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Quote from: noormcs5 on November 03, 2023, 11:53:55 AM

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Even if the winner does not donate anything, it is his personal wish and no one should criticise on it.

Exactly, the winner is not obliged to pay anything at all and whoever thinks that the money came free why not asking governments to donate all the money that whoever is in need because literally money is created out of thin air and they have a reason why system doesn't work like that.

In US even the tipping culture is getting out of control and sooner or later we might see changes in it as well and I am from the region where you will be thanked no matter whether you tip or not also in a country like Japan tipping is considered as disrespectful act.

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Haters will say all kind of things just because it wasn't them. Let me tell you this, if it was them they won't share a penny with others. Just because some person did it, they came out saying that he should do better? This is pure nonsense. It is my winning and I can do whatever I want with it. All those opinions on the internet doesn't mean a shit.

They can't do it on their own and when people are doing it, they are jealous. They think that by doing this and dragging that person would make them famous and they would get sympathy from others. They want to be that guy but they can't. He has on that on his own and he has every right to do whatever he wants with it. He can give it all or keep it all to himself. It's a personal choice. I don't get the idea of people hating others for doing something that they can't. Why don't they just go gamble and win on their own and give it out to people as they say?

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Quote from: len01 on November 03, 2023, 03:57:40 AM

a common occurrence that often occurs when a gambler wins big and donates a little money to other people but still feels that it is not equivalent to what he got and gives a lot of bad criticism and it happens not only in gambling, I have experienced this when bullish arrives my assets became higher in price and I suddenly had a lot of money and tried to give someone the amount I thought was appropriate but it turned out to be a problem because he knew the amount I got so he seemed to want to ask for more than I gave but in a way the bad ones give harsh criticism but I consider it just nonsense, the most important thing is my good intentions.

In this case, I sometimes relate to how important it is to secret gambling activities. when you get a big win, no one will know and no one will beg in any way.

This sucks when happens. This is why many gamblers are trying to conceal their selves when playing. The other benefit it can give is security because someone can rob you out or hack your account when they know you just won a huge amount. If those people complain maybe say that can I have the amount again? If they think it's small.

Let see if what they will do. If they return it then they mean what they say but if not, then those people might only be joking too, though there is still a hope that the other person can give them extra. I remember scenarios like this also happens on the street children and beggars on the side walk. It's crazy.

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It wasn't a lot of money to begin with. 100k naira is just 100 bucks or 100 euro. It's the amount of money many people spend in a bar for drinks alone. A family meal at a normal (not fancy) restaurant can cost you that much, but I understand that in Nigeria it's a lot of money and that's where the real problem starts. People criticize the gambler for not tipping more money but it was a lot of money to begin with. I suspect that that punter's daily wage wasn't anything near 100k that he got from the gambler. Ask any waiter or bartender if getting a daily wage in a single tip is big or not and you'll see what I mean.

I feel like he did good, was nice to the guy, gave him a tip and that tip wasn't by no means too low and I'm sure they were both happy with the outcome.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

Getting to X (twitter) some people started dragging and criticizing the gambler and calling him names, that the N100k he gave to the punters out of N15.5M he had won was too small and that he could have done better. Below in the image is one of many tweets from the critics.

This is a norm now since freedom of speech is already popular due to social media. I’m sure you knew that people have different preferences and attitudes which means we can have different approaches on a given scenario. Social makes people entitled to say their opinion so there’s always unsatisfactory comment on any post on social media on whatever topic it is.

Freedom of speech won’t make them stop and we should just leave them since they don’t represent the general public. Giving part of the winning no matter what the amount is already a good gesture of appreciation since other people won’t give you money when you lose tho.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on November 03, 2023, 11:53:55 AM

Tipping is not mandatory and even if it is mandatory in some parts of the world, there is no way that you have to give a certain percentage of the winnings as a tip. It can be any amount and the receiver or the public have no right to comment on it. It is a personal gesture and there is no obligation like if you win a 100$ game, you give 10$ or so. Giving only a dollar as a tip should be considered a good act and the receiver should be thankful to him.
Even if the winner does not donate anything, it is his personal wish and no one should criticise on it.

