a lot like an "algorithm" that decides what you see, like any social media nowadays.

I've created Finding spam and scams by keyword.

That won't work: in many cases you can't judge a post without context. Depending on who posts it, a simple "Yes" or "No" can be a valuable post.

This actually kind of sparked an idea.. What about a script that monitors the posts of signature campaign participants (or all Bitcointalk accounts, for that matter) and immediately throws them into some sort of AI which has been trained with labeled datasets of shitposts and good posts.
If a post matches the 'shitpost' category with some high probability, it is going to be logged on a webpage. Whoever wants to, can browse through there and quickly report posts - maybe with a checkbox-type user interface. You could then even easily mark a whole set of e.g. 100 posts and only uncheck the ones that the AI mistakenly flagged.

Bonus points if this software only shows the content, no usernames and avatars or signatures. Judge purely based on post quality.

Would something like this sound helpful to our dear SpamBusters in the forum?

You're right, don't get me wrong. However, the more a user is posting, generally means that each post will be of less quality, especially if they're looking to meet a target. However, that's not always the case. I remember quite a few users that were massively active in posting, and one of them is a global moderator now; hilariousandco. While, I don't know how much they were posting at their peak, they were posting quite frequently compared to others, and their quality didn't really dip as a result. So, it can be done.

There's a few examples of this though, even to this present day. I've also gone through periods where I'm much more active, for example the last few years have been absolutely crazy in terms of sucking up my time, and I think it was the back of Covid. Only now, I've starting to get my free time again.

I use this from time to time just to monitor certain things from a moderation stand point. However, that'll give you an idea of the posters that are posting a rather large amount, and their quality. For the most part, I'd say it's pretty decent, and there's some recognisable names there.

Obviously, thanks for Loyce for creating these things for the community, probably something they think of; but, these sorts of tools can be useful for moderation from time to time.

At the end of the day, signature campaign is actually a way to do marketing of their casino and there is no harm if they want that their signature should be shown more than any other signatures in the forum. If they have a spam check mechanism in their campaign management, i don't think quantity should be a problem.


Well, lets have an example if a person posts few posts a week and they are mostly spam posts and then there is another person who post 50+ posts in a week but all of them are good ones, then whom we will think is spam poster?
I think the quantity of posts have nothing to do with the quality of posts. Some persons may have a lot of time to write a lot of constructive posts throughout the week.

I don't necessarily have any issues with the guidelines that they've put out, since most of those users shouldn't be reaching that amount of posts every week. However, the problem is that there's some pretty poor quality users in the campaign, as there's in a lot of the signature campaigns. So, I don't think it's specifically a Stake problem, except that their guidelines do encourage low quality spammers, but it's up to the manager to actually vet the applications, and get those types of users out of the campaign, and reject any future low quality posters.

One hundred posts isn't all that much, and if you haven't got a traditional job then you probably would find that easy, and I imagine there's a few users in that position. As I said, as long as their posts are constructive I don't really have a problem with it.

I've got mixed feelings about that campaign. On the one hand I think indeed incentivizes participants to make a lot of low quality posts, and I have seen some who write poor posts. But on the other hand, I have seen some pretty decent participants. The other day I checked that one I see quite a bit had written about 70 posts over the week and to me they are of decent quality.

We don't know if that person doesn't have a main job, for example. If I didn't have a main job I think I could easily write 100 posts or more a week.

In any case, most of them write in the gambling section which is what it is. Many of you don't like it and it is not a paradigm of quality but it has been and is very important in the history of this forum even though most people write low quality posts there.

They gave opportunity to expose about their brand name as much as they can all over the gambling board with negligible pay rate compared to any other signature campaign so its a kind of business at the end.

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But stake is relatively one of the highly wagered sportbook still they are not concentrating on their quality of advertising which plays a hige role when it comes to building their reputation.

