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Topic: Steem pyramid scheme revealed - page 37. (Read 107064 times)

legendary
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August 30, 2016, 01:31:24 AM
How do you recover your active key?

I have the master key and the post key, but can't find an option to recover the other keys.

Use the password reset with your owner key (I assume that is what you are referring to as the master key).


Bitcoin has not gone mainstream because ordinary people are creeped out by Crypto Culture...

Bitcoin hasn't gone mainstream because if I have to stay awake at night worrying about how the actions of Jihan Wu, or Gmaxwell reacting to his actions is going to do to the price, then we obviously have no Nash equilibrium.  Seems like the software was designed in a way assuming there would be so many individual miners that one person influencing all of them would not be possible, and the act of forking would involve just blind voting without collusion.  Bitcoin just has a lot of annoyances like this where you can't really justify it's market cap going equal or higher than metals.

Both wrong. Bitcoin hasn't gone mainstream because mainstream is happy with USD/EUR/etc. and Bitcoin doesn't give them the order of magnitude advantages that are necessary to overcome the huge network effect.

This was less true in 2009-2011 in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Many people were open to at least the possibility to think about replacing the existing system and be their own bank, even if that involved some compromises. Memories are short and now they are not.

Crypto as mainstream is waiting for the next financial crisis to even have enough potential to get off the ground that people are willing to really invest in trying to make that happen. For now it is fringe uses (though this includes some very large ones potentially, just not "mainstream"), experiments, and a solution in search of a problem.

sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 01:13:36 AM
Thanks for repeating what I already know and not addressing any of my points.

Go quantify with actual revenue estimates your "pretty good" and then you might understand why I guesstimated it is a waste. Generally speaking if you are reverting to ad-funded, you've already lost.

I don't see it that way. If I'm not maximizing my revenue, it's money left on the table that could be used to fund my authors that could then increase my content and the content pull more users and more viewers which in turn bring in more ad revenue...

$1  Huh (10,000 not signed in readers per blog post)

And the cost of showing new users an ad-fucked site.

Man I feel like you need me to explain everything to you 3 times before you get the point.

Accidentally deleted my prior post:

Generally speaking if you are reverting to ad-funded, you've already lost.

This is why Steemit got so much attention. It is creating payouts for blogging which are not normally seen from ad-funding.

Just do some simple math. A typical payout for type of targeting you are thinking of is perhaps $1 or less per CPM. The blog author would need a million (probably 10 million) readers to earn $1000 on a blog post. That ain't going to happen.
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 01:11:36 AM
Thanks for repeating what I already know and not addressing any of my points.

Go quantify with actual revenue estimates your "pretty good" and then you might understand why I guesstimated it is a waste. Generally speaking if you are reverting to ad-funded, you've already lost.

I don't see it that way. If I'm not maximizing my revenue, it's money left on the table that could be used to fund my authors that could then increase my content and the content pull more users and more viewers which in turn bring in more ad revenue...
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 01:04:41 AM
Otherwise they'd quit facebook the moment someone posted something they perceive as "hurtful" that took 500 likes.

My mother uses Facebook to communicate about dog rescue and she never looks at the feed page. So she has a need fulfilled and she is not offended.

My gf has told me she hates when Facebook shows her extreme violence and porn on her feed, and also she really hates when people add her to a group without her permission. But she stays on Facebook because all her contacts are there and she gets gratification that far exceeds those rarer transgressions (including lots of shares about cute dogs, clothes, etc).

Steem is trying to onboard and attract users away from existing establish networks. Steem has a lot of bizarre philosophical babble that is going to be absolutely meaningless to my gf for example. And to my mom, I am sure she would get her nose bent of out joint 5 minutes after opening Steemit and she would NOT be coming back. She doesn't need that stress in her life. Also my mom told me she has no time to blog (age 70) even though she used to be a newspaper co-editor. And I know my gf would never write long-form blogs. She prefers short-form microblogging.

All I ever see when I open FB is all the updates of photos of friends. Facebook is never bombarding me with content that offends me. It serves my limited purpose as a communication tool only.

Reddit is smaller than FB or twitter precisely because reddit serves different needs than the other two networks.

Steemit is going to "compete" more in the reddit/forum/blogging demographics, rather than ...twitter/fb/instagram etc. Naturally, these demographics may be unsuited for people that are bored to read or write, that feel offended in everything they read, etc etc. You accept that and move on. If the target market drops from 2bn to 200mn or 50mn (+billions in page views from links), it's still a pretty large market.

Nobody will make a blockchain based or centralized facebook killer for the next couple of years. Even google+ failed... and they actually tried to onboard users by forcing them there through the associated services (gmail/youtube etc).
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 01:04:09 AM
I completely agree it is generally insane for a man to marry in a Western country.

H.P. Lovecraft said he thought about killing himself before, but the main reason he would not do it is because of intellectual curiosity, that there's too many gaps in knowledge that exist and "adventures in antiquity".  Doing the generic marriage and living in the suburbs thing is kind of the equivalent of death in that regard.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:52:14 AM
You'll probably lack much of the data on the user's preferences and habits in order to make ads more relevant for significant revenue.

