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vip
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Because they involved your account in the crime and also, according to you (Zhou Tong) used it for credit card fraud. People file police reports for much, much smaller thefts. Insurance companies have people file reports as a sign of honesty. Lots of reasons to file a report.


The hacker didn't steal from me. Why should I file a police report?


The credit card fraud isn't for me. He used someone else card to buy stuff and ship to a freight forwarder. And he entered that email address for the order.
hero member
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Hello world!
Next time you hear someone say "Fuck the police" or "fuck lawyers" then please think of this thread.

This should have been handled by the police regarding the criminal matters and by a bancruptcy attorney regarding Bitcoinica not being able to pay all debtors.

Oh yeah, and then Zhoutong should have had a defense attorney, whose first advice to his client would be along the lines of "stfu".
member
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I predict a ponytroll response incoming in 3...2...1...
newbie
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Hey Zhou, does this ring any bells?

  • kid hacks together a flaky leveraged trading platform
  • everyone on HN tells him to pack it up now before lots of people lose lots of money, he doesn't listen
  • site is losing money, the kid is in way over his head
  • kid keeps losses secret, perhaps covers with his own money hoping he can make it work
  • foolish buyer appears - the kid happily dumps the mess he's made
  • no longer feeling responsible, he trivially fakes a hack (those annoying forum critics were predicting it so let them have it!) and sets himself up with a nice stash of bitcoins
  • kid's attempt to just walk away fail as new owners start questioning the lack of promised profits
  • time for another hack (it worked so well the first time!) but this time the goal is getting rid of the database that most likely contradicted lies told to the new owner
  • the poor suckers left holding the bag flail around trying to figure out who to give the remaining money
  • emboldened by prior success, the kid sees yet another opportunity to loot the steaming rubble of his handiwork
  • this time he gets careless and gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, concocts a story less believable than the plot of Prometheus

Enough with the lies. I am sympathetic to the story of an ambitious kid who got in too deep and can't figure a way out but a window for claiming this story is rapidly closing. If you stick with your current course you are embracing your new identity of a boldfaced liar and a thief.

You probably still believe you can fix this and come out relatively unscathed but you are deluding yourself. It's time to tell the truth - all of it. It will free you and trust me - the consequences won't be anywhere near as severe as the alternative.
member
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Still at square 1. The possibilities are:

1) retard

2) thief

either way, not so hot.


3) retarded thief

I stand corrected Wink
hero member
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Still at square 1. The possibilities are:

1) retard

2) thief

either way, not so hot.


3) retarded thief
member
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This is why I don't believe Zhou.

Zhou claimed:

That his business associate stole his password when he signed up on a website.
That his business associate had access to the source code prior to anyone else.
That his business associate knew who was Chris Heaslip!
That his business associate quickly decides to return funds when confronted!

Now replace the business associate with Zhou.. And it makes a lot of sense.

He had access to the email, which he havent used in a while.
Knew the password for lastpass and the source code.
Knew all the people in bitcoinica.
And of course had access to the stolen funds.


This is the evidence just from Zhou, not aurumxchange.

That email was protected with my weakest password that I reused everywhere and even shared with some other people. I didn't have to protect that email at all because it's meant to be semi-sockpuppet anyway.

He had access to source code after genjix released it.

Chris Heaslip's Mt. Gox account was stored alongside Wendon's in the LastPass. Obviously he didn't know which one had more money so he logged in to both.

I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.

I don't know where you got all the misleading information from.
You shared the password with other people?  To an account that had the ability to withdrawal the loot?  Doesn't that sound like something you should have mentioned to your loyal customers and the people who bought this business from you?  A "sockpuppet" account???

Still at square 1. The possibilities are:

1) retard

2) thief

either way, not so hot.
legendary
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rippleFanatic
I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.

How did you get his personal information?

It seems to me that a hypothetical someone involved with credit card fraud and laundering of funds through LR or suspicious bank accounts (Liu Haipeng) would communicate with you only through his internet alias. You already admitted you've never met this individual in person, only on the internet. What reason would he have to tell you his name, his wife's name, and their bank accounts and addresses? If he were to provide you business advice about anti-fraud measures, the most likely way for him to request payment for his services would be to tell you his AliPay account, not his family's addresses and bank account numbers.

That's the hardest part to believe about this hypothetical Chen Jianhai.

Its plausible that a random someone would verify that [email protected] is a LastPass account, and also plausible that they would try the API key as the password. If it were a random thief there would be no coincidence. But for that same someone to be your previous "business associate" who also has your stevejobs gmail password, well that's a heck of a coincidence. Unless you were to claim that you also mentioned to this person that you use LastPass, but you never did.
legendary
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www.bitcointrading.com
This is why I don't believe Zhou.

Zhou claimed:

That his business associate stole his password when he signed up on a website.
That his business associate had access to the source code prior to anyone else.
That his business associate knew who was Chris Heaslip!
That his business associate quickly decides to return funds when confronted!

Now replace the business associate with Zhou.. And it makes a lot of sense.

He had access to the email, which he havent used in a while.
Knew the password for lastpass and the source code.
Knew all the people in bitcoinica.
And of course had access to the stolen funds.


