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Quote from: teosanru on February 04, 2021, 12:55:16 PM

They need NOC as far as I think here is one of the articles I read long time back in the case of Yuvraj Singh: https://www.insidesport.co/no-bcci-noc-to-players-for-foreign-leagues-yuvraj-lone-exception/ He was one of the only retired players who were allowed to play foreign leagues. I think this kind of rule isn't really in favour of global cricket promotion but due to the great dominance that BCCI exercises they are pretty much able to do this. But in a way, it's big hypocrisy to invite players of other countries to play IPL while not allowing Indians to go abroad. But even the foreigners are pretty happy considering the fancy sums that they get for playing.

I sometimes feel Sourav Ganguly is more of a sort of puppet president while Jay Shah pretty much controls the affairs single-handedly. Being a player Sourav Ganguly has never made any decision in favour of the players. I had huge respect for him before he joined this post and I thought that BCCI would change a lot in his rule but things are pretty much the same they were earlier. Talking about the Olympics I still think it's futile to think about Cricket in the Olympics. There are hardly 12 nations who play it out which the lower 6 don't even stand a chance against the top-6.

The BCCI should stop being such hypocrites. Now they want to expand the IPL and make it a 3-month long event. The officials made some announcements that they want 3 months out of the international calendar reserved for the IPL every year. When they need such largesse from the global cricketing community, they should also give something in return.

And I have to say that a lot of cricket fans are disappointed with what Ganguly has done till now. They were expecting a lot more from him. Rumors are that he is using the post as a stepping stone before he enters active politics. Perhaps that is the reason why he don't want to propose any radical changes. The point with Olympics is that, if it becomes a global sport then the smaller boards will become eligible for funding from the respective governments. The ICC has drastically reduced funding for the associate members and at this time any contribution from the other sources would be very helpful for teams such as Kenya and PNG.

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For simple reason, BCCI holds all the cards and doesn't want to lose grip on the monopoly. BCCI would never allow younger or domestic players to play in the foreign leagues as in a longer run it might impact their domestic setup (leaving domestic cricket for leagues). But they should allow retired players to go or at least give NOC for at least 1 foreign league according to their choice.

I don't think that retired players need NOC from the BCCI to participate in foreign leagues. Anyway, leagues such as T10 are more beneficial to the younger players, to get some international experience. On one hand, the BCCI is cancelling domestic tournaments such as the Ranji Trophy. And on the other hand, they are not allowing the domestic players to get some match practice, by participating in these leagues. I would have understood these stupid laws, if N Srinivasan or Sharad Pawar was the BCCI president. But now we have Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI and I expected more player friendly policy from him. So far he has been a disappointment. Especially regarding the issues of WIPL and inclusion of cricket in Olympic Games.

They need NOC as far as I think here is one of the articles I read long time back in the case of Yuvraj Singh: https://www.insidesport.co/no-bcci-noc-to-players-for-foreign-leagues-yuvraj-lone-exception/ He was one of the only retired players who were allowed to play foreign leagues. I think this kind of rule isn't really in favour of global cricket promotion but due to the great dominance that BCCI exercises they are pretty much able to do this. But in a way, it's big hypocrisy to invite players of other countries to play IPL while not allowing Indians to go abroad. But even the foreigners are pretty happy considering the fancy sums that they get for playing.

I sometimes feel Sourav Ganguly is more of a sort of puppet president while Jay Shah pretty much controls the affairs single-handedly. Being a player Sourav Ganguly has never made any decision in favour of the players. I had huge respect for him before he joined this post and I thought that BCCI would change a lot in his rule but things are pretty much the same they were earlier. Talking about the Olympics I still think it's futile to think about Cricket in the Olympics. There are hardly 12 nations who play it out which the lower 6 don't even stand a chance against the top-6.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2021, 02:14:20 AM

For simple reason, BCCI holds all the cards and doesn't want to lose grip on the monopoly. BCCI would never allow younger or domestic players to play in the foreign leagues as in a longer run it might impact their domestic setup (leaving domestic cricket for leagues). But they should allow retired players to go or at least give NOC for at least 1 foreign league according to their choice.

I don't think that retired players need NOC from the BCCI to participate in foreign leagues. Anyway, leagues such as T10 are more beneficial to the younger players, to get some international experience. On one hand, the BCCI is cancelling domestic tournaments such as the Ranji Trophy. And on the other hand, they are not allowing the domestic players to get some match practice, by participating in these leagues. I would have understood these stupid laws, if N Srinivasan or Sharad Pawar was the BCCI president. But now we have Sourav Ganguly as the head of the BCCI and I expected more player friendly policy from him. So far he has been a disappointment. Especially regarding the issues of WIPL and inclusion of cricket in Olympic Games.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 04, 2021, 01:25:48 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2021, 12:26:41 AM

You already answered your query in your own reply.

