Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1834.

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Quote from: erschiessen on August 15, 2013, 07:21:45 PM

Quote from: NoDisco on August 15, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Seeing as there hasn't been any troll comments on this thread for almost an hour, I'll ask a question.

Anyone buying one of these thought about security? Like, what to do if their miner is stolen by some bum who breaks in and thinks it's a fancy desktop PC?

Any thoughts? Getting some kind of serial number engraved on the case? Marking the PCB somehow? Some kind of tracking that is it powers up, gps coordinates get send somewhere? I imagine high end industiral machinery must have something like this to protect the investment, but I don't really know.

I keep seeing adverts for this.
http://www.thetileapp.com/
Sort of like Lo-Jack for gadgets.

Interesting, but requires a hell of a lot of people to buy and use this product before you'll find a missing item.

So I got your reply (which I appreciate) and one troll comment. Amazing how 50% of people using this website are uninterested in doing anything other than stupid trolling. Why not go for a walk in the park instead...

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

Bitfury you can buy almost now with proven tech.

KnC you will know hopefully in under 45 days of which you are protected at least by Paypal's 45 day window.

X-crowd has no proven tech and no known design team. They apparently have funding and apparently will deliver, yet for some unknown reason they demand you pay and have your money held hostage in escrow from now until whenever they are ready for no reason other than to prevent you purchasing elsewhere.

Cointerra good luck, but people are tied of pre-orders even of proven tech, let alone stuff that will be coming out around January. Doesn't matter how low they go, or x-crowd, fact is KnC owners would have the jump on the ROI before them, the lions share of the money to be made is now-Dec. So what if a cheaper more efficient chip comes out then, hashrate will have exploded so much that their 28nm advantage is negated by crossing the start line 4 months late.

These units will not be worthless, THESE will be the ones banking as ROI will have already been reached by then, hopefully. Certainly more chance than the others will have.

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Quote from: NoDisco on August 15, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Seeing as there hasn't been any troll comments on this thread for almost an hour, I'll ask a question.

Anyone buying one of these thought about security? Like, what to do if their miner is stolen by some bum who breaks in and thinks it's a fancy desktop PC?

Any thoughts? Getting some kind of serial number engraved on the case? Marking the PCB somehow? Some kind of tracking that is it powers up, gps coordinates get send somewhere? I imagine high end industiral machinery must have something like this to protect the investment, but I don't really know.

u working for the nsa or just apllied i guess ha/.? not sure if u lend the job?

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Quote from: NoDisco on August 15, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Seeing as there hasn't been any troll comments on this thread for almost an hour, I'll ask a question.

Anyone buying one of these thought about security? Like, what to do if their miner is stolen by some bum who breaks in and thinks it's a fancy desktop PC?

Any thoughts? Getting some kind of serial number engraved on the case? Marking the PCB somehow? Some kind of tracking that is it powers up, gps coordinates get send somewhere? I imagine high end industiral machinery must have something like this to protect the investment, but I don't really know.

I keep seeing adverts for this.
http://www.thetileapp.com/
Sort of like Lo-Jack for gadgets.

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Quote from: Anenome5 on August 15, 2013, 05:19:02 PM

I'll bet some BFL customers want to sock you in the jaw for complaining about the PSU of all things.

o bet not since then dont have even psus in stock witch are 2 dollars a pop from china

much less asics

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

indeed bfl inaba josh_bfl emc pool can go back to jerking off there lady boys

or each other bfl and avalon

my 25 cents

get it?

they are finished and dont even know it:)

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Seeing as there hasn't been any troll comments on this thread for almost an hour, I'll ask a question.

Anyone buying one of these thought about security? Like, what to do if their miner is stolen by some bum who breaks in and thinks it's a fancy desktop PC?

Any thoughts? Getting some kind of serial number engraved on the case? Marking the PCB somehow? Some kind of tracking that is it powers up, gps coordinates get send somewhere? I imagine high end industiral machinery must have something like this to protect the investment, but I don't really know.

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Quote from: Anenome5 on August 15, 2013, 05:42:51 PM

Quote from: erk on August 15, 2013, 05:36:13 PM

Quote from: nightengale on August 15, 2013, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: FUKT on August 15, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

And also take in mind that KNC have stated that "the spec of Jupiter will remain a guaranteed minimum 400 GH/s we can confirm that we are expecting to be over that mark by a considerable margin."

