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legendary
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August 22, 2015, 09:56:47 PM
#67
That is just too scary  Shocked. I just still don't understand why people decide to commit suicide for any reason. Every problem has solution how stressful or depressing it is  Undecided
Just be positive and keep faith that everything happens for a reason. A good reason.
I am against suicide. Moreover such a suicide bombing. It's just like one person who has a problem with his only life but tens of people are "forced" to feel the same. Something like that Undecided
suicide can take many forms most bad but some needed
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August 22, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
#66
That is just too scary  Shocked. I just still don't understand why people decide to commit suicide for any reason. Every problem has solution how stressful or depressing it is  Undecided
Just be positive and keep faith that everything happens for a reason. A good reason.
I am against suicide. Moreover such a suicide bombing. It's just like one person who has a problem with his only life but tens of people are "forced" to feel the same. Something like that Undecided
legendary
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August 22, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
#65
How about a prisoner who get death sentence, and right before the execution, he does suicide to avoid that execution. Is that a wrong thing then since he just advancing his death?

Death row prisoners are usually closely guarded. Any harm to them would result in blame being pinned on the prison guards.
But technically, it wouldn't matter.
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August 22, 2015, 11:34:56 AM
#64
may be cause this too Not suicide, not euthanasia

Jains are particularly offended by the comparisons drawn between Santhara, suicide and euthanasia.

“People commit suicide when they are fed up with the world or are deeply disturbed mentally,” said Raju Vaiyavach, a Jain businessman from Mumbai. “But taking Santhara required tremendous inner strength. It is about uniting with one’s antaraatma [inner soul], it is not about dying.”

In his petition against Santhara, Nikhil Soni had also invoked the Supreme Court’s 2011 judgement in the Aruna Shanbaug case, which legalised passive euthanasia but emphasised that active euthanasia or assisted suicide is illegal. If such euthanasia could not be allowed, Soni argued, Santhara too could not be legal.

But Dhanwant Shah, president of Mumbai’s Jain Yuvak Sangh, believes there is a fine distinction between the two. “The aim of euthanasia is to be free from misery, which is a desire. Santhara is about the end of all desire.”
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August 22, 2015, 01:03:31 AM
#63
He may feel that thanks to committing suicide he chooses the exact moment he dies and that he somehow free himself from the influence of others  in the last moments of his life
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August 22, 2015, 12:59:19 AM
#62
How about a prisoner who get death sentence, and right before the execution, he does suicide to avoid that execution. Is that a wrong thing then since he just advancing his death?
legendary
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August 21, 2015, 08:38:58 PM
#61
Lack of understanding in how the brain operates in a depressed state. People do not snap out of it like a hypnotist ending a act.

Suicidal tendencies are usually impulsive. If the moment passes, many people would have resumed their normal lives.
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August 21, 2015, 01:56:09 PM
#60
I think they did the right thing is illegal, but it is unlikely they will be able to monitor the implementation of this law. If a person has decided to die in this way, it will achieve this by deception like anorexic.
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August 21, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
#59
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley

Imagine a situation where you lose all you have in 1 day: your house burns down with your whole family and all your possessions inside. It might trigger a depression and fear so great that you'd want to die and it would have nothing to do with genetics, lack of nutrition or poisoning.

Imagine, after all that, going over to a green juice soda fountain, and drowning your sorrows in a healthy, herbal juice drink, filled with mega doses of vitamins and minerals and amino acids, etc. (including EDTA which removes heavy metals from your system), so that you come out of there feeling like you could conquer the world. You have never felt like this. You wonder how in the world you could have ever felt suicidal. You are aware of your losses, but you know that NOTHING can stop you from starting over and making things a whole lot better this time.

Smiley

Lack of understanding in how the brain operates in a depressed state. People do not snap out of it like a hypnotist ending a act.
legendary
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August 21, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
#58
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley

Imagine a situation where you lose all you have in 1 day: your house burns down with your whole family and all your possessions inside. It might trigger a depression and fear so great that you'd want to die and it would have nothing to do with genetics, lack of nutrition or poisoning.

Imagine, after all that, going over to a green juice soda fountain, and drowning your sorrows in a healthy, herbal juice drink, filled with mega doses of vitamins and minerals and amino acids, etc. (including EDTA which removes heavy metals from your system), so that you come out of there feeling like you could conquer the world. You have never felt like this. You wonder how in the world you could have ever felt suicidal. You are aware of your losses, but you know that NOTHING can stop you from starting over and making things a whole lot better this time.

Smiley
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August 21, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
#57
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley

Imagine a situation where you lose all you have in 1 day: your house burns down with your whole family and all your possessions inside. It might trigger a depression and fear so great that you'd want to die and it would have nothing to do with genetics, lack of nutrition or poisoning.
legendary
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August 21, 2015, 08:25:50 AM
#56
Santhara is a practice in Jainism where a person voluntarily gives up water and food and waits for death.
An Indian court has ruled that this was akin to suicide and therefore illegal.

http://scroll.in/article/748119/fasting-unto-death-for-religion-is-not-suicide-or-euthanasia-say-outraged-jains

I never understood what legality or policy or government or anyone for that matter has to do with the decision to commit suicide.  Once you choose to check out, who cares if it's against the law?