Their majority of target audience are from the Subcontinent hence the names Maratha, Bangla, Qalandars etc

I still don't understand why the BCCI has a complete ban on Indian players participating in foreign leagues. They should at least allow those who doesn't have an IPL contract. There are promising players out there, such as Ashok Menaria, Manimaran Siddharth and Baba Aparajith, who never get a chance to play in the IPL. If they are allowed to participate in leagues such as the Abu Dhabi T10, then it will be a big boost for their career.

For simple reason, BCCI holds all the cards and doesn't want to lose grip on the monopoly. BCCI would never allow younger or domestic players to play in the foreign leagues as in a longer run it might impact their domestic setup (leaving domestic cricket for leagues). But they should allow retired players to go or at least give NOC for at least 1 foreign league according to their choice.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on February 04, 2021, 01:25:48 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2021, 12:26:41 AM

You already answered your query in your own reply.

Their majority of target audience are from the Subcontinent hence the names Maratha, Bangla, Qalandars etc

I still don't understand why the BCCI has a complete ban on Indian players participating in foreign leagues. They should at least allow those who doesn't have an IPL contract. There are promising players out there, such as Ashok Menaria, Manimaran Siddharth and Baba Aparajith, who never get a chance to play in the IPL. If they are allowed to participate in leagues such as the Abu Dhabi T10, then it will be a big boost for their career.

AFAIK, if anyone plays for leagues which isn't organized by BCCI then they will become ineligible to play for team India as well as IPL so there will be no more career for those players if they played for other leagues. Which seems unfair but India don't want their star players to make money for other countries that is why they have such a rule in place.Don't forget crciker is one f the biggest politics ground.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 04, 2021, 12:26:41 AM

You already answered your query in your own reply.

Their majority of target audience are from the Subcontinent hence the names Maratha, Bangla, Qalandars etc

I still don't understand why the BCCI has a complete ban on Indian players participating in foreign leagues. They should at least allow those who doesn't have an IPL contract. There are promising players out there, such as Ashok Menaria, Manimaran Siddharth and Baba Aparajith, who never get a chance to play in the IPL. If they are allowed to participate in leagues such as the Abu Dhabi T10, then it will be a big boost for their career.

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Quote from: mersal on February 03, 2021, 10:07:13 AM

I am saying that mostly WI players featured in all the Franchise but why they got name resembles to IPL teams, No Indian players allowed to play on any other league then it is allowed to use the Indian team names for Foreign leagues. Roll Eyes

There are millions of Indians and Pakistanis working in the GCC region, with the biggest concentration in the UAE. Many of these people are blue class laborers, who visit India only once in 2-3 years. Since Pakistan used to play their home matches in the UAE, the nationals from that country residing there are not devoid of live cricket action. But that is not the case with the Indian fans. But even then, it doesn't make any sense to name teams after Indian regions, if they can't find any player who hails from there.

You already answered your query in your own reply.

Their majority of target audience are from the Subcontinent hence the names Maratha, Bangla, Qalandars etc

@JSRAW you’re absolutely correct as league organisers want to cash in on the sentiments of Indian cricket fans, because Cricket is the most watched sport out there, and if they can convince Indians to watch their league matches then they’ll get a huge loyal fan base. Also this strategy will yield them rich dividends in the long run, and hence I see nothing wrong with those names.

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https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/cricket-draws-93-of-sports-viewers-in-india-barc-119060400786_1.html

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2021, 10:10:10 PM

Quote from: mersal on February 03, 2021, 10:07:13 AM

I am saying that mostly WI players featured in all the Franchise but why they got name resembles to IPL teams, No Indian players allowed to play on any other league then it is allowed to use the Indian team names for Foreign leagues. Roll Eyes

There are millions of Indians and Pakistanis working in the GCC region, with the biggest concentration in the UAE. Many of these people are blue class laborers, who visit India only once in 2-3 years. Since Pakistan used to play their home matches in the UAE, the nationals from that country residing there are not devoid of live cricket action. But that is not the case with the Indian fans. But even then, it doesn't make any sense to name teams after Indian regions, if they can't find any player who hails from there.

You already answered your query in your own reply.