It is true, because in gambling there is absolutely no rule that tells the winner to share the proceeds of his winnings with others, whether it is still within the scope of gamblers or anyone else, and there is also absolutely no compulsion for them to share a percentage with other parties in terms of their winnings. In my opinion it depends on the winner himself, if indeed he wants to give to one of his friends for example then that is his right, and also clearly the party being given should not comment on whatever amount he receives, they should be grateful because there are still good people who understand who want to give them a little money from other people's gambling winnings.

Because on the other hand there is also absolutely no such rule that forces someone to share their winnings, it's up to them and their rights. And maybe it will only happen when there are two friends who are very close and like to help each other, then I think there is nothing wrong if one of them gives a percentage of the winnings to the other friend, I think it's one of the approaches that is good enough to strengthen the relationship, there are some of my friends who are like that.

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Guilt tripping acts.
I don’t personally give that much to punters. First of all, it is a gamble or this is gambling in general. Losing will be shouldered by you alone so how come you would be giving spare if you’re the one who worked hard or perhaps bet on that hunch to get the win. Giving an amount you are comfortable with, should be fine. What declines the value is the punter’s appreciation probably because of greed. If the punter is that confident of the bet, then he should be the one to put the bet in order for him to not to have any second emotions after the result.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

IMO, there's no law in gambling mandating that a gambler must share part of his winning with eith friends or fellow gamblers in the gambling house, for that, you owe no one an apology either or not you chose to give a penny whatsoever. Let stop the self entitlement claims towards fellows gamblers that won big amount of money. The attitude is disturbing.
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I won't reimburse anyone who claims to have a share of my wins because it was my sweat and struggle that enabled me to reap enormous rewards from the system. Where have they been all day while I've lost immensely to the system? Just arriving ruined my excitement when I single-handedly with luck won the lottery in gambling. There is no uniform regulation or set of terms and conditions that regulate gambling in relation to these entitlement claims. Winners provide gifts to their friends of their personal decision, without accompanying them with coercive words of entitlement claims.

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What the critics are saying and doing is stupid, indeed. The guy didn't have to give anyone anything at all but he still did, I don't see how there is any issue with that. It's his money, he won it using his own money and didn't take the money from the guy he gave 100k, so the guy who received that sum didn't even deserve that but he got it and he should be thankful and others should praise the man for what he did instead of criticizing him for his generosity.

Such people exist everywhere, sometimes you will even have close relatives who would have such mindsets. If they are poor and jobless even though the men in their household are all okay and able to work, they are too lazy to do that. Now, if you are earning a good income, they would expect you to keep helping them financially and if you refuse to do that, they will start saying things like, "What you are getting isn't all for yourself but it has our share in it, god is giving that to you so that you can help us." I mean, what the hell?

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Quote from: Hispo on November 03, 2023, 11:46:42 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 03, 2023, 10:31:06 AM

What a strange thing to say. That's why you should never go boasting about your wealth as was discussed in a thread the other day. If you get something, the less people know about it, the better, and the same goes for bitcoin. The fewer people who know you have bitcoin, the better.

Quote from: Findingnemo on November 03, 2023, 10:22:46 AM

5 to 10% is the ideal amount? who the hell said that?

I don't know, maybe it's something that goes without saying in his country, like tipping in the US is usually higher than in the rest of the world.

The pathetic thing is that the winner donates, who might not have donated a single penny, and is criticised for it.

Tipping in the United States and in other western countries is something I do not understand quite well yet, to be honest. Tipping in a restaurant of any service establishment is supposed to be viewed as optional and purely as a gesture from the patrons for the excellent service they got. In countries where tipping is mandatory, it would seem that employees highly depend on it to make it to the end of the month and cover their needs, which does not tell anything positive on the current situation of those kinds of jobs.
If you asked me, people who deal with the public should be rewarded with a fair salary by their bosses and do not expect clients to pay for their livelihood.
For example, in Japan people do not tip and they seem to be doing fair enough, in my humble opinion.

