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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 13, 2021, 12:41:20 AM

I agree with you. European countries may be hiring players or players from other countries are forming their teams with giving the citizenship of their own country, but still, they continue to play cricket. Gradually they will be able to develop experienced players in their own country when cricket becomes popular in their country. This requires time.

No one is giving citizenship to anyone. Cricket is the only sport that allows a national team without any citizens. For example, we have teams like UAE and Singapore, where none of the players are citizens of these countries. Same is the case with European countries. Anyone who arrives in France or Germany on a tourist visa can play matches for them. And this is happening right now. All of their players are citizens of India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka. And that means that cricket will always be considered as a foreign sports by natives of these countries.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on August 12, 2021, 06:59:49 PM

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 11, 2021, 04:41:39 PM

Even i was wonder on seeing the scoreboard that European countries are able to play cricket and only a few will be really interested in playing the game as many look to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, Tennis to build a career in sports and cricket is not that popular and hence not a high paying sporting event and since you clarified that the teams are formed with the help of Asian players, that says a lot about their preparation Grin

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First of all, cricket is not an Olympic sport (at least until now). So that means that there will be no government support. On top of that, for almost two decades, the ICC actively hampered the development of cricket outside the pig-3 nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the ICC president, he had initiated a very successful globalization program, which resulted in the spread of cricket to every nook and corner of the world. But Dalmiya was kicked out in 2000, and the power was seized by the Pawar/Srinivasan gang. After that cricket died out in these smaller nations. The situation changed only in 2015, when Srinivasan was kicked out by the newly elected NDA government in India.

I am happy that some European countries are trying to play cricket and you never know when this initiative might get a response. You cannot expect them to play this game without the help of some Asian players. More of such tournaments should be organised in these countries and slowly it will start to trend in the due course of time.

I agree with you. European countries may be hiring players or players from other countries are forming their teams with giving the citizenship of their own country, but still, they continue to play cricket. Gradually they will be able to develop experienced players in their own country when cricket becomes popular in their country. This requires time.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on August 12, 2021, 06:59:49 PM

I am happy that some European countries are trying to play cricket and you never know when this initiative might get a response. You cannot expect them to play this game without the help of some Asian players. More of such tournaments should be organised in these countries and slowly it will start to trend in the due course of time.

I don't have an issue if they include a few naturalized citizens in their squad. But what they are doing is creating teams which doesn't even have a single citizen (either naturalized ones or those of non-immigrant background) in the playing XI. Obviously when they do this, the natives of that particular country will not show any interest in the sport. And these countries had teams with majority native players until 2010 or so, when the ICC changed the eligibility criteria. The native players just vanished as soon as the criteria was changed. You can include foreigners in franchise T20 teams. But how can you include 11 foreigners in the playing XI for national teams?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 09:20:31 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on August 11, 2021, 04:41:39 PM

Even i was wonder on seeing the scoreboard that European countries are able to play cricket and only a few will be really interested in playing the game as many look to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, Tennis to build a career in sports and cricket is not that popular and hence not a high paying sporting event and since you clarified that the teams are formed with the help of Asian players, that says a lot about their preparation Grin

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First of all, cricket is not an Olympic sport (at least until now). So that means that there will be no government support. On top of that, for almost two decades, the ICC actively hampered the development of cricket outside the pig-3 nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the ICC president, he had initiated a very successful globalization program, which resulted in the spread of cricket to every nook and corner of the world. But Dalmiya was kicked out in 2000, and the power was seized by the Pawar/Srinivasan gang. After that cricket died out in these smaller nations. The situation changed only in 2015, when Srinivasan was kicked out by the newly elected NDA government in India.

I am happy that some European countries are trying to play cricket and you never know when this initiative might get a response. You cannot expect them to play this game without the help of some Asian players. More of such tournaments should be organised in these countries and slowly it will start to trend in the due course of time.

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 11, 2021, 04:41:39 PM

Even i was wonder on seeing the scoreboard that European countries are able to play cricket and only a few will be really interested in playing the game as many look to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, Tennis to build a career in sports and cricket is not that popular and hence not a high paying sporting event and since you clarified that the teams are formed with the help of Asian players, that says a lot about their preparation Grin

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First of all, cricket is not an Olympic sport (at least until now). So that means that there will be no government support. On top of that, for almost two decades, the ICC actively hampered the development of cricket outside the pig-3 nations. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the ICC president, he had initiated a very successful globalization program, which resulted in the spread of cricket to every nook and corner of the world. But Dalmiya was kicked out in 2000, and the power was seized by the Pawar/Srinivasan gang. After that cricket died out in these smaller nations. The situation changed only in 2015, when Srinivasan was kicked out by the newly elected NDA government in India.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 11, 2021, 12:18:28 PM

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I agree. Honestly, I am not the biggest fan of Ravi myself, but he did deliver on most occasions which is why I don't really get the crazy hate towards him by a section of the Cricket community.

The BCCI might be corrupt, but they aren't dumb. They allowed Ravi and Kohli to retain their positions since they almost always delivered great results excluding the big tournaments(World Cup etc).