Their majority of target audience are from the Subcontinent hence the names Maratha, Bangla, Qalandars etc

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Quote from: mersal on February 03, 2021, 10:07:13 AM

I am saying that mostly WI players featured in all the Franchise but why they got name resembles to IPL teams, No Indian players allowed to play on any other league then it is allowed to use the Indian team names for Foreign leagues. Roll Eyes

There are millions of Indians and Pakistanis working in the GCC region, with the biggest concentration in the UAE. Many of these people are blue class laborers, who visit India only once in 2-3 years. Since Pakistan used to play their home matches in the UAE, the nationals from that country residing there are not devoid of live cricket action. But that is not the case with the Indian fans. But even then, it doesn't make any sense to name teams after Indian regions, if they can't find any player who hails from there.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 03, 2021, 07:05:31 AM

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Yup, again I watched an highlight where West Indies players all around the game and they are looking to hit six for every balls from the very first balls which is the actual cricket?

And the radius of cricket ground also should be reduced and probably they are trying to bring the international cricket into gully cricket. Grin

It is not just the West Indian players. A total of 60 balls are available to the 11 players, which works out to 5-6 balls per player. What are they supposed to do, other than hitting sixes? As the duration of the game reduces, the importance of the bowlers also goes down. In T10, the bowlers have hardly any contribution in the matches. It is completely dominated by the batsmen. IMO, we should not reduce the limit to less than 20 overs. For me, 20 overs is the limit and if you reduce it any further it is simply not cricket. For me, T10 resembles like baseball.

I am saying that mostly WI players featured in all the Franchise but why they got name resembles to IPL teams, No Indian players allowed to play on any other league then it is allowed to use the Indian team names for Foreign leagues. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 03, 2021, 08:16:33 AM

You need to give them the freedom to play anything and do not enforce these to the international levels and that is my opinion, when i was playing for local clubs 15 years ago, the initial rounds we had 10 over matches and in the semi finals and in the finals the matches goes to 15 overs and in some tournaments it was 20 overs and it was rarely i played 20 overs and that is the case when i played for university level as well.

Yeah.. during my college days, I also participated in 10-overs cricket. Back then, the lunch break was 1 hour, and we needed to finish the match within that time. So each of the teams were given 25 minutes or so to bowl 10 overs. But the catch was that the teams comprised of only 5-6 players and it was played on a smaller outfield. But the formal tournaments between various batches were in the 20-over format (that was even before the T20 cricket was invented, as I am talking about 2001-02 period). These matches were played on regular grounds, with 11-player setup.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 03, 2021, 07:05:31 AM

It is completely dominated by the batsmen. IMO, we should not reduce the limit to less than 20 overs. For me, 20 overs is the limit and if you reduce it any further it is simply not cricket. For me, T10 resembles like baseball.

You need to give them the freedom to play anything and do not enforce these to the international levels and that is my opinion, when i was playing for local clubs 15 years ago, the initial rounds we had 10 over matches and in the semi finals and in the finals the matches goes to 15 overs and in some tournaments it was 20 overs and rarely i played 20 overs and that is the case when i played for university level as well.

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Quote from: mersal on February 03, 2021, 03:57:15 AM

Yup, again I watched an highlight where West Indies players all around the game and they are looking to hit six for every balls from the very first balls which is the actual cricket?

And the radius of cricket ground also should be reduced and probably they are trying to bring the international cricket into gully cricket. Grin

It is not just the West Indian players. A total of 60 balls are available to the 11 players, which works out to 5-6 balls per player. What are they supposed to do, other than hitting sixes? As the duration of the game reduces, the importance of the bowlers also goes down. In T10, the bowlers have hardly any contribution in the matches. It is completely dominated by the batsmen. IMO, we should not reduce the limit to less than 20 overs. For me, 20 overs is the limit and if you reduce it any further it is simply not cricket. For me, T10 resembles like baseball.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 03, 2021, 01:12:34 AM

So far i didn't find T-10 format interesting, may be because we hardly see any premier international players in such tournament. Windies players do feature once a while but its not enough. Although things could change drastically once "The 100 ball" tournament kicks in or Big teams starts playing T-10.

May be in the future you will see many teams playing the T10 format, the problem is that it is too short for a cricket match and it is difficult to predict and it is not that interesting to see the batsman dominating the bowlers all the time. I like the contest between bat and ball rather than batsman having undue advantage.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 03, 2021, 01:39:44 AM

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Cricket can't be compared with Soccer or Olympic games because where players compete with each other in equal amounts whereas in cricket only 2 batsmen can be in the middle while 11 opponents stop their runs. 3.5 hours is not even enough to get the real cricket to feel because more longer you play the pitch will get better or worsen which is unlikely to change in a 10 over the game.

In that case, why can't we restrict the 10 over format to just 6 players? 11 players for 10 overs doesn't make any sense. It means that most of the players will never get a chance to showcase their skills. The number of players need to be reduced and that will make sure that everyone gets their chance.

Yup, again I watched an highlight where West Indies players all around the game and they are looking to hit six for every balls from the very first balls which is the actual cricket?