Tipping is not mandatory and even if it is mandatory in some parts of the world, there is no way that you have to give a certain percentage of the winnings as a tip. It can be any amount and the receiver or the public have no right to comment on it. It is a personal gesture and there is no obligation like if you win a 100$ game, you give 10$ or so. Giving only a dollar as a tip should be considered a good act and the receiver should be thankful to him.
Even if the winner does not donate anything, it is his personal wish and no one should criticise on it.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 03, 2023, 10:31:06 AM

What a strange thing to say. That's why you should never go boasting about your wealth as was discussed in a thread the other day. If you get something, the less people know about it, the better, and the same goes for bitcoin. The fewer people who know you have bitcoin, the better.

Quote from: Findingnemo on November 03, 2023, 10:22:46 AM

5 to 10% is the ideal amount? who the hell said that?

I don't know, maybe it's something that goes without saying in his country, like tipping in the US is usually higher than in the rest of the world.

The pathetic thing is that the winner donates, who might not have donated a single penny, and is criticised for it.

Tipping in the United States and in other western countries is something I do not understand quite well yet, to be honest. Tipping in a restaurant of any service establishment is supposed to be viewed as optional and purely as a gesture from the patrons for the excellent service they got. In countries where tipping is mandatory, it would seem that employees highly depend on it to make it to the end of the month and cover their needs, which does not tell anything positive on the current situation of those kinds of jobs.
If you asked me, people who deal with the public should be rewarded with a fair salary by their bosses and do not expect clients to pay for their livelihood.
For example, in Japan people do not tip and they seem to be doing fair enough, in my humble opinion.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

IMO, there's no law in gambling mandating that a gambler must share part of his winning with eith friends or fellow gamblers in the gambling house, for that, you owe no one an apology either or not you chose to give a penny whatsoever. Let stop the self entitlement claims towards fellows gamblers that won big amount of money. The attitude is disturbing.
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I saw this when it was trending on Twitter the other days, some were supporting the guy who copied the code to play the game and some where supporting the real owner of the code that share it to the public. So many argument here there and I came to a conclusion that sometimes, you need to be private and it's not everything you bring to the public but I understand his feelings, using a token to bet and then turn out a jarkpot is a crazy experience.

We need to understand something about been a punter(bettors with large gambling base), because they share code of games doesn't mean they are entitled to what anyone win or lose. If people win from your games, it means you are very good predictive games and more followers will follow you and with more fans, you can use them for marketing and adverts.

The guy in particular was very wrong to criticize him for giving him small amount. What does he have to say about codes he shared in the past that were very bad, didn't win anything and they loss everything? Before some of them win bets, it takes 29 days of 30 days to lose all the bets in this days and will win just one out of the 30 days. Now why not pay for the losses of the followers he has been sharing code bets to, that's bad of him to expect something from his followers, this is greed I must say.

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Honestly, it's difficult to understand how people think. This custom of people making donations when they win money in gambling has been very common for years, but the problem with this is that people who win a lot of money in gambling have it in their heads that they have a moral duty to help other people, in their heads, they think that the luck they had should be compensated by helping or sharing the gains they had with other people, but the problem with that is that they keep spending money giving other people and then they become poor years later and when those people they were giving money to become poor, they don't help them.

These cases have happened a lot and yet these gambling winners don't change, they don't learn this great life lesson that they shouldn't give away money that they won in gambling. they should use this money they earned to buy things from them, make investments in the real world, because the money they earned is not infinite, and something that will end up if they spend it without using their heads. I read a lot of stories about people who got rich playing the lottery but became poor a year later because they spent money in luxury hotels, they paid for food for a lot of people they didn't know, they bought cars for people they didn't know and when these guys who they got rich with the lottery they became poor, no one helped them

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What a strange thing to say. That's why you should never go boasting about your wealth as was discussed in a thread the other day. If you get something, the less people know about it, the better, and the same goes for bitcoin. The fewer people who know you have bitcoin, the better.

