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legendary
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May 17, 2016, 06:48:29 AM
Here is to the future of BitBay!
Buddy just accepted my contract to counter my bet that the EUR/USD will go up in value by 1% before Friday close of fiat market. As far as I know this is the first such transaction/contract of this kind for crypto!

Nice! And totally different from the use-case class I was expecting.

How'd the double-deposit escrow work for you?
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 11:34:24 PM
Sebastian1234  thanks for linking kewdes comment, I want to reply to a ceaveat on that.

Kewde says Bitbay requires 100% double deposit. It does not! There is CUSTOM deposit options right in the templates AND a reputation system.

Custom deposits can be anything you want. Also you can have guarantor contracts where only one side deposits.

And escrow in crypto must be double deposit or else arbiters can collude and steal 100% of the escrow as 2 of 3 keys they only need to enter into the contract secretly as buyer or sell to steal.

So double deposit is a MUST unless you want to get robbed.

Yeah  I'm sure there is a few honest arbiters but there is no way in hell I would encourage 2 of 3 with anonymous markets where they can steal with impunity. And no amount of debate will change my mind here.


I know SDC is also going a double deposit route, which I'm excited to see that completed and would be interested to see how they handle the user experience different from how we did.
sr. member
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PR Director@Blockchain Foundry/Co-Founder@Syscoin
May 16, 2016, 10:50:20 PM
no...

Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

this was then you interrupting our conversation.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.

How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points done make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.
we didn't hijack this thread! all legitimate projects deserve recognition don't they? so tell me please when everything about the sdc project has been not only fair but also extremely productive...why don't we get to be compared also?...shouldn't be a problem since the only legitmate competition to SYS is OB..right?

Not gonna get into it on this thread but SDC is off the radar for me after recent events aswell as my experience with their community.. i know others share similar experiences. Lets stick to bay and sys plz last time I ask, otherwise I fail to participate in any healthy debates. Make a new thread.
Is whaleshark one of your puppet accounts or did he start the thread if he did.. not your call please hold your silence or shut the fuck up because the discussion is going to happen with or without your motherfucking blessing because this is not your thread and this is the fucking internet not north korea! don't tell me where i can discuss anything! sdc relates to these two projects and the OP was comparing the two projects because obviously he was intending on investing! so he is has the right to learn about other projects that may or may not offer more then the two already discuseed..stop trying to censor me got it! this isn't your thread, this isn't your world..open discussions are aloud, crypto was invented to take power away from people just like YOU who want to control everything to suit their agenda...not going to happen

Just for the record my seconf message on this thread was going to be my last i had no intention of attacking any projects personally but i live in a society where if people personally attack you, you don't just accept it and move on.



That's how the conversation went if you read back like 2 pages it's clearly evident that i was causing no trouble till he mouthed off and so did you! so welcome #5 also enjoy your stay

You are right, you did not start the abrasive comments, Kewde however, did. This was exactly what Sidhujag was referring to, if representatives of your community cannot converse in a civilized manner then I'm afraid your cause is lost. As much as some valid questions he may have had, he completely closed the door to conversation by being insulting:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14860563

Then as sidhujag mentioned, you highjack the thread by replying to each other and posting the entire ann thread of SDC (which is now removed).
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 09:50:19 PM
Yes but he did apologize for attacking Bitbay. I can understand how some people didn't know about the details of bobsurplus and bter/Steven. He could have very well simply not known or taken the time to read what the news said etc.

As for the rest of the FUD, it actually made me laugh. I suppose it's just one of those things, you gotta laugh at life, and (insert meme here)

Anyways kewde if you want you can post here with your own comparisons of SDC market to sys/bay and its prospective features. This is tech talk. It's all good. I already know some of your advantages, don't be shy to talk about them. Or if you prefer away from trolls like Sid said I'm on Skype... Guess my super anonymous name there. The NSA will never discover my Skype name muahahaha.

By the way, earlier Sid brought up open source. Not sure if I already mentioned this but you can download the HaloOBF.zip package and build it. You can verify that it doesn't do anything evil. There is no servers and you can also build my Bitmessage from that package too. There is only two burn addresses in it The BitcoinEater and BitCoinEaterAdios base58 hash for Blackcoin. I have been meaning to just use 6a but that is very low hanging fruit. Oh and there is a donation address which I should change to two pubkeys instead of a set address so the magic byte is different for each multisig (in case I do DogeHalo)

So the source can actually be audited as long as you can tolerate obfuscated variables. SoFashionVeryCrypto99 or FindTheVWinAPrize321GOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWVWWWWWWWW or DorianOnTheMoonSuch

Kewde if VeritasBS is still there ask him about when he tried to reverse engineer my python for some laughs.

