Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 35. (Read 136180 times)

You mean the gold coin, yea its about $1500 in gold :-) We can't really check if he sold or not the bitcoins, so somewhat a moot point. He made a lot of mistakes already, thief or not he's already implicated up to his ears in this crime.

No. I also think that someone else was involved. It's all a big lie, (including the charges against Zhou). It is unclear what the purpose of the conspirators. Send an investigation on the wrong track? Get rid of those who may know too much? Anything else?

 I think they did not think that will go that far. Now decided to return back the clock? Operation "save bitkoin" succeed, but it became difficult to return the money (greed? Disagreement in the team? Betrayal member? What else?) I think, is guilty of a very respected member, and the whole team wants to hide it .. .just the assumption  ...

He has stated multiple times that he has savings in BTC. This implies he still considers them valuable. So, why would he sell them? He's not stupid enough to blow his cover that way if he was the thief.

If you can't support your claim with evidence of such transactions ever existed, how are you expecting Bitcoinica to honor or at the very least acknowledge what you claim is real?

You claim you funded Bitcoinica from many different sources, ok, at the very least you must have had Bitcoinica's bitcoin address where funds were sent, let's see it (it's none of my business, but since you've made this whole thing loudly public with trowing threats instead of taking official Bitcoinica's path to make your claim, the public deserves to see if the claim is indeed to be somewhat valid by verifying it with blockchain and then possibly being confirmed by someone involved with Bitcoinica who have had or has access to provided bitcoin address)

Um as far I as know Zhou declared that he leaves the bitcoin world... Which makes the above statement irrelevant.


Here his announcement, when he declares "I'll try to keep my gold bitcoin". You see no where he says he will keep bitcoins, more like I will only keep the gold one.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/im-leaving-bitcoin-81581

You don't understand. Why else would the thief sell easy-to-launder BTC? Evidently, they are of little value to him. We know that Zhou Tong considers BTC valuable, and wouldn't be stupid enough to sell the ones he stole. Therefore, Zhou did not steal them.

This is a classic framing. There is no reason to suspect otherwise.

Why is that I always have to be the one to provide a better video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNAi2jB490 (BTW, yours was very good)

Why would Chen Jianhai use your throw-away stevejobs807 gmail account for miscellaneous credit card fraud, when he could just as easily have used one of his own? I understand why he would use it for laundering the bitcoinica mtgox funds. But there's no sense to him using it months prior for miscellaneous fraudulent freight-forwarding. (on this matter, equally perplexing is why would zhoutong use his own stevejobs807 gmail, connected by prior deposits to his real mtgox account? to his favor, if zhou were the thief that would be really dumb on his part, when he could easily use any new throw-away email...)

The backstory is very cloudy. For what "legitimate business" was Chen Jianhai advising, and what was Chen's webshop?

Also, what was the source of LR funds belonging to Zhou's Singapore friend? If it is legitimate and if it belongs to said friend, how can you offer it to offset the USD payment by having AurumXchange release it to Patrick Murck?



It can be used, or cannot?

I agree, that's interesting. We should be getting some information from the investigations following the Linode and Rackspace-"hacks" now, shouldn't we?

(Unless, of course, if the service in question isn't what it claims to be. Then it would be much more important to do everything possible to keep the lid on)

Fall of bitcoinica won't be the fall of bitcoin. The market didn't even pay attention.



If Zhou is innocent the court will clear him.

Exactly. The thief must have been someone who was not interested in Bitcoin. Zhou is likely not that person.

Really seems more credible that someone tries to charge 40k dollars without being traced, also using an email account prior use, to make matters worse this email is directly linked to your account mtgox and with itself. Am I the only one who considers it absurd? In addition already having 40k bitcoins in his hand risk free.

Zhou has done more to recover our funds that Bitcoinica, I still have not seen a cent of them, have not made ​​any progress in the investigation of first hack and now are guided by a track, far from a track, is a rivulet of shit direct at the foot of zhou

Sorry, Zhou, but from the looks a bit like this ..   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBze55fIgAw

edit: I'm afraid that the ending (the end of the video) has the connotation (hidden meaning) 

After reading a lot of posts, i actually suspect zhoutong is the thief who stolen money.
A lot of persons & posts told him to go to a lawyer & stop posting.
He never did it.
Simple reason is if he goes to a lawyer, he has to tell full story & even the lawyer can threaten him in future.
But their is also another important point he has to tell.
The Chinese guy who is a multimillionaire, a some what don, collecting antique items & speculating with it.
If he tells about the Chinese to lawyer then the Chinese must face court & criminal charges.

But anyone think that a relic collector & speculator, multimillionaire, doing underworld illegal things, will use the toughest method of money making which run by mostly computer professionals & geeks called Bitcoin, which cant be understood easily by others & cheat customers?

