Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 36. (Read 136139 times)

Zhou,

Please check with the hacker to see if he can return a copy of the database in addition to the stolen funds.
This would solve just about all the current difficulties.

Please help!

1) CoinExchanger is Maria, but was already banned by the staff here once for spamming/scamming so he's just using Maria instead.

2) I've already confirmed that he holds no balance at Bitcoinica.

3) He has never provided any evidence otherwise.


I hope you have -another- sockpuppet Leo, because Maria's on her way out too.

Since you've made your claim public on numerous times about owed 16000 and then 17000 BTC, would you be kind enough to provide proof that you've actually sent said amount to Bitcoinica in a form or blockchain's transaction id or a receiving bitcoin address?   Then someone who is or was involved at Bitcoinca who would have had access to wallet which received these funds could confirm it.
As it stands now your claim looks sketchy at best without any evidence.

So you better shut up, you worthless scam victims! 

My deposits in Bitcoinica represented 2 years of savings. Over 700 days of hard work and consistently living below my means. Money is earned by being a productive member of society, by adding value, not because someone doesn't agree with you on the internet.

That said, I'm happy you resisted the temptation to grab the money & run. Doing the right thing is not always the easiest thing but it must be done.

Sadly too many people in this community sucks, far from having a community of free trade, freedom and equality, we have a bunch of prepotent, trolls and provocateurs.

and an address, of course!

Totally agree, ZT. If it makes you feel better, I'm still with you.

Yes I agree. I'm not sure how others will react in similar situations. My only feeling at that time was like:

"The community is so unfair, and they assumed I'm the thief. I should probably get the money so that the unnecessary pain and psychological insecurity can be compensated for."

The problem can be quite philosophical, but I can imagine a thought experiment:

If the society punishes a thief in extreme ways, will the thief actually "deserve" what he has obtained?
If the person is actually innocent, will he be determined to become a thief to get compensation?

I have heard a story:

A kindergarten started charging a fine for parents who are late for picking up their children, in a hope that these parents will have a disincentive to arrive late in the future. However, after a while, the kindergarten discovered that the number of parents who are late everyday becomes even higher.

A psychologist has analyzed that these parents feel less guilty when they face a fine, because they believed that they had already paid for their mistakes, and they can continue making such mistakes as long as the fines are affordable.

So intuitively I feel that the more the community criticizes me, the more I deserve to actually take possession of the funds and run away (because they penalized me like I did steal the funds, and I didn't). Please don't take these words at face value. I'm just discovering what I'm actually thinking and feeling.

Thinking is not the same as doing, but it still tells a lot. I hope the "he is clearly innocent" posts authors will keep this in mind. I can't say you stole it, but so far it's still the most reasonable explanation, IMO. Kudos for returning the money though.

He is definitely unrelated with the theft. It's a basic ethical requirement for a professional security specialist to responsibly disclose vulnerabilities and not to take advantage of them.

At this point I consider his information to be irrelevant from our investigation. I was just telling you how I knew Chen Jianhai. I didn't meet him in some scammers' QQ group.

After Patrick Murck or his clients confirm the receipt of the funds, I will be working on getting the fiat part from Chen Jianhai.

It appears that he stored the vast majority of the money in his offshore bank account in Isle of Man (not Jersey, I correct myself here). It should be with Barclays International. He converted some Liberty Reserve dollars to Chinese Yuan and I can get it through Alipay, and I'll simply pay that part off with my own USD savings. (I can deal with the currency controls later. My family has 5 people, and each person can access up to US$50,000 worth of foreign exchange transactions every year.)

Also he is holding some euros due to the exchange he was using didn't have enough reserves for USD. Anyway I have access to "interbank rates" so it shouldn't be a problem as well. Considering the rising EUR/USD the USD value can be a little bit more.

I assure that I won't keep a single cent from any funds transferred to me. Also I authorize AurumXchange to send the funds directly to Patrick Murck (after he provides the bank account details) so that there will be less hassle in handling large amounts of fiat money.

So who's this new friend, does he have a name and a phone number?

edit: typo

I'll take it! Where do I send the 5BTC?

Some valuable insight at last...

shut up bitch! nobody is affariad of you, you have said the words FINAL WARNING more then 100 times on this forum, you are a liar, a scammer, and not really entertaining anymore. go back to your kitchen.

btw. you own me 5 btc.

Sure, that is also my feeling at the moment but only with constantly pressure against the involved persons coming from the whole community which fear the bad reputation on bitcoin because of such criminal acts!

LOL. A true friend believes in your integrity and supports you even when others don't. He knows my situation well enough that he can completely make his own judgement.

Also, you have never been "effective" in scamming me, where does the "more" come from?

EDIT:

I have cried twice in phone calls with a friend (not Xavier btw), because of the pressure from this community. I told him everything and I was highly motivated to continue with my life. I almost wanted to grab the money from Chen Jianhai and run away, but he told me not to.

I'll definitely co-operate with any police investigation by providing such information. However releasing the information in public isn't a good choice.

Even though as a community we can determine Chen Jianhai to be the hacker, he hasn't been proven guilty legally yet. That will only happen when he faces a criminal charge.

Also consider the irrationality of some community members I should refrain from posting anything that can potentially induce violence and personal attacks. It won't be good for Bitcoin's image and legal status (if you concern about it at all). I'll have to take into account my personal security as well.

I have his real information only because we were working on a legitimate business. He was introduced to me by a friend who works in a Shenzhen-based information security company (which does penetration tests for large corporations and government agencies). I have never considered Chen Jianhai as a "friend".

Poor guy.