FYI speaking of breaks, I'm on vacation this week sort of repairing my truck and hanging out at the beach in Mexico.
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 09:26:50 PM
no...

Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

this was then you interrupting our conversation.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.

How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points done make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.
we didn't hijack this thread! all legitimate projects deserve recognition don't they? so tell me please when everything about the sdc project has been not only fair but also extremely productive...why don't we get to be compared also?...shouldn't be a problem since the only legitmate competition to SYS is OB..right?

Not gonna get into it on this thread but SDC is off the radar for me after recent events aswell as my experience with their community.. i know others share similar experiences. Lets stick to bay and sys plz last time I ask, otherwise I fail to participate in any healthy debates. Make a new thread.
Is whaleshark one of your puppet accounts or did he start the thread if he did.. not your call please hold your silence or shut the fuck up because the discussion is going to happen with or without your motherfucking blessing because this is not your thread and this is the fucking internet not north korea! don't tell me where i can discuss anything! sdc relates to these two projects and the OP was comparing the two projects because obviously he was intending on investing! so he is has the right to learn about other projects that may or may not offer more then the two already discuseed..stop trying to censor me got it! this isn't your thread, this isn't your world..open discussions are aloud, crypto was invented to take power away from people just like YOU who want to control everything to suit their agenda...not going to happen

Just for the record my seconf message on this thread was going to be my last i had no intention of attacking any projects personally but i live in a society where if people personally attack you, you don't just accept it and move on.



That's how the conversation went if you read back like 2 pages it's clearly evident that i was causing no trouble till he mouthed off and so did you! so welcome #5 also enjoy your stay
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 09:23:14 PM
yeah after you attacked SDC personally i never said anything about whatever coins tech you hold you started this,
i never personally attacked or mentioned any other project but my own untill you started mouthing off..that is clear in the conversations i posted..
you don't own this thread! i am allowed to say something like " sdc market is on the way" like big deal! the other guy in the thread who commented didn't see a big deal with it.your the one who started getting aggressive..sorry if reacted in the way you wanted..that tends to happen when you stir shit and ask for trouble, by me mentioning sdc in a thread not attacking you or anyone one or project..mentioning sdc in a thread you don't.. own on the internet you don't control, does not grant you permission to start personally attacking projects and people and when you do, do that people have the right to do it back to you...

No you were the one to first attack bitbay (david) saying he was a fool and you would not be stupid enough to back a project with him leading it because he is obviously a fool for getting scammed in the ico out of his development funds.

Hence why you needed to experience some of your own medicine. Then you start crying yourself saying how disgusting the comments were.
Still you persist with your foolishness rather than to compare the projects as they are now.


legendary
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May 16, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
yeah after you attacked SDC personally i never said anything about whatever coins tech you hold you started this,
i never personally attacked or mentioned any other project but my own untill you started mouthing off..that is clear in the conversations i posted..
you don't own this thread! i am allowed to say something like " sdc market is on the way" like big deal! the other guy in the thread who commented didn't see a big deal with it.your the one who started getting aggressive..sorry if reacted in the way you wanted..that tends to happen when you stir shit and ask for trouble, by me mentioning sdc in a thread not attacking you or anyone one or project..mentioning sdc in a thread you don't.. own on the internet you don't control, does not grant you permission to start personally attacking projects and people and when you do, do that people have the right to do it back to you...
yes this conversation is over and will be the last i have with you..you now also join also my ignore list you are number #4 in almost 3 years here #benthatch #bobsurplus #someotherprick #you
welcome, enjoy your stay
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 09:02:45 PM
Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

this was then you interrupting our conversation.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.

