Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 511.

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Quote from: paranoidx on April 22, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 22, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

Realistically? What percentage of probability would you say?

I would say 90+% it ships December or later considering their previous efforts.
Jupiter was supposed to ship September and shipped in October.
Neptune was supposed to ship Q1/Q2 yet still hasn't shipped and probably won't ship until after June even though according to KNC they are "on track", whatever that means.
If they really are "on track" then they knew from the beginning that they would not be able to ship Q1 and lied to everyone using the possible Q1 release date as a marketing scheme.

What ever happened to under-promise and over-deliver?
Them better be some 6th/s Neptunes.

Edit: I originally posted some information and an opinion, but forget about it! I don't know why I even try and speak sense in this thread. Anyone posting an opinion that differs to that of Avengers just gets it shoved down their throat. It's like Lord Of The Flies in here, I think this thread should just be shut down, or properly moderated.

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Quote from: paranoidx on April 22, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 22, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

Realistically? What percentage of probability would you say?

I would say 90+% it ships December or later considering their previous efforts.
Jupiter was supposed to ship September and shipped in October.
Neptune was supposed to ship Q1/Q2 yet still hasn't shipped and probably won't ship until after June even though according to KNC they are "on track", whatever that means.
If they really are "on track" then they knew from the beginning that they would not be able to ship Q1 and lied to everyone using the possible Q1 release date as a marketing scheme.

+1000

Quote from: paranoidx on April 22, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

What ever happened to under-promise and over-deliver?
Them better be some 6th/s Neptunes.

You can be pretty sure all those power savings KNC have announced have been coming at the expense of hashrate Tongue

It's months since buttorammer announced their priority with Neptune was energy efficiency and that mining farms with energy efficiency machines and low electricity costs would be the eventual "winners".

KNC customers want additional hashrate, KNC want energy efficient devices for their future business as a cloud hashing company. Guess which of those two groups will get what they want? Clue: Not the KNC customers Cheesy

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Quote from: paranoidx on April 22, 2014, 03:18:59 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 22, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

Realistically? What percentage of probability would you say?

I would say 90+% it ships December or later considering their previous efforts.
Jupiter was supposed to ship September and shipped in October.
Neptune was supposed to ship Q1/Q2 yet still hasn't shipped and probably won't ship until after June even though according to KNC they are "on track", whatever that means.
If they really are "on track" then they knew from the beginning that they would not be able to ship Q1 and lied to everyone using the possible Q1 release date as a marketing scheme.

What ever happened to under-promise and over-deliver?
Them better be some 6th/s Neptunes.

Ok cool, thanks man Cheesy

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Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 22, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

Realistically? What percentage of probability would you say?

I would say 90+% it ships December or later considering their previous efforts.
Jupiter was supposed to ship September and shipped in October.
Neptune was supposed to ship Q1/Q2 yet still hasn't shipped and probably won't ship until after June even though according to KNC they are "on track", whatever that means.
If they really are "on track" then they knew from the beginning that they would not be able to ship Q1 and lied to everyone using the possible Q1 release date as a marketing scheme.

What ever happened to under-promise and over-deliver?
Them better be some 6th/s Neptunes.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on April 22, 2014, 06:58:03 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 22, 2014, 02:19:14 AM

BARF -being careful not to ship too many devices as to dilute the return to investors/customers. Who the fck are they shipping units to if it is not their customers???

obviously a delay tactic as they are making tons of equipment and mining in the meantime as stealthily as possible.

You can't mine stealthily with a ton of equipment. In Bitcoinland that's a contradiction in terms.

Adding a few dozen or hundred TH here and there as machines are built and brought online, and staying in dark pools and jumping to other pools in and out. Not 5-1O PH additions in one day.

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Quote from: jimmothy on April 22, 2014, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

Realistically? What percentage of probability would you say?

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Quote from: Gazza1 on April 22, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

December

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Does anyone have an estimated ETA on either version of Titan? May? June? July? August? September? November? Next Year?

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Quote from: raskul on April 22, 2014, 01:23:07 PM

Quote from: joeventura on April 22, 2014, 01:22:25 PM

Quote from: raskul on April 21, 2014, 02:50:58 AM

while on the the topic of KnC scrypt rig - 'Titan'
these are on the market 1st May...
http://www.innosilicon.com/A2.htm

$12,000 for 85 Mh, Now what ya think?

not bloody likely mate!

Somehow I knew that would be the response.

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Quote from: joeventura on April 22, 2014, 01:22:25 PM

Quote from: raskul on April 21, 2014, 02:50:58 AM

while on the the topic of KnC scrypt rig - 'Titan'
these are on the market 1st May...
http://www.innosilicon.com/A2.htm

$12,000 for 85 Mh, Now what ya think?

not bloody likely mate!

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Quote from: raskul on April 21, 2014, 02:50:58 AM

while on the the topic of KnC scrypt rig - 'Titan'
these are on the market 1st May...
http://www.innosilicon.com/A2.htm

$12,000 for 85 Mh, Now what ya think?

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Quote from: The Avenger on April 22, 2014, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: Wesly on April 22, 2014, 02:14:33 AM

Quote from: Paladin69 on April 21, 2014, 07:13:37 PM

Somebody said that whole setup is about 17PH. It's fucking disgusting how they compete with their customers like that. "Customer Appreciation" & "Network Protection"...thanks KnC.

Not defending KnC at all, but I would have to say they did come through on their promise of not shipping any device in Dec 2013, Jan and Feb 2014. They waited until March to start building and bringing their massive mining operation online.