This is doing nothing to create an ecosystem for the token.

Rough guesstimate appears to me to be a waste. You also show new users that the site is another ad-fucked place.

I know the topic they are reading and I may have browsing history too (from other things they've read on steemit), not to mention cookies... so.... I have a pretty good starting point for targeted ads.

Thanks for repeating what I already know and not addressing any of my points.

Go quantify with actual revenue estimates your "pretty good" and then you might understand why I guesstimated it is a waste. Generally speaking if you are reverting to ad-funded, you've already lost.
legendary
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Merit: 1049
August 30, 2016, 12:51:18 AM
-how to make money from these visitors (I think I've cracked this by proposing a different treatment: only serving ads to the non-logged users while registered/logged users have an ad-free experience)

You'll probably lack much of the data on the user's preferences and habits in order to make ads more relevant for significant revenue.

This is doing nothing to create an ecosystem for the token.

Rough guesstimate appears to me to be a waste. You also show new users that the site is another ad-fucked place.

I know the topic they are reading and I may have browsing history too (from other things they've read on steemit), not to mention cookies... so.... I have a pretty good starting point for targeted ads.


-how to incentivize them to register / participate as registered users to drop a few comments, hang around, etc.

Exactly. Make sure you blast them with bizarre content that offends them.

Lol...
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:46:30 AM
Otherwise they'd quit facebook the moment someone posted something they perceive as "hurtful" that took 500 likes.

My mother uses Facebook to communicate about dog rescue and she never looks at the feed page. So she has a need fulfilled and she is not offended.

My gf has told me she hates when Facebook shows her extreme violence and porn on her feed, and also she really hates when people add her to a group without her permission. But she stays on Facebook because all her contacts are there and she gets gratification that far exceeds those rarer transgressions (including lots of shares about cute dogs, clothes, etc).

Steem is trying to onboard and attract users away from existing established networks. Steem has a lot of bizarre philosophical babble that is going to be absolutely meaningless to my gf for example. And to my mom, I am sure she would get her nose bent of out joint 5 minutes after opening Steemit and she would NOT be coming back. She doesn't need that stress in her life. Also my mom told me she has no time to blog (age 70) even though she used to be a newspaper co-editor. And I know my gf would never write long-form blogs. She prefers short-form microblogging.

All I ever see when I open FB is all the updates of photos of friends. Facebook is never bombarding me with content that offends me. It serves my limited purpose as a communication tool only.

Edit: my gf recently wrote a microblog post on her FB share recently about how historically some Chinese women tied their feet in shoes that were too small. I was surprised that she wrote she had been researching this topic. She posted a photo and a link. She likes to get comments feedback on her microblog share posts.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:42:12 AM
Bitcoin has not gone mainstream because ordinary people are creeped out by Crypto Culture...
(And the egomaniacal hyper-geeks that want to replace all things human with robots and code)...
So to point fingers at Steemit from Freaking BitcoinTalk, the single most degenerate site on the web, is laughable.  

Agree to some extent, but I think the more significant reason is because they haven't had any need for crypto or blockchains.

The only selling point of Steem is the lie that you can make money from blogging. Thus not compelling to a wide usership. Thus Steem is failing viral adoption.
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 12:41:05 AM
Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end.

You may not understand women very well.

Go insulting a woman's entire goal and philosophy of life and you think this will just bounce off their feelings and subconscious mind. Again I am not referring to women who have forsaken that K selection strategy (e.g. many Westerners).

And it's not just this content example. This point applies to content in general and how tuned in (engaged) do readers feel to what is being ranked highly for them.

I think women can differentiate between the platform and the post. Otherwise they'd quit facebook the moment someone posted something they perceive as "hurtful" that took 500 likes.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:27:15 AM
I don't "hate" women, I just recognize the fact that even though they've developed an evolutionary tactic to smile a lot, doesn't make them fundamentally good creatures, and that even though women love to claim men are out to try and "use" them, it's actually the woman who is 10x a bigger offender in that regard in trying to exploit men.

It is a game of life, love, etc. You may or may not be very adept. You can get women to do things for you and to raise your offspring, if you are adroit. Or perhaps you may prefer to hire servants instead. To each his own. That could be a very long discussion that is needless for us in this thread. I would tend to agree that if your objective is maximize your wealth, then probably better to hire servants and stay out of the love aspect. Some men may not be able to afford servants, or they may find that mixing love with it makes the cost cheaper and benefits greater (at least for a while).

I completely agree it is generally insane for a man to marry in a Western country.

This is a tangent I wish we would not have wasted time on. My only relevant point to this thread is that not everyone has the same preferences for content and some content which may appear logical to you, may appear bizarre to others and possibly even offend them.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
-how to make money from these visitors (I think I've cracked this by proposing a different treatment: only serving ads to the non-logged users while registered/logged users have an ad-free experience)

You'll probably lack much of the data on the user's preferences and habits in order to make ads more relevant for significant revenue.

This is doing nothing to create an ecosystem for the token.

Rough guesstimate appears to me to be a waste. You also show new users that the site is another ad-fucked place.

-how to incentivize them to register / participate as registered users to drop a few comments, hang around, etc.

