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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 09:27:48 PM

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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 06:00:06 PM

I have no idea what we would have to put in place to appease all groups. Most likely why few Countries want to discuss the topic.

Anonymous Internet discussion groups would be my answer.

Exactly what most governments would not like or want. Oh, and "appease all groups" is total bullshit - that's what's created this sanitized metrosexual politically correct atmosphere which is the problem, not the solution.

But needed. Suicides will continue no matter what fence we sit on. Best to support a humane way out than forcing people to die in such painful ways. Not to mention those that are unsucessful and are forced live a more limited life due to injury.
Metrosexual has nothing to do with suicide.q

Bullshit. I'll have to advise any of my friends that contemplate suicide to steer clear of any of your "appease all groups" committee decision making crap.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 16, 2015, 08:44:35 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 06:00:06 PM

I have no idea what we would have to put in place to appease all groups. Most likely why few Countries want to discuss the topic.

Anonymous Internet discussion groups would be my answer.

Exactly what most governments would not like or want. Oh, and "appease all groups" is total bullshit - that's what's created this sanitized metrosexual politically correct atmosphere which is the problem, not the solution.

But needed. Suicides will continue no matter what fence we sit on. Best to support a humane way out than forcing people to die in such painful ways. Not to mention those that are unsucessful and are forced live a more limited life due to injury.
Metrosexual has nothing to do with suicide.q

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Quote from: PDaccseller on August 16, 2015, 01:20:49 PM

if they want to die that's their problem.
one less human on earth and nobody can blame anyone for that. I'm not complaining.

It is their solution, not their problem. Grin

Unfortunately, most governments don't think like you.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 06:00:06 PM

I have no idea what we would have to put in place to appease all groups. Most likely why few Countries want to discuss the topic.

Anonymous Internet discussion groups would be my answer.

Exactly what most governments would not like or want. Oh, and "appease all groups" is total bullshit - that's what's created this sanitized metrosexual politically correct atmosphere which is the problem, not the solution.

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I have no idea what we would have to put in place to appease all groups. Most likely why few Countries want to discuss the topic.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 16, 2015, 05:44:21 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

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Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

That's the sort of idealistic dream that when reduced to the ugly reality of a government program, because nothing nice at all. Soylet Green! Yah!

That is the problem with suicide,it will always look like some one is leading people to die. Do not think we could put enough safe guards up to make it appear like it was just helping,always going to be a suspicious connection to it. One very vocal group are actually people with physical disabilities,they are afraid for that exact reason you point to.

Safeguards? Like what? A procedure manual?

Look at the current controversy about Planned Parenthood and ask, why could they simply not stick to doing unqualified good?

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 16, 2015, 05:44:21 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

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Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

That's the sort of idealistic dream that when reduced to the ugly reality of a government program, because nothing nice at all. Soylet Green! Yah!

That is the problem with suicide,it will always look like some one is leading people to die. Do not think we could put enough safe guards up to make it appear like it was just helping,always going to be a suspicious connection to it. One very vocal group are actually people with physical disabilities,they are afraid for that exact reason you point to.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 16, 2015, 05:44:21 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

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Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

That's the sort of idealistic dream that when reduced to the ugly reality of a government program, because nothing nice at all. Soylet Green! Yah!

What's wrong with Soylent Green? People will have to eat when us Humans have destroyed all animal and plant life and the Worlds population is 20 Billion.

In that Movie people were Encouraged to commit suicide. It meant another batch of Soylent Green.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

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Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

That's the sort of idealistic dream that when reduced to the ugly reality of a government program, because nothing nice at all. Soylet Green! Yah!

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Quote from: otrkid70 on August 16, 2015, 04:09:27 PM

Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

Quote from: otrkid70 on August 16, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

Suicide defies all of Natures basic instinct to survive....When a person wants to commit suicide there is something very wrong and Intervention should be there.

Humans are the only creature on the planet to Defy Natures natural programming....Survival is written in the Very core of every single creature.

We are either Very Gifted from God to overwrite nature or very Flawed....Which is it?

IMO: i Think if a person is having these thoughts they need Intervention and help.

The idea that nature does not have suicide has not really been studied. I could point to aspects of nature that are suicidal but its for a continuation of the species.
But you also mention "God" so I guess Its safe to presume you are working off a ideology from the bible.

The idea that suicide is wrong is from the bible,anyone that is against suicide is usually acting on that premise and may not know it. Its so deep routed like other Christian beliefs people pass it off like it is part of societies rules. Will do some research,recall reading something about suicide becoming a sin due to worry about it spreading. Ugh wish I could recall this!

Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

I'm not saying that people don't have a choice and of course if you are terminal you should be able to avoid suffering. As far as religion goes even if you take it out of the Equasion in nature there are no creatures committing suicide besides Man.

The debate about animals and suicide is still up in the air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide

http://news.discovery.com/animals/zoo-animals/animal-suicide-behavior.htm

The latter link is more interesting to read.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2015, 05:07:36 AM

Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 16, 2015, 04:26:47 AM

Just pointing out the irony in system allowing government to kill a person while prohibiting all persons from killing themselves.

Death penalty in India is only given to the most barbaric of the crimes. And India very rarely executes its prisoners who are sentenced to death, with the average being less than one inmate per year, although hundreds are currently languishing in the death row. These people are executed for harming others. It is justified.

You didn't even bother to read what I originally posted.

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Quote from: Sourgummies on August 16, 2015, 02:46:16 PM

Quote from: otrkid70 on August 16, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

Suicide defies all of Natures basic instinct to survive....When a person wants to commit suicide there is something very wrong and Intervention should be there.