How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives.

conclusion.
you cause trouble then claim victim status...more pathetic then manipulative..but manipulative none the less..please stop now..the evidence is clear

This is my last post in this tread sorry for hijacking it all but that wasn't my original intention..My intention was to point out there are other projects similar being worked on that don't get the attention they deserve..next time i will open my own thread..too easy too start drama in this very immature crypto community.
I called it out didn't I? You were quadruple posting with the long ass op in there on purpose and taking your bad day out on people here trying to have real conversations.. you should only look in the mirror for what went wrong and I perfectly predicted it would happen cause past may not repeat but it sure does rhyme.. only person immature is you dude get over it.. and I'd you had listened to me in the first place about a new thread instead of telling me to fuck off then you would look alot better now wouldn't you.. Instead I got you on ignore and I'm sure others do too. Cya
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.

Shadowmarket is coming..and there is a reason we have taken our time!   Wink

Yeah... Good point , Dadon.
Haven't been following shadow lately. Can't say I agree with the goal of trying to create silkroad 2.0, but 'to each his own'. I believe in the long run, there a much bigger market for pursuing legitimate business which both BitBay and Syscoin are aiming at.

I know the anon approach probably creates the need for a lot more coding, which may I ask - how is the ring signature technology progressing?
You guys getting any closer to finalizing it?

Definitely lots of innovation out there to choose from for people from all aspects of life!

That was never our teams goal, out teams goal was to deliver the true vision of Satoshi as we believe it to be, a completely decentralized and private ( if you wish it to be) economic platform  made by the people for the people.
silkroad 2.0 was basically just a marketing headline by Vice's motherboard publication for an article they published on outr project and OB
P.S I really hope more people get behind SDC the team has really worked hard..just look at the passion and intelligence in the above post to catch a small glimpse inside the minds of our amazing dev team

this was then you interrupting our conversation.

SO obvious that SDC trolls would come in here and hijack the thread... first of all your pretty stupid if you are storing images on the blockchain... and SYS won't have any scaling issues in regards to storage OR bandwidth more than bitcoin itself... you can check out the dev branch and figure out why. Most of the guys points dont make any sense. DirectBTC was intentionally coded the way it was because of usability purposes.. once a better solution is available it will be easy to switch it (CLTV implementation won't be any better for users currently). Anyways keep the discussion between Sys and Bay, where it should belong... open your own thread if you want to compare SDC to Sys Smiley thanks.

How would p2p market offers "keep-alive"? you have to have channels of nodes that ping each other contiiously now multiple that with say 10k nodes that all have some kind of offer in the same channel...I'd say at some point the "keep-alive" model starst to breakdown whereas the blockchain model thrives... the "keep-alive" model may work for smaller to medium sized networks but I believe blockchain would serve a better model for large scale adoption, especially once something like LN arrives.

conclusion.
you cause trouble then claim victim status...more pathetic then manipulative..but manipulative none the less..please stop now..the evidence is clear

This is my last post in this tread sorry for hijacking it all but that wasn't my original intention..My intention was to point out there are other projects similar being worked on that don't get the attention they deserve..next time i will open my own thread..too easy too start drama in this very immature crypto community.
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 07:18:15 PM
Kewde, as for OP I dont participate in forum stuff. If some of the guys at Bitbay post a thread it's their thing to spark debate.

Personally I don't consider forums marketing. I think journalism is the best method of marketing.

I'm far to busy coding this damn thing to pay attention.

However, this thread caught my attention because they did tell me about it on slack and I saw some interesting comments, felt like it was worth responding.

Keep up the hard work bud, Im sure it will pay off.

Hi David,

I agree with you on that, the community behind a coin can and should do as they see fit.
Debate is a positive thing as long as people stick to facts and not conspiracies.

You keep on coding David, but take a break from time to time so we can keep up with you  Wink

I wish we could have had this discussion in a less hostile mood and if anyone wants to continue this discussion, please do so.

On a different note, I was a bit suprised how the sys crew handled the situation. Instead of addressing my legitimate concerns they went straight to battle with the so called "trolls". Which in my opinion seems like an attempted escape of a hard yet truthful discussion.

Have fun ol' chaps,
Kewde


I'm not at all surprised at the trolling behavior of sdc members here it's come to be expected... if you didn't enter the thread by name calling and belittling people without fully understanding what your talking about maybe you would get honest answers Smiley just scroll up a bit and you will see.

You can add me to Skype and we can talk technicals away from the little trolls that make it hard to communicate effectively.. I'm sure we can then get on the same page. Just send me a pm.. David and I always on there anyways.
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May 16, 2016, 03:30:22 PM
Kewde, as for OP I dont participate in forum stuff. If some of the guys at Bitbay post a thread it's their thing to spark debate.