Quote from: Findingnemo on November 03, 2023, 10:22:46 AM

5 to 10% is the ideal amount? who the hell said that?

I don't know, maybe it's something that goes without saying in his country, like tipping in the US is usually higher than in the rest of the world.

The pathetic thing is that the winner donates, who might not have donated a single penny, and is criticised for it.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

As elucidated in detail on the image the story of a gambler in my country who won a whopping amount of N15.6M that's about $16,000 and out of his generosity gifted one of the punters a sum of N100k an act which IMO could be referred to as an appreciation for doing nothing.

A donation, charity, and other such works are based on the interest of every individual so one who criticises that the gambler donated a small amount has the guys to donate the same amount and prove they are better in their heart?

They won't so just don't hear those non-sense at all and paying attention to such critiques will encourage them to do more of such stupid arguments.

I am also one of the person that this winner gave very little money to the guy.I would have given much more and I am not just bullshiting here,I am saying the truth as if I win a million dollar and the idea is given to me by someone else and this win is in great part thanks to him,I would give him as a bare minimum 50.000-100.000 dollars which is 5-10% which is what should be the ideal amount to be given to such persons.I know any amount is an appreciation but very little amounts are no appreciation at all in my idea.

5 to 10% is the ideal amount? who the hell said that?

Winnings belongs to me and also I have to pay taxes to a government which is actually for the development of the country so legally I am paying what I am required then why I need to take the social pressure which is really none of anyone's business and as I said why you are waiting for win 1 Millions to donate 5-10%, why not pay from your pocket just now itself!

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

As elucidated in detail on the image the story of a gambler in my country who won a whopping amount of N15.6M that's about $16,000 and out of his generosity gifted one of the punters a sum of N100k an act which IMO could be referred to as an appreciation for doing nothing.

Getting to X (twitter) some people started dragging and criticizing the gambler and calling him names, that the N100k he gave to the punters out of N15.5M he had won was too small and that he could have done better. Below in the image is one of many tweets from the critics.

On the contrary against the critiques some persons where on the side of the gambler saying he the gambler was too magnanimous to have released a N100k as appreciation for someone who did nothing for him or added nothing to his winning bet

It's kind of becoming a norm in the gambling house for people to act with some sort of self-entitement to other gamblers money just because it was money won through gambling. Some even go further to argue that using so little amount to winning so much amount of money you ought to share it with others in a ratio of 60:40. What a nonsense!

IMO, there's no law in gambling mandating that a gambler must share part of his winning with eith friends or fellow gamblers in the gambling house, for that, you owe no one an apology either or not you chose to give a penny whatsoever. Let stop the self entitlement claims towards fellows gamblers that won big amount of money. The attitude is disturbing.
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The gambler didn't have to give anyone a penny, but he decided he would share a little of his win. If I am having a decent session and the site i'm playing on has a rain function, I like to send a little out to chat to try and give myself some good karma and keep the winning alive. The amount that I or any other gambler decides to share is up to us though, noone else has a right or claim to anything.

Lately I have been tipping less as there are so many beggars in a chat, it's almost like a full time job for them to sit there and beg all day.

I observed same thing. Many of these people with this begging behavior has taken it upon them as means to earn a few box for the day they act like they are also gambling just sitting down observing and on a watch for any lucky winner for them to give a kind of show of felicitations just to end up requesting a tip from your winnings. I usually keep a straight face when I perceive such people coming closer of which I sign-off without dropping a penny.

The more they keep getting those tips from every gambler that won the more their self entitlement enlarges that they start taking it as a right, more of a dues you're supposed to observe.

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Quote from: ultrloa on November 02, 2023, 05:07:08 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

It's kind of becoming a norm in the gambling house for people to act with some sort of self-entitement to other gamblers money just because it was money won through gambling. Some even go further to argue that using so little amount to winning so much amount of money you ought to share it with others in a ratio of 60:40. What a nonsense!