This is the evidence just from Zhou, not aurumxchange.

That email was protected with my weakest password that I reused everywhere and even shared with some other people. I didn't have to protect that email at all because it's meant to be semi-sockpuppet anyway.

He had access to source code after genjix released it.

Chris Heaslip's Mt. Gox account was stored alongside Wendon's in the LastPass. Obviously he didn't know which one had more money so he logged in to both.

I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.

I don't know where you got all the misleading information from.
You shared the password with other people?  To an account that had the ability to withdrawal the loot?  Doesn't that sound like something you should have mentioned to your loyal customers and the people who bought this business from you?  A "sockpuppet" account???
hero member
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So what are you going to say?  We think your son is responsible for a major crime and we want you to do something about it?  A crime which hasn't even been reported to the authorities?  What ability do they have to determine whether or not Zhou is responsible?

This isn't being proposed as a "your kid's got himself into a tight spot and he could use your help" kind of thing.  What additional benefit is there to involving Zhou's parents?

Don't get me wrong, I think the way this is being handled is sketchy as hell but I don't see how involving Zhou's parents is going to make it any less sketchy.

As strict as his parents sound from an interview with ZT by the Bitcoin Magazine they might whoop his ass like no other.

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Q: So, let’s start out with the basics. What type of family did you grow up with? What portions of your childhood do you think contributed the most to your character and work ethic?

A: I grew up in an ordinary Chinese extended family with hard-working parents. My grandparents were the ones looking after me in childhood. Up to the age of 12, I had no pocket money at all because my family pretty much decided everything for me. The only thing that I had to concentrate on was studying. I was not good at anything else, basically.

I would say there’s nothing interesting in my childhood. No toys, no cartoons and no comic books. I stayed happy because I could always get very good results and everyone in family was proud of me, and luckily I loved most of the compulsory subjects in school – especially Math, Physics, Chemistry and English.

The greatest influence to myself happened after going to Singapore. After being posted to The Affiliated High School of SCNU
hero member
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Hmm. BitInstant (whom Roger Ver is part owner of), MtGox and AurumXchange start a thread about how Zhou Tong is a hacker and a thief (advised by their attorney) which breaks all of their privacy agreements of their own companies and is basically libel.

MtGox listens to the advice of BitInstant's attorney, someone who doesn't even work for them.

They the whole boys club suddenly decides that Roger Ver, Charlie Shrem and company's attorney should be the one holding ALL customer funds for Bitcoinica with a vague condition of "until things get worked out" or something to that degree (which could be that Patrick Murck independently decides that Roger Ver should get paid out first, 100%, everyone else paid later for all we know).

It's obvious that Bitcoinica's lack of accountability and management of this issue is appalling, but come on guys-- you don't think there is any problem with this picture?

Excuse me. Please consult with me first before throwing stupid rumors across the forums.

BitInstant is not holding the funds nor has any part of this. I was consulted after it was done.

As far as I understand, the funds are being held in some kind of trust account.

Your free to speak to Patrick Murck about it yourself.

-Charlie

I think if this is done, it is a wise choice. Some money held with an attorney of representatives of group that tries to recover funds is WAY better than having nothing. This is a good progress.

Would you prefer this money to be transferred to intersango trio? Those guys are now clear target for recovery of the rest of the funds from their personal funds and assets and are not to be trusted with any money. It seems likely that they have either committed a breach of fiduciary duty (by their inaction as directors and operators of Bitcoinica) or committed an act of fraud by misrepresenting their position to public. What a nice choice.
hero member
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When a 17 year old kid knocks a baseball through my window and tries to blame someone else I would go talk to the 17-year kid's parents.  I don't see why they would not be contacted for this.

So what are you going to say?  We think your son is responsible for a major crime and we want you to do something about it?  A crime which hasn't even been reported to the authorities?  What ability do they have to determine whether or not Zhou is responsible?

This isn't being proposed as a "your kid's got himself into a tight spot and he could use your help" kind of thing.  What additional benefit is there to involving Zhou's parents?

Don't get me wrong, I think the way this is being handled is sketchy as hell but I don't see how involving Zhou's parents is going to make it any less sketchy.

I don't think anyone should talk to his parents.  If he is lying though, he needs to talk to his parents.  At this point in the game it would seem that things are looking good for us waiting for payments.
hero member
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When a 17 year old kid knocks a baseball through my window and tries to blame someone else I would go talk to the 17-year kid's parents.  I don't see why they would not be contacted for this.

So what are you going to say?  We think your son is responsible for a major crime and we want you to do something about it?  A crime which hasn't even been reported to the authorities?  What ability do they have to determine whether or not Zhou is responsible?

This isn't being proposed as a "your kid's got himself into a tight spot and he could use your help" kind of thing.  What additional benefit is there to involving Zhou's parents?

Don't get me wrong, I think the way this is being handled is sketchy as hell but I don't see how involving Zhou's parents is going to make it any less sketchy.
hero member
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Maybe we should contact ZT's parents.  Do they live in Guangzhou?

