Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1700. (Read 3050068 times)

Why all the hostility?  Who is going to read >400 pages and the search function of this site sucks.  All the negativity and forum bashing is hurting sales more than helping...unless that is the point?  Why doesn't everyone get off their high horse and STFU if you don't have anything positive to say.

Again, for the illiterate and lazy: read the posts and the knc news. there was an upgrade kit. now there is not.

I understand the Mercury in a box that can hold 3 more modules was simplicity.  Will upgrade modules be possible?  Something on the order of a snap-in box to add an additional module or will the initial module installation be it?

Well, anyone who is afraid and wants to let go of his september/august order is very welcome to pm me. I will gladly take them off your hands. I hope that quells the thirst for paranoid shit out there.

I've been reading this thread since it opened -- but thank-you for illustrating my point. 

Week or two I reckon. Depends who, and how many are ahead of you in the queue, and when you made the order for packaging based on what the fab promised you with respect to their estimated wafer completion time.

How much time (in general) is needed to pack the chips? From wafer to finsihed IC?

it's the same 8 trolls over and over with the same trolling and the same feeding to them

have you checked out soniq's groupbuys??  he sold shares to around 26 Jupiters so that must mean plenty of people on board with KNC yet this thread is the den of trolls

Living through the next month is going to be a learning experience for a few people on here. Still, they'll come out stronger if they hold their nerve and learn something valuable about themselves if they don't.

You lose sleep when you get other people involved in something you aren't fully confident in yourself as they have said they have.
Losing your own money is one thing, breaking even over time is fine too...but if you promised a large profit to a group of friends and they put money into mining to find it's not such a golden egg anymore...that's not going to be much fun is it? A lot of group buys are going to suffer in the coming glut of ASICs and what happens when they all come online...short term at least.

^-- ZING! On point.

You have no evidence, at all, that they will be late. Yet you're pissed about your own fears.

You are a complete wuss, unable to control your emotions, and acting irrationally.

Guess it takes nerves of steel to roll with the big boys in bleeding-edge bitcoin mining. Have some of you actually lost sleep over this? The hell is wrong with you.

No, you're going to invest thousands of dollars and not do your own research. Instead you're going to ask questions answered dozens of pages ago to us who have done our due diligence, and you wonder why you're being condescended to, asking us to do your research for you?

Exactly, thank you. If you're getting nerves at this stage in the game you were never a strong hand to begin with. We made a calculated risk months ago and it still looks like a smart move today.

Some of the people here are pathetically controlled by their own emotions and fears and acting irrational.

Come on now... in the end it's just a difference of opinions that's all.  Let's just use the "ignore" button and keep things civil.  

Why? when, BTC stability dependant, they will earn greatly more than they will save on November pricing.

The fact they halted sales protects customers way more than any other protection gimmick used to disguise lack of refunds, warranty and changes in terms by other less respectable entities.

You're not locked in, or held hostage with KnC, you're free to act on whatever decision you like. KnC is clearly a real company standing by it's claims and protecting it's customers funds.

They aren't responsible for your decisions though, man up, you are.

Furthermore they gave over a months warning stating exactly that they intended to offer a reduced price for November to remain competitive. Quite frankly I see the second batch shipping before their next competitor ships their first.

If I was a less scrupulous competitor, I'd want to lock in customer funds, remove the option of a refund, state outrageous claims based on simulations over fact to encourage those that won't research to invest, perhaps I'd add some additional marketing hype surrounding false protection of your funds, offloading as much responsibility and delay on some other party, but I would never, ever offer you real third party payment protection from a major financial institution; be it Visa, MasterCard, PayPal or a large respected investment bank unconnected to the financial collapse. If I was really devoid of integrity I'd lie about unfeasible shipping dates, reword them as 'anticipated' after sales took place, change my terms and give a flakey excuse as I remove warranty...oh wait.

When time is of the essence, you plan your chip buy for time, not for testing.

If they wanted to get engineering samples / small run done then make changes, it would add probably two months to the delivery time-frame.

Instead, they proofed their code on the Mars miner FPGA. That's all you need to do to proof an ASIC. This isn't a goddamn Pentium chip where a thousand things could go wrong.

A bitcoin hashing chip is redundant in the extreme.

You figure your yield is 80% or w/e it is, and then 80% of your chip will work fine. You build in re-rerouting and circuit redundancy, and make public 80% of your chip's theoretical hashing speed.

Then you need only test the chip once, or maybe not at all, after it's on the board. Since the chips are segregated by board, if you get a few that really are bad, you set them aside (for your own use, thus they're expecting probably a 5% reject pile, which they can hash with themselves later but aren't saleable).

They're testing the actual PCBs. They're testing an FPGA chip on their actual PCBs. They do not and will not have chips until they come back from the assembler, probably two weeks before shipping. Which is probably one week from now.

And anyone stupid enough to wait to see chips under this plan that we've all known about since the beginning, will not earn a dime with these machines.

People saying "where are the chips" are actually implying a scam accusation, and that's the most insulting part. We know who these people are, know everything about them. We know they're part of Orsoc, an incredibly reputable company. We know they build an FPGA miner in a mere 6 weeks, from scratch. How many people can pull that off? That's outright engineering chops.

Don't come here asking to see chips when showing chips was never part of the plan.

Unlike with other mining companies.

It's legit to worry when they start breaking promises. Not when they continue to be exactly in the scope of where they and we expect them to be given known info.

Maybe you can do refund and order with the new price if you dont hurry 

O'rama..."It's going to be great fun watching people figuring out how to cool those power hungry chips."

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