Humans are the only creature on the planet to Defy Natures natural programming....Survival is written in the Very core of every single creature.

We are either Very Gifted from God to overwrite nature or very Flawed....Which is it?

IMO: i Think if a person is having these thoughts they need Intervention and help.

The idea that nature does not have suicide has not really been studied. I could point to aspects of nature that are suicidal but its for a continuation of the species.
But you also mention "God" so I guess Its safe to presume you are working off a ideology from the bible.

The idea that suicide is wrong is from the bible,anyone that is against suicide is usually acting on that premise and may not know it. Its so deep routed like other Christian beliefs people pass it off like it is part of societies rules. Will do some research,recall reading something about suicide becoming a sin due to worry about it spreading. Ugh wish I could recall this!

Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

I'm not saying that people don't have a choice and of course if you are terminal you should be able to avoid suffering. As far as religion goes even if you take it out of the Equasion in nature there are no creatures committing suicide besides Man.

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Quote from: otrkid70 on August 16, 2015, 06:29:23 AM

Suicide defies all of Natures basic instinct to survive....When a person wants to commit suicide there is something very wrong and Intervention should be there.

Humans are the only creature on the planet to Defy Natures natural programming....Survival is written in the Very core of every single creature.

We are either Very Gifted from God to overwrite nature or very Flawed....Which is it?

IMO: i Think if a person is having these thoughts they need Intervention and help.

The idea that nature does not have suicide has not really been studied. I could point to aspects of nature that are suicidal but its for a continuation of the species.
But you also mention "God" so I guess Its safe to presume you are working off a ideology from the bible.

The idea that suicide is wrong is from the bible,anyone that is against suicide is usually acting on that premise and may not know it. Its so deep routed like other Christian beliefs people pass it off like it is part of societies rules. Will do some research,recall reading something about suicide becoming a sin due to worry about it spreading. Ugh wish I could recall this!

Create a non-judgmental haven for people to go to that offers support,medication if needed and at last resort a place to die in a safe comfortable manner.
We would have less people traumatized from seeing people commit suicide and would have a lot less distraught 911 calls that tie up the police. I consider that stance that suicide is wrong to be like the war on drugs,it is not working and its a stale way of thinking.

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if they want to die that's their problem.
one less human on earth and nobody can blame anyone for that. I'm not complaining.

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Quote from: pitham1 on August 16, 2015, 06:16:21 AM

Laws are made by the Government. Religion is a touchy subject. The state of Rajasthan was arguing in favour of allowing Santhara.

After nine years of litigation – with the state of Rajasthan fighting as one of the respondents in support of the Jain community – the court eventually ordered that Santhara must be abolished and treated as a criminal offence of attempt to suicide

I am not surprised. In general, the Indian political parties are afraid to alienate the religious lobbyists. The easiest way to lose in Indian election is to oppose some well known religious figure. Although Hindus and Jains are not as much united as the Christians and the Muslims, in certain pockets (such as parts of Rajasthan), they can swing large number of votes.

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Suicide defies all of Natures basic instinct to survive....When a person wants to commit suicide there is something very wrong and Intervention should be there.

Humans are the only creature on the planet to Defy Natures natural programming....Survival is written in the Very core of every single creature.

We are either Very Gifted from God to overwrite nature or very Flawed....Which is it?

IMO: i Think if a person is having these thoughts they need Intervention and help.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2015, 01:02:44 AM

This is retarded. These sort of things can't be permitted under the banner of religion. If we permit suicide, then tomorrow someone will invent a new religion, and claim that raping women is a part of his religious belief. And as far as I can understand, attempt to suicide is a punishable offense under the Indian Penal Code (IPC).

Laws are made by the Government. Religion is a touchy subject. The state of Rajasthan was arguing in favour of allowing Santhara.

After nine years of litigation – with the state of Rajasthan fighting as one of the respondents in support of the Jain community – the court eventually ordered that Santhara must be abolished and treated as a criminal offence of attempt to suicide

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 16, 2015, 04:26:47 AM

Just pointing out the irony in system allowing government to kill a person while prohibiting all persons from killing themselves.

Death penalty in India is only given to the most barbaric of the crimes. And India very rarely executes its prisoners who are sentenced to death, with the average being less than one inmate per year, although hundreds are currently languishing in the death row. These people are executed for harming others. It is justified.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 16, 2015, 03:27:38 AM

Has this anything to do with the topic?

Just pointing out the irony in system allowing government to kill a person while prohibiting all persons from killing themselves.

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Quote from: freeyourmind on August 16, 2015, 12:33:02 AM

Quote from: pitham1 on August 15, 2015, 11:02:41 PM

Santhara is a practice in Jainism where a person voluntarily gives up water and food and waits for death.
An Indian court has ruled that this was akin to suicide and therefore illegal.

http://scroll.in/article/748119/fasting-unto-death-for-religion-is-not-suicide-or-euthanasia-say-outraged-jains

I never understood what legality or policy or government or anyone for that matter has to do with the decision to commit suicide. Once you choose to check out, who cares if it's against the law?

I find the way society views suicide to be very strange...as if it's the worst outcome and no one in their right mind would ever do it. There are tons of people with a level of suffering that is difficult for others to understand, and it should absolutely be everyone's right to end their life if they choose to. What's the point of going into palliative care, being pumped full of opiates, not being able to function mentally or physically and waiting until your heart stops beating?

Let me help you understand this, law has been mad for SUICIDAL ATTEMPT and not just suicide. There are possibilities when a suicidal attempt may fail to complete. This attempt by any person may demoralize or demotivate some weak people in our society to commit the same which means a loss for the country in terms of man power and mind power. This law might inhibit some suicidal attempts.

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