Wrong. They started building the datacentre at the very beginning of February 2014.

This article was from the 4th February "Over the weekend, a team of 25 people in the greatest secrecy worked on assembly." http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=98&artikel=5774907

The fact they had the keys to the building and already had materials to start building suggests they started planning it from mid-January, if not earlier.

The video where Andreas is interviewed in front of a wall of hashing boards was posted here on the 12th February. So they were already hashing in the datorhall by the 12th February.

It was in the works in 2013. There's a lead time attached to ASIC fabrication, their chips would have had to of been ordered sometime prior to Dec of 2013.

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Quote from: Wesly on April 22, 2014, 02:14:33 AM

Quote from: Paladin69 on April 21, 2014, 07:13:37 PM

Somebody said that whole setup is about 17PH. It's fucking disgusting how they compete with their customers like that. "Customer Appreciation" & "Network Protection"...thanks KnC.

Not defending KnC at all, but I would have to say they did come through on their promise of not shipping any device in Dec 2013, Jan and Feb 2014. They waited until March to start building and bringing their massive mining operation online.

Wrong. They started building the datacentre at the very beginning of February 2014.

This article was from the 4th February "Over the weekend, a team of 25 people in the greatest secrecy worked on assembly." http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=98&artikel=5774907

The fact they had the keys to the building and already had materials to start building suggests they started planning it from mid-January, if not earlier.

The video where Andreas is interviewed in front of a wall of hashing boards was posted here on the 12th February. So they were already hashing in the datorhall by the 12th February.

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Quote from: Wesly on April 22, 2014, 02:14:33 AM

Quote from: Paladin69 on April 21, 2014, 07:13:37 PM

Somebody said that whole setup is about 17PH. It's fucking disgusting how they compete with their customers like that. "Customer Appreciation" & "Network Protection"...thanks KnC.

Not defending KnC at all, but I would have to say they did come through on their promise of not shipping any device in Dec 2013, Jan and Feb 2014. They waited until March to start building and bringing their massive mining operation online.

You best re-think that statement.... They shipped to Boden since Janruary every day for lining their own pockets, and that protected the network how?

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Quote from: samsonn25 on April 22, 2014, 02:19:14 AM

BARF -being careful not to ship too many devices as to dilute the return to investors/customers. Who the fck are they shipping units to if it is not their customers???

obviously a delay tactic as they are making tons of equipment and mining in the meantime as stealthily as possible.

You can't mine stealthily with a ton of equipment. In Bitcoinland that's a contradiction in terms.

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Quote from: The Avenger on April 22, 2014, 05:52:18 AM

Quote from: edgar on April 21, 2014, 08:32:22 PM

PS - KnC were NEVER awesome Avenger

When did I EVER say KNC were awesome?? Shocked

I think I've always said the opposite, with good reason.

im not sure, a few pages back

'awesome in the beginning' i think it was u wrote.

may well not have been you, im kinda paying less attention here than i was.

Quote from: Paladin69 on April 21, 2014, 07:13:37 PM

They went from awesome to giant assholes almost as low as BFL.

Just need to clear my name, in case anyone accuses me of being a KNC fanboy lol Cheesy

Hehe

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Quote from: edgar on April 21, 2014, 08:32:22 PM

PS - KnC were NEVER awesome Avenger

When did I EVER say KNC were awesome?? Shocked

I think I've always said the opposite, with good reason.

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BARF -being careful not to ship too many devices as to dilute the return to investors/customers. Who the fck are they shipping units to if it is not their customers???

obviously a delay tactic as they are making tons of equipment and mining in the meantime as stealthily as possible.

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Quote from: Paladin69 on April 21, 2014, 07:13:37 PM

Somebody said that whole setup is about 17PH. It's fucking disgusting how they compete with their customers like that. "Customer Appreciation" & "Network Protection"...thanks KnC.

Not defending KnC at all, but I would have to say they did come through on their promise of not shipping any device in Dec 2013, Jan and Feb 2014. They waited until March to start building and bringing their massive mining operation online.

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Quote from: SyRenity on April 21, 2014, 10:53:46 PM

Quote from: The Avenger on April 21, 2014, 04:07:47 AM

Surprisingly, every crypto company has started out with this intention and probably 90% have gone bad, breaking their own terms of sale etc.

As new kid on the block, you guys are in the same position KNC were in this time last year - "buy from us, we are honest and we haven't f@#ked up YET".

We'll see how you guys operate if you become big and when the shit inevitably hits the fan, as it always does. You better hope it's not the Easter Sale batch, as that will be the end of your company as the first bulk buy in your products Wink

There are at least 3 ASIC makers that preferred long term thinking over immediate gains - AM, Bitmain and Bitfury, and had achieved significant results. We prefer the same long term approach and hence investing a lot of effort in building community relations, as some of new partners (WASP for example) can confirm.

Also in contrary to KNC (or the majority of other ASIC makers out there), Spond has launched with an existing product at hand - Hammers / SP10, to give assurance to the community that company is legit and able to deliver.

Last but not least, and as repeated multiple times on official Spond thread, Rockerbox (SP30) is minimization of Hammer with same core engines, hence the risks are significantly reduced compared to the initial SP10 launch. Moreover, the people beyond Spond (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/pages/team) have already encountered some (or some dozen) SHTF situations in past during their carriers, and will be able to apply this exact experience here as well.

i'm excited about the WASP thing going on, I think this is the future for us, Spondoolies have their core principle based on spreading the hashrate as much as is possible (quite the opposite of what KnC have done) and the WASP initiative could definitely be something that I look at in the future.

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