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legendary
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FTC foo-ubar -ing


Checkpoints follow the v0.8/v0.11 chain. It's 1115685 blocks now, 168MH/s.



Checkpoint is the main problem why blockchain splitted. So it's not the guide to point the main blockchain.

1. Dev has stated that 0.9.3 blockchain is the main. Mostly, dev has the main decision power on this situation on other coins.
(For example, Dash dev had pointed even shorter blockchain when blockchain forked last year)

2. The main point why dev has decided 0.9.3 is that official release (from www.feathercoin.com) is version 0.9.3
Most of users should use 0.9.3 not v0.11. Some of them would use v0.8 but it's outdated.

3. Actually 0.9.3 block height is at 1116286
and other version is at 1115722
0.9.3 wallet has more longer height, too.


Why do you think 0.8/0.11 blockchain must be selected over 0.9.3?
(1) Not selected by dev, (2) Unofficial release or outdated, (3) shorter blockchain.

v0.9 has long standing compatibility issues. They weren't detected at the release time unfortunately. Although end users may use any wallet release available, v0.8 is advised for production until v0.11 matures enough to replace it. A patched v0.8 release may be available today.

Block chain length isn't important. It's cumulative difficulty to decide which chain prevails. The v0.8/v0.11 chain has 170MH/s now. The alternate chain is less than 50MH/s. I advise to switch your pool to the v0.8/v0.11 chain.


LOLZ
ftc is relatively small and concentrically organized and still its like herding cats to pull off a minor update to the network
btc is a global goo ball, and they want to hardfork it?
legendary
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I am getting very low connections to the TALK network. Anywhere I could find additional nodes to add onto the wallet? Would be great to have more connections to the network for faster syncing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

 i'm running ~5 days now - 4 peeers

"addr" : "5.196.109.69:39696",

"addr" : "91.153.109.149:50557",

"addr" : "194.135.88.180:50557",

"addr" : "54.187.214.128:43007",
legendary
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I am getting very low connections to the TALK network. Anywhere I could find additional nodes to add onto the wallet? Would be great to have more connections to the network for faster syncing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley
legendary
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c-cex.com sounds better Smiley. Not talking about Bittrex or Polo right now.

upd. Suggested TALK for the voting list at c-cex.
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DMD
will pay 1 diamond for anyone that can PM or post proof of staking TALK in the last 2.7 weeks
*offer good until 7 march

CACHe
will pay 20 TALK for anyone that can send me 1 CACH coin
PM or post in thread
limit 200 TALK for 10 CACH
*offer good until 27 march


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quote of the day

Did the inventors of Google and Facebook deserve to be rich?
When you put your hard earned dollars somewhere, you are voting for some people somewhere to get richer.

Put your currency into real estate, and enrich the land owners.
Put your currency into fiat dollars and enrich the families that invented the Federalreserve.
Put your money into bitcoin, and pay Gavin to tell you what forks will be forced upon the miners for eternity.
Put your money into Litecoin, and pay Chuck Lee to tell you that LTC needs no new development.
Put your money into Ripple, and pay their founding fathers to run their centralized servers.
Put your money into Dash, and pay Evan for his hard work (premine).
Put your money into Supernet and pay James (premine).
Put your money into BitShares and pay the Bitcoin1.O mining community who received the initial 1 week premine.
legendary
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Yes.  That wall.  All btc will go to funding a B.E.
Yes.   The price range sounds right, any extra will go towards another seednode.  I've seen a Block Explorer at 0.1 BTC
Yes.  If you PM me I will contract to buy back @300satos call able in June.

https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/index
legendary
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=========
block explorer fund

under 300satos wall
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/index

sales will be used to order block explorer


PM and I will guarantee buy back @ 300satos callable June 1 2016 (nothing to loose and you gain 15% if staking)

Wait what wall? Do you mean @0.00000297 that 0.2BTC sell wall?

How much do we need in total for the Block Explorer? like 0.12BTC?
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TALK of the day
Social FUD/astroturf campaigns are cheap and easy ways to try and control the narrative.

Whenever I see a little too much effort put into a fud post like this, I'm just gonna post a link to this article which explains why they're useful and used profligately throughout the cryptocurrency space. It's done by stakeholders of similar cryptocurrencies in order to protect the value of the one they're locked into, and it's also done by the fiat currency establishment in order to undermine, derail, or distract.