India won the matches, because the players performed well. I don't know what role was played by Shastri here. Most of the aspects, such as training and team selection was decided by Kohli. Anyway, let's discuss about the future. What are the chances that Rahul Dravid will be appointed as the coach of the national team? Or the BCCI can go for a foreign coach. But historically the team members (at least the senior members) haven't reacted positively to foreign coaches, especially of they are strict with the training regimen.

In my opinion, until Ravi Shastri retires from coaching, Rahul Dravid will not become the coach of the India A team, the same goes for Kohli. Both are fit and have not given any sign of stepping down from their position. After the T20 Worldcup if Ravi Shastri decides to step down then obviously BCCI will appoint Dravid. Why would BCCI need an International coach? when they already have one.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2021, 02:46:20 AM

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Oh please.. I watched 5 minutes or so from this series and it was a complete sham. Fancode just want a few "international" matches for their subscribers. So they dressed up a few Indians and Pakistanis in German and Norwegian jerseys. None of these players had any connection with Germany/Norway and not a single player had the citizenship of these countries and I couldn't find anyone among the spectators. This sort of joke doesn't exist with football or any of the other sports, because they don't allow foreigners to represent national teams.

Even i was wonder on seeing the scoreboard that European countries are able to play cricket and only a few will be really interested in playing the game as many look to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, Tennis to build a career in sports and cricket is not that popular and hence not a high paying sporting event and since you clarified that the teams are formed with the help of Asian players, that says a lot about their preparation Grin

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 11, 2021, 12:11:42 PM

I agree. Honestly, I am not the biggest fan of Ravi myself, but he did deliver on most occasions which is why I don't really get the crazy hate towards him by a section of the Cricket community.

The BCCI might be corrupt, but they aren't dumb. They allowed Ravi and Kohli to retain their positions since they almost always delivered great results excluding the big tournaments(World Cup etc).

India won the matches, because the players performed well. I don't know what role was played by Shastri here. Most of the aspects, such as training and team selection was decided by Kohli. Anyway, let's discuss about the future. What are the chances that Rahul Dravid will be appointed as the coach of the national team? Or the BCCI can go for a foreign coach. But historically the team members (at least the senior members) haven't reacted positively to foreign coaches, especially of they are strict with the training regimen.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 04:19:31 AM

Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

I agree. Honestly, I am not the biggest fan of Ravi myself, but he did deliver on most occasions which is why I don't really get the crazy hate towards him by a section of the Cricket community.

The BCCI might be corrupt, but they aren't dumb. They allowed Ravi and Kohli to retain their positions since they almost always delivered great results excluding the big tournaments(World Cup etc).

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 11, 2021, 03:32:08 AM

I don't know if the players were really German or Norwegian. But they played well. A few days ago I saw the cricket team of Argentina. Although I did not have the good fortune to watch their game. These football-centric countries will be interested in cricket if they join the Olympics. And that will be the ICC's biggest achievement.

Argentina is a different case. They have cricket clubs that are more than 100 years old. They never depend upon foreigners to play for them, but probably as a result of this their rank has slipped down recently. Teams that stack up their playing XI with foreigners obviously perform well and those with native players (Argentina, Kenya, Nigeria, Iran, Papua New Guinea, Uganda, Nigeria.etc) are failing to win the regional qualifier tournaments. It is not fair, as on the one side we have ex-first class players from India and Pakistan, and on the other side we have amateur cricketers with no such experience.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

I think majority, including me hate him because of his chutiyapa statements, cheer leading behavior and the way he got the job (Virat-Kumble saga) but if we put aside our hatred for a sec and judge his term based on Test format then he did good job IMO. Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

All 3 coaching staff are yes men to Shashtri so i don't hold high opinion for them but our bowling department is doing good so no complaints towards Bharat Arun. Sridhar is dissapointing and i think Jhonty Rhodes should replace him, if he gets the chance.

@JSRAW I’m not aware of much internal politics in team India, but whatever he did he managed to get results and in the end that’ll only count when people look back at his coaching history. Also if there’s a person who can coach team India it should be their ex batman Rahul Dravid, I heard he’s doing pretty good job as a coach and he should be given the job.

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https://www.newindianexpress.com/sport/cricket/2021/aug/11/ravi-shastri--co-not-to-seek-extension-as-head-coach-for-indian-cricket-team-all-eyes-on-rahul-dra-2343004.html

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 11, 2021, 02:09:44 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

I think majority, including me hate him because of his chutiyapa statements, cheer leading behavior and the way he got the job (Virat-Kumble saga) but if we put aside our hatred for a sec and judge his term based on Test format then he did good job IMO. Under his term we were very competitive in last SA,ENG tour despite many selection blunders, we won in Australia twice and didn't lost any single series at home, although Indian side was already tough to beat at home turf.

He didn't add anything new in limited over cricket though.

All 3 coaching staff are yes men to Shashtri so i don't hold high opinion for them but our bowling department is doing good so no complaints towards Bharat Arun. Sridhar is dissapointing and i think Jhonty Rhodes should replace him, if he gets the chance.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2021, 11:55:47 AM

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly).

