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BFL isn't European either.

Indeed...but KNCminer are....

It's combined with a tax (another,other tax), included in product price...
Implies, EU ASIC will never exist...with good price-performance ratio,..., never ROI.

Can be used as radiator but I prefer more cheap radiator 50€, not more than 5000,...
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BFL isn't European either.

Indeed...but KNCminer are....
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Almost certainly BFL hasn't thought about this, simply they don't care;
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Nor has ASICMINER, or Avalon, or even did bASIC ...

As far as I'm aware they're not European though are they?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_Electrical_and_Electronic_Equipment_Directive

Design for disassembly was very much at the forefront of electronic design when I studied my MSc. a few years back.
BFL isn't European either.
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Almost certainly BFL hasn't thought about this, simply they don't care;
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Nor has ASICMINER, or Avalon, or even did bASIC ...

As far as I'm aware they're not European though are they?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_Electrical_and_Electronic_Equipment_Directive

Design for disassembly was very much at the forefront of electronic design when I studied my MSc. a few years back.
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Almost certainly BFL hasn't thought about this, simply they don't care;
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Nor has ASICMINER, or Avalon, or even did bASIC ...
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Agreed-not interested in an expensive bitcoin FPGA, but if it had an appropriate amount of DDR5 ram with high band width and decent hash rate that would be interesting. I would buy that with no interest in upgrading to the BTC ASIC that came later.

- disagree I'd love it if their offer remained and encompassed both. In fact the entire point of their offer means it does. It would secure their development funds, and reduce the risk in supporting the big ticket item, the monster ASIC. This is the entire purpose of their FPGA offering.


Once it paid itself off it would remain profitable for some time, and then sold second hand to a university. A BTC ASIC would have to be thrown out once it stops being profitable (if it ever gets its ROI)

- Again not entirely true, there are alternative research uses, but that certainly is something any forward thinking company needs to envisage uses for. I actually think it's quite irresponsible for companies this day and age not to hold that in mind. Reuse/refurbish/recycle are elements engineers and designers are expected to integrate into modern design. I'm not saying the companies are responsible for disposal, but they should envisage opportunities for their redundant products. Almost certainly BFL hasn't thought about this, simply they don't care; this is evident in their complete contempt for their customers.
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Agreed-not interested in an expensive bitcoin FPGA, but if it had an appropriate amount of DDR5 ram with high band width and decent hash rate that would be interesting. I would buy that with no interest in upgrading to the BTC ASIC that came later.

Once it paid itself off it would remain profitable for some time, and then sold second hand to a university. A BTC ASIC would have to be thrown out once it stops being profitable (if it ever gets its ROI)
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Mate $2.7k for a 6gh/s FPGA Litecoin Miner IS a justifiable expense. It will recoup funds spent in the allotted timescale. A 6gh/s FPGA Bitcoin miner won't, that's just a waste of good tech and is not the kind of forward thinking you'd expect from a company as capable as ORSoC.

A 6gh/s FPGA with DDR will remain futureproof for a multitude of applications including research, extending the product beyond end of life with it's application on cryptocurrencies. Most importantly though it would enable greater security in Litecoin, the most liquid crypto currency market beyond Bitcoin. This is important as it allows you to either keep or trade your mined Litecoins. Liquidity is something some of the alternative cryptocurrencies have yet to generate (aside from Bitcoin). Liquidity further benefits cryptocurrencies in general.
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Again,  maybe everyone should stop being so flippant with your hard earned money and not preorder anything. The risk should be taken by the developer NOT the customer.

Screw their queues. You can outlast them by mining litecoin in the meantime.

Ya, I won't mind mining Litecoin, but not $2,795 for a Miner, maybe $795 to kick 80 to 90mh/s : )
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The FPGA would break even if KNC asked ORSoC to create an FPGA with DDR3 memory and have it mine Litecoin scrypt.



Good suggestion, currently there is no existing product in this area
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Again,  maybe everyone should stop being so flippant with your hard earned money and not preorder anything. The risk should be taken by the developer NOT the customer.

Screw their queues. You can outlast them by mining litecoin in the meantime.
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$ 2,795.00 for 6 GH FPGA? Hmmm  Shocked
$ 7,000.00 for 250 GH ASIC(?) seems much better deal...


That can't be correct. $3000 for 6GH? And it's not even an ASIC? I don't get it.



you get $2000 discount for the jupiter when buying the mars. so the price is in reality $795. you just pay a bit for the jupiter in advance.
it says up to $2000 so it can be less.