I wouldn't doubt that you can churn out around 100 posts a week, and keep them substantial enough though. Only a few select users can do that though, and I'd prefer if Stake only hired some of the best users, and got rid of the ones which clearly aren't up to standard. Not just Stake though, I wish more signature campaigns had a higher threshold. You know, something akin to what companies do today with sustainability, they use it as a way of marketing themselves. Now, it kind of does my heading in, but I'll be honest seeing a signature campaign actually trying to look after the forum; I'd have respect for that. Especially, since campaign managers check every post, supposedly. I kind of wish they reported the one's they think aren't up to standard.

Alright, I know sometimes you can get that in between where they won't pay for it, and technically it doesn't break the forum rules as it might be substantial enough. However, I know there's cases where they are breaking forum rules, since I've seen it myself, and I'm not the poor sod that has to clean it up. Hilarious, globals, and those that moderate the main sections are.

Right. Absolutely, spot on. I'd love to fix the current reporting issue. I've said it before, but I'm really hoping the badges get implemented, but in such a way that users don't just max out their reports in a week or month or even a year to get them.

Isn't that person just a Stake employee?


I think this would be akin to saying janitors get paid so you might as well piss all over the floor and smear shit on the walls because that's what they get paid to deal with. In fact, I would look at it like someone is actively paying people to go around flinging shit and piss everywhere which obviously shouldn't be allowed. Sig spam should be the campaign managers job not left for mods to clean up the mess for free. Mods don't get paid unless the posts are reported and there's plenty of reports to handle without having to deal with sig spam and most sig spam isn't reported in the first place because there's so much of it and there's not much benefit to people reporting in the first place. IT would be a full time job in of itself if you were to take on the task of reporting the sig spam.

You are number 15 and I am number 102 😂

Anyway, If anyone wants a good deal from them and if they are a good poster then they will get better deal from them. They pay good. I think it's a campaign where both shitposters and good posters can benefit from it. Let the moderators do their job, they get paid for it too.

Interesting, indeed. With their current pay rates and limits, you need to write 95 posts per week to get the max. payout as a Legendary member and 125 as a Hero member. That's quite a lot. I personally find it hard to even find just 50 interesting topics per week where I can post a constructive answer / new thread or guide.
I guess at least it's gone down a bit from the 200 posts per week cap in OP..

I just noticed there's an increase in users with many posts per week.

From all Hero Members with most posts in the past week, the 15 most active ones all have a Stake signature and 14 out of those 15 are old accounts with barely any earned Merit. If they would have had to start their accounts from scratch, 1 of them would be Jr. Member and 10 of them would have had a Member Rank.

From all the Legendary Members with most post (ignoring Chart Buddy), 13 out of the 20 most actives ones have a Stake signature. Again, most of them are old accounts, and if they'd have to rank up through the Merit system, 7 out of 13 would now only have a Member Rank.

Why is Stake still paying shitposters to spam massive amounts of posts on Bitcointalk? It's a rhetorical question, their campaign manager would have been Member Rank too if it didn't reach a higher Rank before the Merit system.

I like your logic. The reason I am with Stake is because a lot of the other campaigns are full - there are apparently waiting lists with not many slots open. I agree that all other things equal, better pay leads to better posts.

However, I disagree with the notion (not from you in particular) that a high amount of earned merits ought to be a requirement for being allowed into a campaign. What I'd like to see is for merits to flow a bit more easily and evenly in the forum so more non-spammers can rise through the ranks. In my humble view, earning merits is currently a very difficult thing to do for most people.

Do I look like I am willing to do your job for you? Incompetent.

Thank you everyone for taking such an interest in the campaign, if you have evidence of someone abusing a signature campaign and you'd like to see action taken against them report them here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-a-signature-campaign-spammer-5152812

New change:


Be prepared to see a lot more spam in these sections I guess. The Stake spammers were (mostly) sticking to Gambling discussion at first, but now more are invading the normal gambling section  

At least they still pay for the megathread spam in Bitcoin discussion

Why does this problem remain unsolved? Is stake trying to become the next Yobit and get blacklisted?

I was looking now at the Chipmixer campaign and you guys have combined posts of 1831 in total in the last week, that's still lower than a one high rank member can achieve if he maximize his posts count. LOL

Thanks for showing your concern by voicing out to their thread, let's hope they'll listen to it and review their current rules.