I find the way society views suicide to be very strange...as if it's the worst outcome and no one in their right mind would ever do it.  There are tons of people with a level of suffering that is difficult for others to understand, and it should absolutely be everyone's right to end their life if they choose to.  What's the point of going into palliative care, being pumped full of opiates, not being able to function mentally or physically and waiting until your heart stops beating?

You'll understand if you decide to venture further down the rabbit hole  Wink


It seems a lot of people here cannot imagine ever committing suicide, well let me assure you that there are infinite scenarios that would see any human begging to be allowed to take his/her own life. If you can't think of any such scenarios right now that would be applicable to you, you should count yourself lucky and not get cocky Smiley

Your physical body is the only thing that truly belongs to you but if you play your cards right you may just find yourself deprived of the only real choice you've ever had or ever going to have Cheesy

BTW I am neither for nor against suicide.
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August 21, 2015, 05:04:54 AM
#55
Could drugs overdose be counted as a suicide, since they still do drugs although they have known the side effect of that? I'm really curious about this.
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August 20, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
#54
Suicide is a form of sickness of a mind. It should not be allowed. I am really against limiting the laws of humans to decide about their own fate and body.
But I gotta agree that suicide is not normal and usually is just effect of some trauma, stress, physical sickness and in many causes these problems can be eliminated.
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August 20, 2015, 06:47:42 PM
#53
There needs to be more help and better help available to those who are in need. That might lower the rate of suicide among citizens. Of course nothing would completely eradicate suicide but there should be more help available.
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August 20, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
#52
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley

Genetics = I think it's wrong, therefore it must be bad programming.
lack of nutrition = programming error.
poisoning = programming error.

None of those options acknowledge an individual's ultimate sovereignty. They're either a slave to some deeper program, or a victim of chance. If those are the only options, then there's no such thing as suicide.

The word was "tendencies." We all have suicidal tendencies at least a tiny bit, built into the genes. In fact, the medical doesn't understand why we die of old age. We have the ability to fight off every disease and sickness. It might be the genetic suicidal tendencies that do us all in at old age.

Good nutrition, free from poison, lets the body remain cheerful. Where there is a cheerful body, some of that cheer will rub off on the mind. After all, there aren't many sane and sober people who suicide themselves with a big fat smile on their face because life is so great.

Good nutrition and lack of pollution poison might be just the thing that keeps a genetically suicidal person happy enough to overpower his suicide tendencies.

Smiley
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August 20, 2015, 03:13:37 PM
#51
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley

Genetics = I think it's wrong, therefore it must be bad programming.
lack of nutrition = programming error.
poisoning = programming error.

None of those options acknowledge an individual's ultimate sovereignty. They're either a slave to some deeper program, or a victim of chance. If those are the only options, then there's no such thing as suicide.
legendary
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August 20, 2015, 02:08:01 PM
#50
There are 3 basic reason for suicidal tendencies in people:
1. genetics;
2. lack of nutrition;
3. poisoning.

The desire to protect someone else even if it costs you your life isn't really suicide.

Smiley
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August 20, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
#49
...To calling dying of fright a "chain reaction" is to rely on various beliefs about how things work.
You make great points. But i do think dying of fright is classified as suicide. I still think it's trauma and bad genetics.  People/Animals get scared all the time but almost all survive the situation with the exception of a few. Animals understand that a predator wishes to do them harm that's why they run....I think your statement would stick if the Animal just sat there as the predator ate it. Then i would Classify it as suicide.
Well, for anyone who *hasn't* died of fright, we can only speculate about death's nature, and whether it is or isn't a choice. I think that the existence of the 'self' is fundamentally tied to an ongoing need for some entity (the ego) to intervene and make decisions in life, including when to die.

The human ego has an incredible capacity to fool itself, taking risks -- literally risking death in some cases -- and putting itself in harm's way. How many intelligent people have wilfully ignored exhaustion and "accidentally" drowned? Or crashed while driving at excessive speeds for fun? Or OD'd because they guesstimated that their drugs were more diluted? Probably millions around the world every year. But none of it counts. It only counts as suicide when death occurs, it's symbolic and ostentatious, and probably presented with a note to loved ones, which may or may not make nice reading.

How do we distinguish between stupidity and deliberate suicidal behaviour? Is 'stupidity' just another narrative that observers invent in order to rationalise our fear of the unknown?

And what about all the people who knowingly risk death but survive? Daredevils? Or maybe we're just witnessing one of many possible worlds, and in this case they were lucky? Does survival against the odds make someone smarter or less suicidal?

^Open questions. I don't claim to have all the answers. Challenges welcome.
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August 20, 2015, 12:29:59 PM
#48
High rates of suicide in a society should be viewed as a failure of the society and their inability to identify and treat mental illness. Suicide will never be a problem that is 100% treatable, but if there are systems in place to help people who are struggling, then the problem would be severely reduced.
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