A true criminal will never use a way to cheat when he don't understand it.
Besides a true criminal always use & cheat people when he knows a lot about the thing he use to cheat.
Basically a successful criminal will never use a way he don't understand & depending on others.
A successful criminal always want to be independent then only he can cheat & never have assets or money in his/her name & also in his family persons names.

This means only one thing their is a real Chinese criminal, which was/is active now & when his name comes in tv or news wont feel happy.
If zhoutang goes to lawyer ,then the Chinese criminal has to face court.

Zhoutong USING the name of a well known criminal & if he tells this to his lawyer then the Chinese guy even try kill zhoutong for using his name in a crime which he never did.
Zhoutong is just fooling & cheating every one by telling daily new & new stories.

Zhoutong saw & heard many Bitcoin hacks & thought he can also steal & put it on an unknown hacker, so no one will find him & he will go free.
But many didn't believe his story, so he now connected a Chinese guy & building story around it.
If he goes to lawyer then he has to face Chinese guy & they wont let him go.
Zhoutong WILL NEVER go to lawyer & also never stop posting.

He is posting daily for only one reason.
If some one not replies or post , then the victims will get angry & try to find him by using detective methods or ip address.......
So, he daily replying & coming online & showing victims that he didn't vanished or absconded.
He know very clearly that until he response in forum, no one will do any harsh things, like finding him, threatening him, threatening parents....etc etc etc...

Also he know clearly that its not that easy to put against him for Bitcoin fraud, coz Bitcoin can't be understood easily by normal people.
So, if some one files case against him,. then the lawyer & police MUST have know what is Bitcoin & how he used it to cheat....

Also when i read all his posts, i don't think he is 17 year old person.
He using English language very well & not typing as a normal 17 year old do , like using smileys, acronyms....slang language, meme....
I think he must be at least 25+ years old to type with out using any normal 17 guys use to chat.
His replies shows a professionalism.

So, in total, zhoutong took money & try to cheat every one, but caught in the middle, now daily replying posts & keep on passing time.
He also MAY give back all the money, coz the money never went to any Chinese guy & if it goes legal then he not only has to face law, but also has to face an angry Chinese criminal gang.
He is just telling stories, so that no one will come & find his real place & real life.  

I like psychology actually. I'm thinking about the 5000 BTC you donated right after the "hack". This donation could be interpreted as indulgence for your bad conscience, if you were actually the thief!

About community, that is supposedly unfair. I think it neither fair or unfair, it just evaluates the data. It's not personal! If we are biased in any way, my guess is we are actually biased in your favour, because you have had quite a reputation!

Just to summarize the data:
- the stevejobs email, that was used in the hack, was yours
- you used it in some other activities, where you wanted to hide your identity
- the "hacker" knew, that the MtGox api keys are stored in LastPass. You also knew.
- the "hacker" figured out the LastPass password. You knew the password.
- since some of the stolen funds were returned, we can actually eliminate all other suspects (Consultancy, Tihan), except you and your (imaginary?) "friend"
- let's say your "friend" (with whom you said had no contact for months before the hack) knew the intimate security of Bitcoinica... what is the most reasonable explanation as to who he got it from?
- 5000 BTC can be interpreted as indulgence

If this is all a big coincidence... well... I say the universe has a strong sense of humor!

The same way the police do in a questioning: Ask a whole bunch of questions until the answers start contradicting, then bingo, we have a liar.

Even a simple lie is extremely hard to keep coherent, since it has to fit in with reality and itself, while reality is quite easy to keep making sense and not contradicting itself.

Yes, many years ago, Leo and I decided to become one and he same. We complement each other in a way your small brain can not comprehend.

As some of you may know, we own a private exchange that handles liberty reserve and bitcoin transactions. We also have similar platforms that run with Perfect Money and Pecunix in other languages. In the physical world, we own many different businesses that range from banana boat rentals, to restaurants, to real estate property.

The reason why we are into cryptocurrencies is strictly because anonymity and the bitcoinica claims process wanted us to breach precisely that.

Our deposits into bitcoinica came in many ways and forms all from our client base, so there is no way we can check the blockchain for transactions.

Today, we still run and transfer thousands daily using Mt. Gox, Bitinstant, AurumXchange, CryptoXchange, and Campbx.. The lost of bitcoinica is only a thread of our financial spiderweb. Unfortunately it was one of my favorites until the events happened.

There you have it guys.

@Matthew I have more Skype conversations of you BEGGING for money for your BS projects. Good luck bum!

Maria.

With the way this soap opera is unfolding,  you never know.

Zhou,  please see what you can do to get a copy of the database!

It is assumed that Chen Jianhai was an opportunist, due to the recent leak of source code, not part of the first group of hackers who destroyed bitcoinica.