You know what, all the talk about what companies will deliver and shit like that is nonsense now. I've never seen so much talk about shit that's supposed to happen or supposed to be made. In their newsletter it said that Jupiter would ship early Autumn, and that means in the bitcoin ASIC world late summer, next year. We would have to wait AT LEAST a solid half year for those Jupiters to be made/shipped.


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I wander what they are up to know? 1) revising the price of their 6gh/s FPGA Miner and continued with the planning and production of this model? 2) Go back to their previous offer?  or  3) Only talk and talk and talk but No Action.. they isn't any recent updates and is already May 2013  Smiley


Sure do hope it's option 2.
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I wander what they are up to know? 1) revising the price of their 6gh/s FPGA Miner and continued with the planning and production of this model? 2) Go back to their previous offer?  or  3) Only talk and talk and talk but No Action.. they isn't any recent updates and is already May 2013  Smiley
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Just got a reply from Sam now
andddd..... ?

Nothing really interesting i was just asking the way they determine
queue placement in case a customer (me) place pre-order for
"KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500", a mars and jupiter. And this
Is his response:

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We will put all of your orders together and make sure you get the place in the queue with the lowest number.

Been decades since I took math, but isn't 1 the lowest number? Somebody check my work.

it's -inf
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Just got a reply from Sam now
andddd..... ?

Nothing really interesting i was just asking the way they determine
queue placement in case a customer (me) place pre-order for
"KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500", a mars and jupiter. And this
Is his response:

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We will put all of your orders together and make sure you get the place in the queue with the lowest number.

Been decades since I took math, but isn't 1 the lowest number? Somebody check my work.
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Just got a reply from Sam now
andddd..... ?

Nothing really interesting i was just asking the way they determine
queue placement in case a customer (me) place pre-order for
"KNC Bitcoin miner numbers 1-500", a mars and jupiter. And this
Is his response:

Quote
We will put all of your orders together and make sure you get the place in the queue with the lowest number.
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Just got a reply from Sam now
andddd..... ?
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Just got a reply from Sam now
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I'm not saying that "pure" difficulty in itself is the cause of higher prices. I'm saying the rise in difficulty means more people are getting involved in bitcoin. Higher difficulty encompasses media attention, and many other factors. It just seems that the correlation is higher difficulty which includes all the many factors discussed = a higher bitcoin price.

Agreed, but for all intensive purposes, KNCminer have to assume today's price is likely to be a determining factor for future consideration when purchasing their products, and they absolutely cannot ignore the effect of BFL and Avalon getting their products to market, including the effect 10's if not 100's of thousands of bulk Avalon chips in the hands of technically savvy and very motivated DIYers.

I believe in Bitcoin and alternative cryptocurrencies and what they stand for. I don't deny their FPGA is yet another technological achievement, but believe there are other avenues they could and should adapt that FPGA design as opposed to solely Bitcoin to enable a proportionately better return on investment to their customers, especially any early adopters that support them in this endeavour. Such as Litecoin.

I agree with FlappySocks' penultimate post with the above taken into account, realistically with the proposed volitality of new tech entering the market and the disruptive influence that will have on Bitcoin's difficulty any devices have to at the very least aim to return ROI within a two month timeframe, that won't happen with 6 Gh/s FPGA now. This as much as secures the network, has to be focused upon being a profitable venture as we are investors as well as enthusiasts!

ohh yeah you can forget about the 6gh FPGA providing a 2 month ROI. I was speaking of their Jupiter Unit I think it will still be extremely profitable when it hits the market assuming an August the latest ship date. A lot of the DIY Avalon chips will probably take that long If not longer to ship also anyway. Avalon still hasn't shipped batch #2. I'm sure there will probably be delays in ordering thousands of chips, having people receive their share of chips, having DIYers built boards, shipping those boards back to people.

And even if all those things happen and KNC does ship along side with them, I think the Jupiter will provide a nice 2mo ROI worst case given it's massive 250gh power if not more by the time they tweak it. Only thing to do is wait and see what KNC announces. Then go from there.
They replied to my email they said at LEAST $2000 off of Jupiter.

lucky you. I sent a message with a few questions
through their contact form almost 2 hours ago, still
no answer. what email address did you use?

anyway if true that means that we're going to pay
mars only 795$. it seems a fair price as long as
jupiter will be delivered in a reasonable time frame.



Use the sales one. Sam replied to me directly. His direct email is [email protected]

sent an email to sam@ on the 26th of April... still no answer

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