I just want to know what "considerable" means... 10%... 25%... what is considerable?

It's irrelevant as they don't have an working samples yet, it's just marketing spin until they actually measure it.

Not really. They likely have good reason to believe it to be true. It's all part of their UPOD (under-promise / over-deliver) communication strategy. Remember on day 1 they were talking 250gh. Then it was 350. Now 400. Now they're saying over that even by considerable margin. Probably closer to 500 was their original target all along.

Do not be angry, but it seems that these guys do not know what they make.
If you have a chip with 192 cores asics performing a hash per cycle.
520,000,000 cycles are 520 Mhz 99840000000 hashes 99.84Ghs
620,000,000 cycles are 600 Mhz 115200000000 hashes 115.2Ghs

But this is not important, the important thing is to know ETA chips.
I can not understand not wanting to go public. But its most direct competition already has the chip.

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

this cant be true

in a rare visit last nite inaba = josh_bfl =josh zerlan = eclipse emc pool

said to a frustated costumer

u get ur shit when u get it we didnt promise u a roi , we are the bigest asic company on the planet we dont have to prove sheat to anybody

and once again u will get ur sheat(aka ur minning eqipment) when u get it

but good news

they will start takin preorders soon on the second gen , gen 2 equipment

but they still shipping june 23 orders from 2012

wow im confused?

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Quote from: erk on August 15, 2013, 05:36:13 PM

Quote from: nightengale on August 15, 2013, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: FUKT on August 15, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

And also take in mind that KNC have stated that "the spec of Jupiter will remain a guaranteed minimum 400 GH/s we can confirm that we are expecting to be over that mark by a considerable margin."

I just want to know what "considerable" means... 10%... 25%... what is considerable?

It's irrelevant as they don't have an working samples yet, it's just marketing spin until they actually measure it.

Not really. They likely have good reason to believe it to be true. It's all part of their UPOD (under-promise / over-deliver) communication strategy. Remember on day 1 they were talking 250gh. Then it was 350. Now 400. Now they're saying over that even by considerable margin. Probably closer to 500 was their original target all along.

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Quote from: nightengale on August 15, 2013, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: FUKT on August 15, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

And also take in mind that KNC have stated that "the spec of Jupiter will remain a guaranteed minimum 400 GH/s we can confirm that we are expecting to be over that mark by a considerable margin."

I just want to know what "considerable" means... 10%... 25%... what is considerable?

It's irrelevant as they don't have an working samples yet, it's just marketing spin until they actually measure it.

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Quote from: FUKT on August 15, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

And also take in mind that KNC have stated that "the spec of Jupiter will remain a guaranteed minimum 400 GH/s we can confirm that we are expecting to be over that mark by a considerable margin."

I just want to know what "considerable" means... 10%... 25%... what is considerable?

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 12:36:07 PM

These units are pretty much going to be doa since most likely they will ship by end of september due to KNCs wording in the upcomming weeks. All orders placed now will ship in October meaning full shipping will commence sometime right before October. Even if you get them mid September you can make some money just not worth it really.

Best thing to do is wait for the price/roi wars to start between manufacterers.

I don't think you understand what point we're at in the mining competition. KNC is uniquely situated and we may end up being the big winners over everyone except Batch-1 Ava customers. Because the window is closing on being able to profitably pay your ROI. The game is to pay your hardware costs before that window closes on the difficulty, and everyone mining profitably at that point may be able to maintain their position there for a long time. Because without the ability to pay your hardware costs, even having 1th at the cost of $1k - $2k or w/e takes months or years to ROI. KNC shipping is a sword of damocles over all the other mining schemes right now.

The difficulty doesn't in fact go up forever. At some point it makes no sense to invest in new mining equipment and the diff will cement in place for a year or two. That figure is probably somewhere around 500 million. I think a Jupiter will both pay for its hardware and mine profitably during that period. And others won't want to drop into mining when the profit is just over electrical costs.

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I'll bet some BFL customers want to sock you in the jaw for complaining about the PSU of all things.