I think that's a terrible idea.  If further investigation by competent authorities implicates Zhou then his parents will find out soon enough.  Harassing his parents is way out of line and should be rejected as an option if only because Maria made similar threats and nobody should see stooping to her level as acceptable.

When a 17 year old kid knocks a baseball through my window and tries to blame someone else I would go talk to the 17-year kid's parents.  I don't see why they would not be contacted for this.

+1
hero member
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Maybe we should contact ZT's parents.  Do they live in Guangzhou?

I think that's a terrible idea.  If further investigation by competent authorities implicates Zhou then his parents will find out soon enough.  Harassing his parents is way out of line and should be rejected as an option if only because Maria made similar threats and nobody should see stooping to her level as acceptable.

When a 17 year old kid knocks a baseball through my window and tries to blame someone else I would go talk to the 17-year kid's parents.  I don't see why they would not be contacted for this.
hero member
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Maybe we should contact ZT's parents.  Do they live in Guangzhou?

I think that's a terrible idea.  If further investigation by competent authorities implicates Zhou then his parents will find out soon enough.  Harassing his parents is way out of line and should be rejected as an option if only because Maria made similar threats and nobody should see stooping to her level as acceptable.
legendary
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That email was protected with my weakest password that I reused everywhere and even shared with some other people. I didn't have to protect that email at all because it's meant to be semi-sockpuppet anyway.
Ahem...
* Mark Karpeles indicated that there was an account opened at MtGox using the email [email protected] sometime in 2011.
* Mark replied stating that there was activity on this account, that the account was opened using an IP address belonging to Microsoft Singapore, that Zhou Tong was known to have worked for said company at said location, that the email [email protected] have been verified, and that ALL activity on this account is linked to the MtGox account belonging to Zhou Tong.
* Mark has also indicated that the very first operation on the MtGox account opened with email [email protected] was the redeeming of a 10 BTC MtGox code generated from Zhou Tong's account.
* Charlie indicated that Erik Vorhees (a well known member of this community) has emails he exchanged with Zhou using the email address [email protected].
Might want to look into protecting the accounts you use at financial exchanges in the future.
hero member
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This is why I don't believe Zhou.

Zhou claimed:

That his business associate stole his password when he signed up on a website.
That his business associate had access to the source code prior to anyone else.
That his business associate knew who was Chris Heaslip!
That his business associate quickly decides to return funds when confronted!

Now replace the business associate with Zhou.. And it makes a lot of sense.

He had access to the email, which he havent used in a while.
Knew the password for lastpass and the source code.
Knew all the people in bitcoinica.
And of course had access to the stolen funds.


This is the evidence just from Zhou, not aurumxchange.

That email was protected with my weakest password that I reused everywhere and even shared with some other people. I didn't have to protect that email at all because it's meant to be semi-sockpuppet anyway.

He had access to source code after genjix released it.

Chris Heaslip's Mt. Gox account was stored alongside Wendon's in the LastPass. Obviously he didn't know which one had more money so he logged in to both.

I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.

I don't know where you got all the misleading information from.

It isn't that I do not believe you ZT, but these are bold claims.  I hope you will be able to back all of this up if you have to.  I trust that you wouldn't state this about having her information if you really didn't.  In my mind there is still a small possibility you are involved, of course no one here as a regular member has all the information, but I suggest if you are telling stories to talk to your parents about what you have done.  They may be held responsible somehow if you are a minor - not really sure how all that works.  Regardless, you will bring them trouble.  No reason to shame your family over this.  It will be very newsworthy I would imagine.

Maybe we should contact ZT's parents.  Do they live in Guangzhou?
hero member
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This is why I don't believe Zhou.

Zhou claimed:

That his business associate stole his password when he signed up on a website.
That his business associate had access to the source code prior to anyone else.
That his business associate knew who was Chris Heaslip!
That his business associate quickly decides to return funds when confronted!

Now replace the business associate with Zhou.. And it makes a lot of sense.

He had access to the email, which he havent used in a while.
Knew the password for lastpass and the source code.
Knew all the people in bitcoinica.
And of course had access to the stolen funds.


This is the evidence just from Zhou, not aurumxchange.

That email was protected with my weakest password that I reused everywhere and even shared with some other people. I didn't have to protect that email at all because it's meant to be semi-sockpuppet anyway.

He had access to source code after genjix released it.

Chris Heaslip's Mt. Gox account was stored alongside Wendon's in the LastPass. Obviously he didn't know which one had more money so he logged in to both.

I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.

I don't know where you got all the misleading information from.

It isn't that I do not believe you ZT, but these are bold claims.  I hope you will be able to back all of this up if you have to.  I trust that you wouldn't state this about having her information if you really didn't.  In my mind there is still a small possibility you are involved, of course no one here as a regular member has all the information, but I suggest if you are telling stories to talk to your parents about what you have done.  They may be held responsible somehow if you are a minor - not really sure how all that works.  Regardless, you will bring them trouble.  No reason to shame your family over this.  It will be very newsworthy I would imagine.
hero member
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I know a lot of his personal information (especially his and his wife's bank accounts and address), and I threatened to report to police if he didn't agree to refund.


Actually, you have to release the information to the authorities or you are an accomplice.  These were not your funds he stole.
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