And the radius of cricket ground also should be reduced and probably they are trying to bring the international cricket into gully cricket. Grin

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 03, 2021, 02:32:28 AM

Apart from windies none of the players you mentioned are considered premier players even in their respective countries T-20 squad or national team. Jordan is okay but he's loosing his spot even in English team. Banton is new fish so hardly a premier asset atm. Tahir and Hafeez are about to retire soon although i consider them heavy weight but they can't attract crowd anymore and don't know how much eyeballs can Stirling pull off by his own.

Players such as Pollard, Russell and Gayle are crowd pullers and I need to appreciate the efforts of the Abu Dhabi Cricket Council for organizing such a tournament. They have also given chance to players from smaller nations such as USA, Nepal and Ireland. You can't expect Australian or Indian players in tournaments such as this one, for obvious reasons. Australians are worried about their fitness levels and they will restrict their participation to two leagues at the most in a calendar year (BBL/IPL). Indian players are not allowed to participate in any league apart from the IPL.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on February 03, 2021, 01:39:44 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on February 03, 2021, 01:12:34 AM

So far i didn't find T-10 format interesting, may be because we hardly see any premier international players in such tournament. Windies players do feature once a while but its not enough. Although things could change drastically once "The 100 ball" tournament kicks in or Big teams starts playing T-10.

Well.. this time they have a number of star players, including Pollard, Narine, Gayle, Shinwari, Stirling, Hafeez, Fletcher, Wiese, Ingram, Tahir, Afridi, Salt, Jordan, Banton, Tanvir, Hasan Ali, Dunk, Bravo, Lyth, Pooran and Russell. Obviously you are not going to find any Indian player, but I would say that the presence of international heavyweights is even better than BBL or CPL.

Apart from windies none of the players you mentioned are considered premier players even in their respective countries T-20 squad or national team. Jordan is okay but he's loosing his spot even in English team. Banton is new fish so hardly a premier asset atm. Tahir and Hafeez are about to retire soon although i consider them heavy weight but they can't attract crowd anymore and don't know how much eyeballs can Stirling pull off by his own.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 03, 2021, 01:12:34 AM

So far i didn't find T-10 format interesting, may be because we hardly see any premier international players in such tournament. Windies players do feature once a while but its not enough. Although things could change drastically once "The 100 ball" tournament kicks in or Big teams starts playing T-10.

Well.. this time they have a number of star players, including Pollard, Narine, Gayle, Shinwari, Stirling, Hafeez, Fletcher, Wiese, Ingram, Tahir, Afridi, Salt, Jordan, Banton, Tanvir, Hasan Ali, Dunk, Bravo, Lyth, Pooran and Russell. Obviously you are not going to find any Indian player, but I would say that the presence of international heavyweights is even better than BBL or CPL.

Quote from: mersal on February 03, 2021, 01:28:19 AM

Cricket can't be compared with Soccer or Olympic games because where players compete with each other in equal amounts whereas in cricket only 2 batsmen can be in the middle while 11 opponents stop their runs. 3.5 hours is not even enough to get the real cricket to feel because more longer you play the pitch will get better or worsen which is unlikely to change in a 10 over the game.

In that case, why can't we restrict the 10 over format to just 6 players? 11 players for 10 overs doesn't make any sense. It means that most of the players will never get a chance to showcase their skills. The number of players need to be reduced and that will make sure that everyone gets their chance.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2021, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: mersal on February 02, 2021, 11:44:02 AM

Youtube suggested me a highlight by Nicholas pooran until I didn't know about T10 league actually exists, good attempt and building their own kind of shorter form of league but I don't think this is going to be in International matches because even T20 itself the shortest and further reducing the match can't give actual essence of cricketing experience so with this kind of leagues we are actually killing the future of cricket.

The logic being given is that an average T20 match last for 3 to 3.5 hours, which is almost double the duration of a football or hockey match. They want to reduce the duration, in order to make it comparable with the other sports. T10 match takes around 1.5-2.0 hours at the most, which is similar to the duration for other sports. The organizers say that this variety is most suited for multi-sports events such as Olympics and Asian Games. But I have watched a few matches and I didn't liked the format. It is just mad hitting and nothing else. For me 10 over format is too short.

Cricket can't be compared with Soccer or Olympic games because where players compete with each other in equal amounts whereas in cricket only 2 batsmen can be in the middle while 11 opponents stop their runs. 3.5 hours is not even enough to get the real cricket to feel because more longer you play the pitch will get better or worsen which is unlikely to change in a 10 over the game.

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So far i didn't find T-10 format interesting, may be because we hardly see any premier international players in such tournament. Windies players do feature once a while but its not enough. Although things could change drastically once "The 100 ball" tournament kicks in or Big teams starts playing T-10.

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