Personally I don't consider forums marketing. I think journalism is the best method of marketing.

I'm far to busy coding this damn thing to pay attention.

However, this thread caught my attention because they did tell me about it on slack and I saw some interesting comments, felt like it was worth responding.

Keep up the hard work bud, Im sure it will pay off.

Hi David,

I agree with you on that, the community behind a coin can and should do as they see fit.
Debate is a positive thing as long as people stick to facts and not conspiracies.

You keep on coding David, but take a break from time to time so we can keep up with you  Wink

I wish we could have had this discussion in a less hostile mood and if anyone wants to continue this discussion, please do so.

On a different note, I was a bit suprised how the sys crew handled the situation. Instead of addressing my legitimate concerns they went straight to battle with the so called "trolls". Which in my opinion seems like an attempted escape of a hard yet truthful discussion.

Have fun ol' chaps,
Kewde

legendary
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May 16, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
Kewde, as for OP I dont participate in forum stuff. If some of the guys at Bitbay post a thread it's their thing to spark debate.

Personally I don't consider forums marketing. I think journalism is the best method of marketing.

I'm far to busy coding this damn thing to pay attention.

However, this thread caught my attention because they did tell me about it on slack and I saw some interesting comments, felt like it was worth responding.

Keep up the hard work bud, Im sure it will pay off.
legendary
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May 16, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
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May 16, 2016, 04:45:24 AM
^^^
Who is this Huh

SDC ? that broken pile of junk that caused many previous investors to lose a fortune because their code was trash?

Those investors were ripped off, they were scammed. They though they were investing in something that worked. Not some broken contraption that would reduce their net BTC worth. I heard (maybe just a conspiracy theory )this was an intentional flaw and the devs there had their buy orders in ready to scoop all those cheap coins up. This mean the scammers are still involved with your project. I'm not sure which is worse. You can't code reliable code or you want to manipulate and hoard all the coins to dump later.

either way clearly not anyone you want to trust your hard earned money with...let alone develop a financial system..

Just think what mistakes they will code into something this complex. I wouldn't list an old pair of shoes on your market place. Now please make your own thread. The OP asked for a comparison between 2 serious projects sys and bay. He does not want to be drawn into investing in poorly coded broken trash that will fail and leave him in financial ruin.

The other guy discussing sdc seemed more reasonable but you only understand the direct approach i see with no room for cordial discussion. Now stop attacking other projects and make fair comparisons on the tech or you'll draw others to your level and SDC is a sitting duck in that case.
OP was shill working for BitBay anyways.

On the other hand, perpeptuating bullshit conspiracy theories and then saying 'maybe' doesn't free you of any guilt.



2. the small bug?? - well as I heard it. The small bug was not a small bug. The person that found it said that huge amount of anonymous data was not anonymous any more? is that not correct?? I mean if that was correct on a anonymous market place I'm sure that would not be classed as a small??? I also heard  they stole code from eclipse to solve their issues. Of course this could all be false and no truth there at all?

If you want to compare the current tech of these 3 projects then go ahead.

It was in fact a small bug from the technical point-of-view, which was easily resolved in a fast and professional manner. The definition of a small bug is one that only affects a particular area of code that is deemed small. There were no systematic bugs due to bad architecture.

Yes anonymous data as leaked, but the scale on which it happened was way overblown by XMR trolls. Only about 1/5 of the SDT tokens were spent, the others remained valid and anonymous.

We didn't still code from eclipse. I really want to punch people in the fact that make claims like that. They stole our whole source code added a minor, yet elegant fix to and it claimed it as theirs. Their argument is fucking nuts. We had a solution, but they had critique on our way of doing things, so we've adapted our design to fix that critique by using a similair method they used. Eclipse had not invented the wheel here, they merely adopted the solution proposed by the original bug hunter.
 
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May 15, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
#99
I have 3 questions.
1. how did bitbay with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc allow the project to turn into a bobsurplus pump and dump?
2. how did syscoin with it's oh so more compitent devs then sdc get the ipo ripped off?
3. does anyone have proof the sdc devs ripped people off..or is it just FUD..unlike my accusations..that are real..established..facts that people did acctually get ripped off by members of the team of sys and bitbay...even if there not members now!...they were..and we have proof..where your proof for any team member of sdc past or present ripping anyone off..show me the proof and i will give you back the thread

Hey I just started reading this thread and it is pretty interesting. Honestly, I think you underestimate how manipulative Bob is.