Read this news recently which surprised me. They did confirm the bid, but I guess we won't know if it will get added or not for a long time.

If they do end up adding it, it will definitely help boost interest in Cricket. The weird part is that so many small-scale sports have been a part of the Olympics for a long time now while Cricket(One of the most popular sports in the world) hasn't been added yet.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 11, 2021, 02:25:26 AM

If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

Oh please.. I watched 5 minutes or so from this series and it was a complete sham. Fancode just want a few "international" matches for their subscribers. So they dressed up a few Indians and Pakistanis in German and Norwegian jerseys. None of these players had any connection with Germany/Norway and not a single player had the citizenship of these countries and I couldn't find anyone among the spectators. This sort of joke doesn't exist with football or any of the other sports, because they don't allow foreigners to represent national teams.

I don't know if the players were really German or Norwegian. But they played well. A few days ago I saw the cricket team of Argentina. Although I did not have the good fortune to watch their game. These football-centric countries will be interested in cricket if they join the Olympics. And that will be the ICC's biggest achievement.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 11, 2021, 02:25:26 AM

If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

Oh please.. I watched 5 minutes or so from this series and it was a complete sham. Fancode just want a few "international" matches for their subscribers. So they dressed up a few Indians and Pakistanis in German and Norwegian jerseys. None of these players had any connection with Germany/Norway and not a single player had the citizenship of these countries and I couldn't find anyone among the spectators. This sort of joke doesn't exist with football or any of the other sports, because they don't allow foreigners to represent national teams.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 10, 2021, 11:55:47 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 10, 2021, 10:37:34 AM

Again if all the funds are divided among the big three teams then they won't have much competition. How long can the big 3 teams can play with each other and keep the interest of the audience.
If they lose the audience, they will not be able to generate funds and hence it will be a disaster in the long run. A good example of this that India Pakistan matches generate most revenue but if the Pakistani team loses the form due to no funds, no one will like to see one sided encounter between two teams.

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly). Cricket is moving in the right direction, and it will remain like that as long as we keep people like Srinivasan and Pawar away from the administration.

If cricket participates in the Olympics, it will be beneficial for cricket. Like football, cricket will spread all over the world. A few days ago I watched a cricket match in Germany, Norway. But I did not know that they participate in cricket. These teams will be able to improve themselves if they participate in the Cricket Olympics.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 11, 2021, 01:53:23 AM

Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

Finally.

I don't know whether he had any positive contribution to the team during all these years when he "coached" them. But he was one of the lucky ones. India was winning bilateral series on a constant basis against very tough opposition and he was also praised for that (irrespective of whether he had any direct contribution or not). And from what I heard, most of the coaching staff will be gone after the world cup. Apart from Shastri, this includes Bharat Arun, Vikram Rathour and Ramakrishnan Sridhar (respectively the coaches for bowling, batting and fielding).

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Quote from: ene1980 on August 10, 2021, 10:54:55 AM

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New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

May be just like the Australian players who opted to sit out from the Bangladesh tour the players from New Zealand wanted to sit out as well. I know i was trashing the Australian selectors for not picking the best team because i did not expect a pathetic performance like this even with chasing low scores but you cannot blame them to opt out of the tour because sitting inside a bubble is taxing.

Leave alone players or board, even their media didn't cover Bangladesh series and didn't bother to acquire rights for the live telecast. No one watched these games in Australia and all they made is lousy excuse like they were bit late on media rights etc.

Let's see if NZ does the same or not.

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Its almost official that Ravi Shastri is stepping down as Indian coach after T-20 WC.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on August 10, 2021, 10:37:34 AM

Again if all the funds are divided among the big three teams then they won't have much competition. How long can the big 3 teams can play with each other and keep the interest of the audience.

If they lose the audience, they will not be able to generate funds and hence it will be a disaster in the long run. A good example of this that India Pakistan matches generate most revenue but if the Pakistani team loses the form due to no funds, no one will like to see one sided encounter between two teams.

There are some positive developments happening. Today there was an announcement from the ICC that they would try their best to get cricket included in the 2028 Olympic Games. I don't know whether they are honest about this, but it is a good sign. The turning point was the appointment of Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI. Once the opposition from BCCI gone, the ECB also had to change their stance (although half-heartedly). Cricket is moving in the right direction, and it will remain like that as long as we keep people like Srinivasan and Pawar away from the administration.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 10, 2021, 03:52:00 AM

New Zealand announced the squad for the T-20 series against Bangladesh. I think the squad is their second-tier team. Their main players are not in this squad. Is the New Zealand team neglecting Bangladesh team like Australia? If they neglect, their fate will be the same as Australia's, because Bangladesh is always strong at home.

May be just like the Australian players who opted to sit out from the Bangladesh tour the players from New Zealand wanted to sit out as well. I know i was trashing the Australian selectors for not picking the best team because i did not expect a pathetic performance like this even with chasing low scores but you cannot blame them to opt out of the tour because sitting inside a bubble is taxing.

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