IMO, there's no law in gambling mandating that a gambler must share part of his winning with eith friends or fellow gamblers in the gambling house, for that, you owe no one an apology either or not you chose to give a penny whatsoever. Let stop the self entitlement claims towards fellows gamblers that won big amount of money. The attitude is disturbing.
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If I am the winner I will just laugh at them since I don't have any obligation to give a share to those entitled guys on my winnings. They didn't contribute anything so for sure they can't ask more bigger than that since its just part of good will to the winner that he share some small part of his winning. If they can't understand well there's a problem with their attitude and the winner shouldn't add more because he need to secure his self for better future since winning that amount is rare to come to other individual that's why he shouldn't get affected with those call outs since for sure there are to many people understand and appreciate the amount he give.

Self entitlement towards other peoples winning is bad attitude and they should know that they don't have right to dictate those people who win its because that's not their money, if they also win for sure they do the same so they should not get greedy since nothing will happen to them.

You know, these self entitled people who keep on asking money from other winning gamblers, they only developed it as a habit because they are also used to be given by other gamblers. They won't feel that self-entitlement if they were not tolerated in the first place. So some of these instances are actually a mutual decision wherein the winning gambler also agree to give extra money if ever he wins. And as long as there are generous gamblers who keep on throwing free money to their fellow gamblers, then this self-entitlement will continue and will never be stopped.

However, one can cut this attitude by offering some free drinks instead of money. After all, these self-entitled gamblers have no right to complain but will just accept the free drinks that are made through goodwill.

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Quote from: letteredhub on November 02, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

IMO, there's no law in gambling mandating that a gambler must share part of his winning with eith friends or fellow gamblers in the gambling house, for that, you owe no one an apology either or not you chose to give a penny whatsoever. Let stop the self entitlement claims towards fellows gamblers that won big amount of money. The attitude is disturbing.
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It's the gambler's prerogative because it's his money he should be the one to choose who he will give and how much he can give,
he has no obligation to gift people he does not know but we can say that he has a good character if he first gives people who are with him when he is betting.

We have a thread here of one guy winning a huge amount but not giving even a small percentage to his friends, he can allocate a small percentage but these people with whom he will share his winnings should not complaint whatever amount he should receive, You should know that his family and close friends should be the one to have a big share.

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Quote from: alani123 on November 03, 2023, 06:30:58 AM

This is an issue with the country's regulators. Why such a poor country as Nigeria has allowed betting to become so widespread and accessible even more than food is beyond me... If there are resources in Nigeria to build up such a large empire for betting, the government should also tax its profits and invest in oversight. Betting companies should be forced to give back to sports themselves because in reality its the athletes that provide all the entertainment and content that betting is built upon...

So if this is an issue of anything, it's an issue of corruption. The government is corrupt for letting megarocps take advantage of its people so freely without giving much if anything back. So I would never put the blame on the individual gambler.

Friend I think you are missing the point of op which is basically on entitlement mentality of other gamblers not satisfied of the freewill gift given by another gambler to them because he won his bet. I think he was happy winning his bet and out of his magnimity decided to give some part of his winning to them. So that is the point if discuss.

But talking about taxing of gambling houses, yes they are taxed like other companies in Nigeria but although I believe tax evasion is high in Nigeria because of corruption.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on November 03, 2023, 06:51:48 AM

If I was the winner, I would tell a few people and it would be better to hide the victory from many people. Maybe I will tell the people closest to me and invite them to celebrate the win. I also wouldn't spread it on social media because that would only attract more people and they would ask for a share even though they didn't like gambling. It was normal that when someone became a winner from gambling, there would be many people who would praise him and say good things to the winner. They really hope to get a small share of the winning money. And the winner also doesn't have to share their winnings if they don't want to.

That's what I am going to do if I am the winner, it should be better if your victory is known by a few important person in my life only, So that I can distance myself from people who might stick with me because they know I am the winner... One of the reason as well, is to protect my privacy since it might be dangerous if the news was cascaded to others. Well, sharing little amount of money from your winning prize became a tradition in Gambling, Considering as a Lucky charm for others, but It really depends to the winner if they want to give some to other gamblers in the playing area or not.

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