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Quote from: yuriygeorge on August 15, 2013, 03:40:21 PM

Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:35:44 PM

Quote from: yuriygeorge on August 15, 2013, 03:33:04 PM

Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

Seems like Bitfury is most likely to deliver product the earliest though, considering we've seen some hashing done on those chips, and they already have the chips, and they're just waiting on PCB manufacturing. Also, even though BitFury isn't on 28nm, I read in a couple places that BitFury may be even more efficient than KNC... Is that true?

Yes pay 8k for october delivery even more expensive than knc. Knc will most likely deliver in october its just their September date is most likely near the end, which effectively makes it an october delivery.

8k for BitFury vs 7k for KNC. Not that big a difference, and throw in the fact that BitFury chips are ready, I think the 1k premium is reasonable because of this. I think BitFury has a higher, but not THAT much higher, chance of delivering in October than KNC, but that's just my educated guess.

EDIT: Plus, if it's true, BitFury may even be more efficient. (For those talking about long-term mining). Personally I have orders in both, I like to hedge.

And also take in mind that KNC have stated that "the spec of Jupiter will remain a guaranteed minimum 400 GH/s we can confirm that we are expecting to be over that mark by a considerable margin."

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Quote from: Kuroth on August 15, 2013, 02:05:52 PM

They did ask why I wanted a refund and I simply told them because Bitcoinorama is a ass hole to people on this thread and since he is a spokesperson for them, I wanted Nothing to do with Knc any longer.

What is it with people like Josh and now Bitcoinorama.. Bunch of no good SOB Used Car Salesmen if you ask me..

Anyway thanks again Bitcoinorama for helping me make up my mind..

I can just see Andreas right after you hung up... "Hey guys... you won't believe what just happened... Some guy just called to cancel because another customer sounded like a car salesman!!!" Lips sealed

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:35:44 PM

Quote from: yuriygeorge on August 15, 2013, 03:33:04 PM

Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

Seems like Bitfury is most likely to deliver product the earliest though, considering we've seen some hashing done on those chips, and they already have the chips, and they're just waiting on PCB manufacturing. Also, even though BitFury isn't on 28nm, I read in a couple places that BitFury may be even more efficient than KNC... Is that true?

Yes pay 8k for october delivery even more expensive than knc. Knc will most likely deliver in october its just their September date is most likely near the end, which effectively makes it an october delivery.

8k for BitFury vs 7k for KNC. Not that big a difference, and throw in the fact that BitFury chips are ready, I think the 1k premium is reasonable because of this. I think BitFury has a higher, but not THAT much higher, chance of delivering in October than KNC, but that's just my educated guess.

EDIT: Plus, if it's true, BitFury may even be more efficient. (For those talking about long-term mining). Personally I have orders in both, I like to hedge.

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Quote from: yuriygeorge on August 15, 2013, 03:33:04 PM

Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

Seems like Bitfury is most likely to deliver product the earliest though, considering we've seen some hashing done on those chips, and they already have the chips, and they're just waiting on PCB manufacturing. Also, even though BitFury isn't on 28nm, I read in a couple places that BitFury may be even more efficient than KNC... Is that true?

Yes pay 8k for october delivery even more expensive than knc. Knc will most likely deliver in october its just their September date is most likely near the end, which effectively makes it an october delivery.

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Quote from: ridnovir on August 15, 2013, 03:30:15 PM

Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

BS flag

be careful about xcrowd because it may be a scam

And I care if its a scam why? Everything is going through escrow.com only 30% deposit, and credit card protection.

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Quote from: JohnyBigs on August 15, 2013, 03:26:03 PM

Bitfury sucks are you on crack. It will be just as worthless as these units. The only company to order from would be xcrowd who will offer you a gaurantee up to a certain difficulty and provide much more hashing power. Or cointerra which their high hashing power might be a guarantee for delays.

Those are the only logical options. Cointerra seems it will be the winner if they keep their promise of long term mining equipment it means they will offer some serious hashing power for much cheaper which will make other manufacterers cut pricing.

And which will effectively kill avalon and bfls shit businesses.

Seems like Bitfury is most likely to deliver product the earliest though, considering we've seen some hashing done on those chips, and they already have the chips, and they're just waiting on PCB manufacturing. Also, even though BitFury isn't on 28nm, I read in a couple places that BitFury may be even more efficient than KNC... Is that true?

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