Topic: Syscoin vs Bitbay - page 6. (Read 13082 times)

Nice! And totally different from the use-case class I was expecting.

How'd the double-deposit escrow work for you?

Sebastian1234  thanks for linking kewdes comment, I want to reply to a ceaveat on that.

Kewde says Bitbay requires 100% double deposit. It does not! There is CUSTOM deposit options right in the templates AND a reputation system.

Custom deposits can be anything you want. Also you can have guarantor contracts where only one side deposits.

And escrow in crypto must be double deposit or else arbiters can collude and steal 100% of the escrow as 2 of 3 keys they only need to enter into the contract secretly as buyer or sell to steal.

So double deposit is a MUST unless you want to get robbed.

Yeah  I'm sure there is a few honest arbiters but there is no way in hell I would encourage 2 of 3 with anonymous markets where they can steal with impunity. And no amount of debate will change my mind here.


I know SDC is also going a double deposit route, which I'm excited to see that completed and would be interested to see how they handle the user experience different from how we did.

You are right, you did not start the abrasive comments, Kewde however, did. This was exactly what Sidhujag was referring to, if representatives of your community cannot converse in a civilized manner then I'm afraid your cause is lost. As much as some valid questions he may have had, he completely closed the door to conversation by being insulting:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14860563

Then as sidhujag mentioned, you highjack the thread by replying to each other and posting the entire ann thread of SDC (which is now removed).

Yes but he did apologize for attacking Bitbay. I can understand how some people didn't know about the details of bobsurplus and bter/Steven. He could have very well simply not known or taken the time to read what the news said etc.

As for the rest of the FUD, it actually made me laugh. I suppose it's just one of those things, you gotta laugh at life, and (insert meme here)

Anyways kewde if you want you can post here with your own comparisons of SDC market to sys/bay and its prospective features. This is tech talk. It's all good. I already know some of your advantages, don't be shy to talk about them. Or if you prefer away from trolls like Sid said I'm on Skype... Guess my super anonymous name there. The NSA will never discover my Skype name muahahaha.

By the way, earlier Sid brought up open source. Not sure if I already mentioned this but you can download the HaloOBF.zip package and build it. You can verify that it doesn't do anything evil. There is no servers and you can also build my Bitmessage from that package too. There is only two burn addresses in it The BitcoinEater and BitCoinEaterAdios base58 hash for Blackcoin. I have been meaning to just use 6a but that is very low hanging fruit. Oh and there is a donation address which I should change to two pubkeys instead of a set address so the magic byte is different for each multisig (in case I do DogeHalo)

So the source can actually be audited as long as you can tolerate obfuscated variables. SoFashionVeryCrypto99 or FindTheVWinAPrize321GOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWVWWWWWWWW or DorianOnTheMoonSuch

Kewde if VeritasBS is still there ask him about when he tried to reverse engineer my python for some laughs.

FYI speaking of breaks, I'm on vacation this week sort of repairing my truck and hanging out at the beach in Mexico.

no...

Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.


and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply


Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.


this was then you interrupting our conversation.



Just for the record my seconf message on this thread was going to be my last i had no intention of attacking any projects personally but i live in a society where if people personally attack you, you don't just accept it and move on.



That's how the conversation went if you read back like 2 pages it's clearly evident that i was causing no trouble till he mouthed off and so did you! so welcome #5 also enjoy your stay

No you were the one to first attack bitbay (david) saying he was a fool and you would not be stupid enough to back a project with him leading it because he is obviously a fool for getting scammed in the ico out of his development funds.

Hence why you needed to experience some of your own medicine. Then you start crying yourself saying how disgusting the comments were.
Still you persist with your foolishness rather than to compare the projects as they are now.

yeah after you attacked SDC personally i never said anything about whatever coins tech you hold you started this,
i never personally attacked or mentioned any other project but my own untill you started mouthing off..that is clear in the conversations i posted..
you don't own this thread! i am allowed to say something like " sdc market is on the way" like big deal! the other guy in the thread who commented didn't see a big deal with it.your the one who started getting aggressive..sorry if reacted in the way you wanted..that tends to happen when you stir shit and ask for trouble, by me mentioning sdc in a thread not attacking you or anyone one or project..mentioning sdc in a thread you don't.. own on the internet you don't control, does not grant you permission to start personally attacking projects and people and when you do, do that people have the right to do it back to you...
yes this conversation is over and will be the last i have with you..you now also join also my ignore list you are number #4 in almost 3 years here #benthatch #bobsurplus #someotherprick #you
welcome, enjoy your stay

I called it out didn't I? You were quadruple posting with the long ass op in there on purpose and taking your bad day out on people here trying to have real conversations.. you should only look in the mirror for what went wrong and I perfectly predicted it would happen cause past may not repeat but it sure does rhyme.. only person immature is you dude get over it.. and I'd you had listened to me in the first place about a new thread instead of telling me to fuck off then you would look alot better now wouldn't you.. Instead I got you on ignore and I'm sure others do too. Cya

Yesterday I should of made my own thread...It was an error on my behalf and i admit that.
But.. I was only giving a friendly reminder that SDC market is on the way.

this was my first post in this thread.


and i got this reply from another member who was very friendly and this was the reply


Then i verbally abused him with this message because i am clearly a terrible human being unlike you.


this was then you interrupting our conversation.


conclusion.
you cause trouble then claim victim status...more pathetic then manipulative..but manipulative none the less..please stop now..the evidence is clear

This is my last post in this tread sorry for hijacking it all but that wasn't my original intention..My intention was to point out there are other projects similar being worked on that don't get the attention they deserve..next time i will open my own thread..too easy too start drama in this very immature crypto community.

