I'm pissed, because can't believe, that KNC will fulfill their promise..we will see in 2 weeks™ who was right.
Hold up, you're pissed because you have problem believing that a real engineering firm is capable of engineering as promised, despite the fact they have under promised everything and haven't relied on sales hype, hired a marketing team, or demanded funds like every other competitor wanting to take your money. To the complete contrary they are so confident in their own ability they offer refunds to anyone nervous (or whose wives have found out). They must be doing something right, seeing as Scandanavia's largest bank; SEB now partners with them. SEB is not limited to Sweden, it's found throughout Norway, Finland, Denmark and Germany largely at an institutional level.
A company that lies and burns customers has no future, a company that delivers above expectation gains a shit load of attention. What do think ORSoC want, money or recognition? Recognition brings a lot more money, with SEB taking notice, I wouldn't be surprised is you'll see even more interesting partnerships. That's what ORSoC want, the ability to pick and choose interesting projects over standard consultations.
My background is engineering, that's what real engineers do. Predominantly socially inept and piss poor at public relations, they don't promise anything unproven, and rely on scientific data and statistical significance. These guys have major industry links from over ten years of ASIC design - real experience as a design firm standing on their own two feet and winning contracts competitively - not claims, or lost amongst hundreds of other guys working on bit parts of the same large projects as part of a massive firm - and more importantly hardware design. None of the competitors have created high spec hardware before, themselves, none, despite a few new entrants with some IC experience. That's a huge difference.
More so you are assuming negativity based on no fact other than your experience of non-engineers promising sales hype.
What's worrying is the associated negativity here is based on assumptions by others with even less experience choosing not to read how KnC have chosen to approach this. May I suggest a book for some of you to read over the next two weeks instead of fear mongering? It's one of the course texts for my masters when I studied, it's by no means long-winded, although does fetch a pretty penny on Amazon as it is the staple text for many renowned engineering schools;
Total Design: Integrated Methods for Succesful Product Engineering by Stuart Pugh.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Total-Design-Integrated-Successful-Engineering/dp/0201416395
Read how real engineers approach product design and you'll appreciate what I was looking for when I visited KnC, and ORSoC. It will also put you off (save you) from some other current bad decisions, whilst explaining why and where there have been so many failures to date by the parties involved so far in Bitcoin mining.
That's not to say what they are attempting isn't an industry first, this will be a record for ASiC design if they pull this off by the end pf Sept, but there is no surprise that all the competing 28nm lot are now attempting to copy KnC, just too late, or lying by marketing best case simulated scenarios, something no real engineers would do, especially hardware designers, which none of the rest have on board, hence the profiteering on chip sales (the largely inexpensive and unsophisticated aspect of hardware design - by inexpensive I mean per chip, the initial NRE costs, but the rest are overpromising unachievable realistic hashrates and aside KnC they are all offloading hardware design on some other poor sod for a very good reason, they have no expertise there). It's going to be great fun watching people figuring out how to cool those power hungry chips. Fact is you vcan make chips in the TH if you like, in theory. Powering and cooling them is another matter. Which is why the rest are knocking them out in volume and washing their hands of that problem, and warranties.
Some of you guys really need to read up on how to best approach your decision processes. It's easy to call someone a fanboy, or a shill, or a scammer, but now it's all starting to fit into place, I've remained relatively silent in this thread, because really and truly there is not much more for me to say, other than I'll respect those with the integrity to apologise when the time comes, over those that don't, and I've never pushed or told anyone to purchase anything, just read up, visit, undertake your own research, and understand what KnC and ORSoC are trying to achieve. I've just shared my research and haven't been paid a penny so far. On the company side I'Ve advised them with respect to under promising, over-delivery, some marketing and future product revisions and pushed for secure payment methods. All of that is in this thread for all to see, and through email comms. They have listened and people are happy, especially me. I'll forgive if they are a week late, but they have ensured margins upon margins exist not to be the clusterfuck you're are familiar with. I haven't invested my money in such non-engineering related firms, and I have yet to make one bad call on this forum despite being quite outspoken. For that Xialla you term me a fanboy. Those that listened to me have not been scammed, and won't be. My risk tolerance level is set to sensible common sense, and educating myself throughout the decision process. I'm honest, not stupid, and it's amusing to see the reasons behind people who doubt me. We'll see in a few months who navigated this ship through stormy waters and survived intact. Be wary of anyone that claims to be an engineer, then over promises based on simulation as opposed to fact, removes refund options, avoids any accountability, warranty, secure payments, and changes their terms and conditions after sale has taken place. True scientists will never disguise facts with dishonesty. Peace.