Exactly. Make sure you blast them with bizarre content that offends them.
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.

You hate women. So that tells you right there that you are not in touch with any non-destructing form of civilization. So you would support bizzarro content that is hate speech against women (or specifically to those which participate in monogamy and/or marriage).

I want to build a system that supports your desire to do that, without impinging on those who don't want to be exposed to it.

I am not going to repeat everything I already wrote on Steemit about some hypothesis involving monogamy, R and K selection, etc..  Needless tangent. Indeed my point was that men don't have the problem with asymmetry in the developing countries. Men can walk away from the women after impregnating them and never pay a dime. There is a lot of deep analysis on how that changes everything.

I don't "hate" women, I just recognize the fact that even though they've developed an evolutionary tactic to smile a lot, doesn't make them fundamentally good creatures, and that even though women love to claim men are out to try and "use" them, it's actually the woman who is 10x a bigger offender in that regard in trying to exploit men.  So yes, women are basically vampires.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:11:27 AM
Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.

You hate women. So that tells you right there that you are not in touch with any non-destructing form of civilization. So you would support bizzarro content that is hate speech against women (or specifically to those which participate in monogamy and/or marriage).

I want to build a system that supports your desire to do that, without impinging on those who don't want to be exposed to it.

I am not going to repeat everything I already wrote on Steemit about some hypothesis involving monogamy, R and K selection, etc..  Needless tangent. Indeed my point was that men don't have the problem with asymmetry in the developing countries. Men can walk away from the women after impregnating them and never pay a dime. There is a lot of deep analysis on how that changes everything.
sr. member
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August 30, 2016, 12:04:13 AM
Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end.

You may not understand women very well.

Go insulting a woman's entire goal and philosophy of life and you think this will just bounce off their feelings and subconscious mind. Again I am not referring to women who have forsaken that K selection strategy (e.g. many Westerners).

And it's not just this content example. This point applies to content in general and how tuned in (engaged) do readers feel to what is being ranked highly for them.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
August 29, 2016, 11:59:22 PM
How do you recover your active key?

I have the master key and the post key, but can't find an option to recover the other keys.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 11:54:40 PM
Did I want to remove to content or did I want to remove whale's deciding what the culture of Steem should be.

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

Oooor, whales upvoting diverse material. Diversity maximizes "reach". It's like the monogamy/polygamy debate. Both get visibility and people who agree with X or Z.

I suppose my issue is with the default ranking putting that "diversity" in front everyone's face who would be repulsed by it:

Even his posts might be worth $2000 in a large ecosystem, they still wouldn't be ranked very highly for the majority of readers in a system that was correctly prioritizing attention.

Again I will try to get you understand my point is not that diversity is undesirable, but that putting hate speech in front of people's faces that repulses them, is another way to make them leave.

Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end. Usability, lack of network effect, difficulty in enduring the emotional roller-coaster of seeming "rejection", difficulty in making money, etc etc, would probably rank in the higher end.

Btw, I think readers could be readers even without signing up. The model of traffic that we currently have (most steem-ians / steem-ers are registered & logged in, consuming all kinds of content), will probably change significantly as the content grows. Eventually most of the readers will be people coming from google, people that saw a link on fb/twitter/forum, etc etc. These will be coming to read just 1 link/1 page and probably some of the top comments. It's exactly how I use reddit right now (I don't have a reddit account, but I do click on links to read some reddit content). So at that point the ratio of unregistered/non-logged in to registered/logged-in users will tend to heavily favor the first. By then, it won't matter what the front page has because most traffic will be from people entering to read specific articles. Like it doesn't matter to me what the reddit front page has because I don't ever go there. I only click reddit links with articles. Some times /bitcoin too for bitcoin-related news...

So, when we reach a similar level in steem, what will matter then is

-how to make money from these visitors (I think I've cracked this by proposing a different treatment: only serving ads to the non-logged users while registered/logged users have an ad-free experience)
-how to incentivize them to register / participate as registered users to drop a few comments, hang around, etc.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.
sr. member
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August 29, 2016, 11:50:19 PM
Monogamists are losers

There is a lot of truth to that, seeing as how the male to female relationship is always completely asymmetrical in the woman's favor at the expense of the man:

Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

My point is that it makes Steemit look like a bizzarro Western fornication cesspoll to people who outside the West, who were raised in traditional family structure and appreciation for marriage.

I am very aware of this culture clash, because on the Philippine dating sites you have a predominance of Western men who want to masturbate in webcam in front of these ladies who are serious about marriage. You can go read the profiles of the ladies and see every other profile is pissed off about this. The men's profiles are predominantly atheist or agnostic, and the ladies nearly all Christian and religious.
legendary
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August 29, 2016, 11:47:39 PM
Monogamists are losers

There is a lot of truth to that, seeing as how the male to female relationship is always completely asymmetrical in the woman's favor at the expense of the man:

http://www.theprimalmale.com/how-women-view-men/

Or to put it another way, just about everything women want is detrimental to the man's freedom or resources.  Putting women up on a pedestal just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  It's kind of like humans who worship Satan even though Satan supposedly wants them to die.
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