As anyone who knew anything about Bitbay, it was Steven Dai and Linn who approached me. Not Bob. Bob and Gekko only introduced themselves the day before. You can see this because Bob moronically dumped his chat logs on BCT with the txid of the 500 btc he kept.

When Bay started BTER was still a respected exchange. This was before their cold wallet hack.

I went into the project because of Steven. He promised me Chinese devs, financial support. I figured 5 people working on it made sense. It was not my project. The Halo business model included licensing which obviously now I see as a mistake since that puts my reputation on the line. You live, you learn.

I'm not a trader. I'm a coder and I had no clue who Bob surplus was. I've got better things to do than to waste time on forums. His Skype he goes by International Rob. So we only talked on Skype. Not to mention an investor and Gekko had flown out to China to meet Lin. But like I said I had not met Bob until days before. After meeting him I almost backed out cause he gave me the creeps. But Steven promised me it was okay. He said they would help with marketing as neither he or Lin wanted to do that. Since they only wanted me as project manager it made sense at the time.

So these guys gave me assurance that they were not going to fuck me over. And i did express concerns. Plus Steven paid a deposit on my work in advance. This is old news, you can read Bitbays Reddit and not to mention the news covered this in my favor I might add. Ian Demartino was the only news that desperately wanted to propagandize me. But he was unable to!! He read all of my chat logs, we spent like 5 hours on the phone and he found no proof that I was anything but a coder.

Besides why would I willingly let someone abuse my name and scam me. I'm not anonymous that's the stupidest thing ever. I would have to be masochist or retarded. I assure you I'm neither.

What happened to Bitbay was good old fashioned sabotage. And propaganda. Politics, smear campaigns your typical crap that makes the world as fucked as it is. Propaganda is evil hopefully a special place in hell is reserved for those that partake in it.

By the way, it wasn't less than a couple weeks of hell before I told everyone what went on. I would consider that pretty fast. It's been more than one year since then and I've been coding ever since.
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May 15, 2016, 11:09:58 PM
#98
I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worsed breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it. TRUST ME I've tried and I laughed my ass off at their tricks

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

That is the best advice,

I created a thread as well, i honestly believe shadow has become the cancer of crypto,
everyone in the crypto community can share their vote.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/part-particl-is-latest-shadow-cash-rebrand-scam-sdc-coinswap-is-now-particl-1473811
Says the shill account that's sole purpose is to troll sdc. Such reputable opinion. Such knowledge.

Again I post this with no reply
I would like to get back on topic and rewind to my posts @sidhujag:
Cmon sidjwang be a good sport. Why dont you like stenography? Lets get back on target and talk about how bitbay owns yall in the side by side. What was it you were saying about data retention on the blockchain creating bloat? What data is centralized on sys in regards to the market which alleviates these concerns for you? Did your 2.0 swap retain any blockchain history info from the previous 1.0 version other than current address holdings? How much data was lost?
and
Is 2.1 when you guys get sued for using an ebay logo? Did you integrate etsy? Is there a browser integration for instagram filters? Or are you guys reconsidering your reconsidering of the swap and everything else you hyped 2.0 to be? Because it looks like you just updated the front end so it doesn't look like it is from 1998 and added a centralized escrow function.
Neither of which were addressed or responded to.

Still waiting for a real reply from sidjwang.
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May 15, 2016, 11:01:41 PM
#97
I told you guys the threads hijacked by sdc trolls... now you see what I'm saying just ignore them they are the worsed breed out there guys.. let's just ignore and continue on.. maybe some good will come of it. TRUST ME I've tried and I laughed my ass off at their tricks

Ewok I rewrote entire source in 2.0 and some cool stuff coming in 2.1 thank you come again.

That is the best advice,

I created a thread as well, i honestly believe shadow has become the cancer of crypto,
everyone in the crypto community can share their vote.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/part-particl-is-latest-shadow-cash-rebrand-scam-sdc-coinswap-is-now-particl-1473811
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May 15, 2016, 10:51:00 PM
#96
you got all these accusations..im a troll..sdc tech is shit..sdc dev team are scammers...no proof..all can see that...but what happend to the ICO bro?
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