I'm not at all surprised at the trolling behavior of sdc members here it's come to be expected... if you didn't enter the thread by name calling and belittling people without fully understanding what your talking about maybe you would get honest answers just scroll up a bit and you will see.

You can add me to Skype and we can talk technicals away from the little trolls that make it hard to communicate effectively.. I'm sure we can then get on the same page. Just send me a pm.. David and I always on there anyways.

Hi David,

I agree with you on that, the community behind a coin can and should do as they see fit.
Debate is a positive thing as long as people stick to facts and not conspiracies.

You keep on coding David, but take a break from time to time so we can keep up with you 

I wish we could have had this discussion in a less hostile mood and if anyone wants to continue this discussion, please do so.

On a different note, I was a bit suprised how the sys crew handled the situation. Instead of addressing my legitimate concerns they went straight to battle with the so called "trolls". Which in my opinion seems like an attempted escape of a hard yet truthful discussion.

Have fun ol' chaps,
Kewde

Kewde, as for OP I dont participate in forum stuff. If some of the guys at Bitbay post a thread it's their thing to spark debate.

Personally I don't consider forums marketing. I think journalism is the best method of marketing.

I'm far to busy coding this damn thing to pay attention.

However, this thread caught my attention because they did tell me about it on slack and I saw some interesting comments, felt like it was worth responding.

Keep up the hard work bud, Im sure it will pay off.

OP was shill working for BitBay anyways.

On the other hand, perpeptuating bullshit conspiracy theories and then saying 'maybe' doesn't free you of any guilt.




It was in fact a small bug from the technical point-of-view, which was easily resolved in a fast and professional manner. The definition of a small bug is one that only affects a particular area of code that is deemed small. There were no systematic bugs due to bad architecture.

Yes anonymous data as leaked, but the scale on which it happened was way overblown by XMR trolls. Only about 1/5 of the SDT tokens were spent, the others remained valid and anonymous.

We didn't still code from eclipse. I really want to punch people in the fact that make claims like that. They stole our whole source code added a minor, yet elegant fix to and it claimed it as theirs. Their argument is fucking nuts. We had a solution, but they had critique on our way of doing things, so we've adapted our design to fix that critique by using a similair method they used. Eclipse had not invented the wheel here, they merely adopted the solution proposed by the original bug hunter.
 

Hey I just started reading this thread and it is pretty interesting. Honestly, I think you underestimate how manipulative Bob is.

As anyone who knew anything about Bitbay, it was Steven Dai and Linn who approached me. Not Bob. Bob and Gekko only introduced themselves the day before. You can see this because Bob moronically dumped his chat logs on BCT with the txid of the 500 btc he kept.

When Bay started BTER was still a respected exchange. This was before their cold wallet hack.

I went into the project because of Steven. He promised me Chinese devs, financial support. I figured 5 people working on it made sense. It was not my project. The Halo business model included licensing which obviously now I see as a mistake since that puts my reputation on the line. You live, you learn.

I'm not a trader. I'm a coder and I had no clue who Bob surplus was. I've got better things to do than to waste time on forums. His Skype he goes by International Rob. So we only talked on Skype. Not to mention an investor and Gekko had flown out to China to meet Lin. But like I said I had not met Bob until days before. After meeting him I almost backed out cause he gave me the creeps. But Steven promised me it was okay. He said they would help with marketing as neither he or Lin wanted to do that. Since they only wanted me as project manager it made sense at the time.

So these guys gave me assurance that they were not going to fuck me over. And i did express concerns. Plus Steven paid a deposit on my work in advance. This is old news, you can read Bitbays Reddit and not to mention the news covered this in my favor I might add. Ian Demartino was the only news that desperately wanted to propagandize me. But he was unable to!! He read all of my chat logs, we spent like 5 hours on the phone and he found no proof that I was anything but a coder.

Besides why would I willingly let someone abuse my name and scam me. I'm not anonymous that's the stupidest thing ever. I would have to be masochist or retarded. I assure you I'm neither.

What happened to Bitbay was good old fashioned sabotage. And propaganda. Politics, smear campaigns your typical crap that makes the world as fucked as it is. Propaganda is evil hopefully a special place in hell is reserved for those that partake in it.

By the way, it wasn't less than a couple weeks of hell before I told everyone what went on. I would consider that pretty fast. It's been more than one year since then and I've been coding ever since.

Says the shill account that's sole purpose is to troll sdc. Such reputable opinion. Such knowledge.

Still waiting for a real reply from sidjwang.

That is the best advice,

I created a thread as well, i honestly believe shadow has become the cancer of crypto,
everyone in the crypto community can share their vote.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/part-particl-is-latest-shadow-cash-rebrand-scam-sdc-coinswap-is-now-particl-1473811

you got all these accusations..im a troll..sdc tech is shit..sdc dev team are scammers...no proof..all can see that...but what happend to the ICO bro?