Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 729. (Read 3050074 times)

Well, luck for me has been a bit scarce the past couple weeks...  this is the icing on the cake.    Uuuuhg!

wow, and you are the most optimistic person around here.

If you could see me now....

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I'm guessing the BBB (BeagleBoneBlack) could be a bottleneck.

Cointerra is using them too, and probably many others, because of the 'powerfulness' of a BBB compared to a raspberryPi.



BeagleBone is a US (non-profit)company/foundation, and rPi is from the UK:
Hopefully Cointerra (US company) didn't sign an exclusive deal with BBB, for a certain amount of time/products.

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a bit smelly to get this information just one day after the last batch sold out..

If I don't get more solid information in the next week, I'm refunding my Neptune order. Especially if no new jupiters will be released. So annoying

And those certain folks took it quite quite badly when it was pointed out how self deluded they were acting. Still, it's Easy2SaySorry  


I now think WELL INTO Q2 is the more realistic date. I was giving knc the benefit of the doubt that they could possibly tape out before the end of January and maybe deliver, at best, April:


But did you read this:


What a bombshell! If this is really the situation, (which it must be or else he wouldn't admit it, knowing it will mean people go elsewhere for hardware), then you gotta be realistic and conclude knc are going to deliver knobtune (you know you love it ) more likely in Q2/Q3.

Early December last year I was saying, because knc have 100% success at delivering late, that the Q2 could easily become Q3 i.e. July/August 2014 delivery.

Which started to look silly when they said they were working over Xmas period, which gave the impression they were somewhere close to completing a satisfactory design. But they are today, mid January, still in preliminary design phase? That really is unbelievable.

It's a pretty sneaky tactic from knc - they stay completely silent, give the impression they are making good progress, wait for their product to sell out and then announce they are in the still in preliminary design phase.

I wonder how knc expect people *not* to ask for refunds when they've now spelled out they don't expect to ship until much later than most estimated? I guess they know the first 10k batch is safe, the last 10k batch didn't have a refund option in the sales terms, so they are screwed. So they really only have to worry about the batch of 13k machines in the middle asking for refunds.

Fun times.


I won't even mention how much bs this is. To compete successfully over a longer period? Higher hashrate is the only way to achieve that, not power consumption   Unless knc realise that knobtune will be mining next to nothing out of the gate and just hope people will be satisfied to mine for 12 months to slowly get a roi? Hmm. That is only valid if the difficulty stops rising, which orama claimed last year and was no where near accurate.

You'll notice that does not say "increasing hashing power". Anyone who dreamed that knobtunes 3TH might turn into 5TH by delivery must now realise that, due to power concerns - not gonna happen. If the primary concern is power consumption, it's probably going to be closer to 3TH than anyone thought.

So the big question is - will anyone make good on knobtunes? You gotta imagine the "customer loyality" 10k rigs are the only option likely to do okay. But that's totally down to knc getting it right first time and not shipping a bunch of lemons, like they did to a lot of us in October. At that time, they were doing something (28nm) that had been done before, just quicker. Now they are doing something not done before, just as quick  

The only thing for certain - the guys who pre-ordered knobtunes are going to get a few grey hairs this summer

So if they were to ship:

$10k 1200 start of may
$13k 1200 end of may
$10k 1200 batch 2 - june
1200 every month till dec 2014

If they were to ship a batch every month like cointerra plan on doing we would have just the neptunes adding roughly 4.5 billion difficulty by end of 2014. Each batch upping difficulty by 500 million?. wow

edit:
Please note those numbers are extreme speculation don't base any purchases or refunds or any decision on anything I say

Yes, that's about right, (in THs):
https://www.google.rs/search?q=1200+*+3+*+3

10,800 THs = 1,508,742,620 difficulty. That's in case each Neptune is 3 THs, add expected overclocking %.

Edit:
Waiting for Bitcoinorama confirmation there are 3 X 1200 Neptunes sold.

If each batch is 1200 would that be about 1.5 billion difficulty added for all 3 shipped is that right?

Well, it would certainly be *nice* if the price shot up to $10k by the time the Neptunes come out

Can you post how many Neptunes are sold in all batches? Just trying to calculate PHs when they eventually come online.

If you are going to pass that please pass on also the opposite concern. I am baffled to see people with the most ridiculous aesthetic concerns here, dangerous concerns detrimental to performance. I'm quite positive the vast majority of KNC customers, usuals and new, are very happy with external PSU's that don't increase design time,  heat at the case nor the risk of damage while in transit.

Thank you for all the updates and also looking forward for an official tape out announcement.


 

I hope they don't go for to much perfection with the Neptunes...  This still is an arms race and difficulty rising exponentially is still a big part of mining.  no..?

bottleneck with controller boards that's the simplest component of the whole miner.  Could you please explain Orama..?  I'm not sure I'm believing this unless you/KNC can explain with more detail.  KNC have pulled miracles in the past with bigger volumes and now there's a bottleneck.  I'm sure another PCB manufacturers that can make it happen if existing manufacturer is busy. 

Also. didn't KNC tell us to keep BTC handy for these Jupiters.  What's changed..?  Fear of Neptune refunds..?  by the way they sold out this shouldn't be the case.

Come on, we're all men here.. spill the beans even if some will get upset I'm sure we'll get over it. 

I really hope they ship with some extra hash power, this is looking like a long difficult ROI.

total bummer. I hope knc at least sells the jupiters they have available....even 20 of them, whatever.

finally have to BTC to order one. ughhhhh

I saved money to order more Jupiters, but now i'm sorry i didn't ordered one Neptune. QQ!

yup, was hoping to buy a jupiter as well.....dang.