Have fun reading this article by way of my own little boilerplate FUD/astroturf neutralizer.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/i-m-a-former-green-beret-here-s-how-i-would-bring-down-bitcoin-1456165726

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block explorer fund

under 300satos wall
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/index

sales will be used to order block explorer


PM and I will guarantee buy back @ 300satos callable June 1 2016 (nothing to loose and you gain 15% if staking)


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Leroy Fodor has gone Full-Delusional; StakeMiners is 100% confirmed insolvent!

Allow me to fix that link for you.

100 page saga here
defendent fails the quid quo pro test
yes that ye old maxim

as follows;
You give StakeMiners your coins
StakeMiners gives you what?

(after that there's not much more to say)

I was cautious of StakeMiners from the go.  The concept is 90% right, but fails the quid quo pro test.  And still relies on the "Just Trust Us" genesis block.  This is no different than the critical fault of exchanges, Gox and Cryptsy stole in the Millions.

But I have an idea of using TALK as the B for the A and thus quid quo pro is solved.
legendary
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0.01 BTC wall
https://alcurex.org/index.php/crypto/index

sales will be used to order block explorer

PM and I will guarantee buy back @ 300satos callable June 1 2016 (nothing to loose and you gain 15% if staking)
legendary
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Go here to request coinmarketcap add the coin, be sure to include links to your current markets.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IZf5cBivam_93zENT_arFFuvWDidHGjWxoTMVmFSoWg/viewform
 Cool

Oh, looks like first we need a working block explorer Roll Eyes

We have one, but it seems to be non-operational.

I am willing to fund 1 with TALK.  Last I checked the better block explorers are $50.  
Can do an ICO to raise the funds.  Working on the details for now.

Also coinmarketcap once listed BCC, likely still in their database just switched to inactive.

http://crypto-city.com/index.php/talk/
legendary
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Go here to request coinmarketcap add the coin, be sure to include links to your current markets.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IZf5cBivam_93zENT_arFFuvWDidHGjWxoTMVmFSoWg/viewform
 Cool

Oh, looks like first we need a working block explorer Roll Eyes
legendary
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Any chance we could get this coin to coinmarketcap.com and some other exchanges like bittrex or c-cex?

Go here to request coinmarketcap add the coin, be sure to include links to your current markets.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IZf5cBivam_93zENT_arFFuvWDidHGjWxoTMVmFSoWg/viewform


 Cool
legendary
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Any chance we could get this coin to coinmarketcap.com and some other exchanges like bittrex or c-cex?
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If you had to give a worst case time for the pegging David ....what kind of date would we be looking at?

Also if we had issues with certain exchanges adding our pegging software in the new wallet would it not just be possible to create our own exchange with BAY and a few top level coins?

Obviously if we can get enough volume before then the exchanges will have to add us anyway.

I'm trying to get everything done this year, because I can't really move on until I do plus it will be very rewarding when its all done.

And I'm already working on a decentralized exchange in Blackcoin called NightTrader... the only reason that won't be the primary exchange is since its decentralized trades won't be as fast since it microtrades.

Sure so here is the timeline:
New patches and Mac and Linux updates (coming very soon)
Buy/Sell Anything Template
Employ/Find Job Template
Barter Template
Python Contracts Template
Staking in client/Completion of Halo Alpha
NT exchange beta
Pegging
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This coin looks very interesting to me, especially the interest rate. Seeing how active it is in dev and community, I think I am off to a good start investing in it. Will look more into it Cheesy
same remember to PM your TALK addie, I try to tip all comments, and flattering comments perhaps get you a bit more Wink
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newer manure
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17030173

suggested POS coins by TALK community
Coin....................Rate of Return................................Developer
BitBean1000 per blockTeamBean
Blackcoin1% per year Rat4
Bottlecaps 200% per year, cap 1000per blockTranz
BTCTalkcoin15% per yearNo Dev at the moment
Bumbar=2 speed=60secBumbaCoin
CBXPoSParticipate (6%-12%) 1hr. min?
CON ?% per year?
Diamond 25% per yearDanbi
HoboNickels 2% every 10 Days, cap 250 per blockTranz
HYP750%(theoretical?) actual earn ~68.43%presstab
JBS8%, min 8 hrs, no max age but max r=4 jyap
Kobo 10% per yearTheTribesman
MetalMusic ?% per yearmamamae
Mint 10% per year, 5% in 2017Fuzzbawls
NetcoinCoin Amt determines between 20% - 45% per yearNetcoin Foundation
Noblecoin 8% per yearEagleFlies
Nova25% per year +POWBalthazar
Pandacoin 2.5% per yearNo Dev at the moment
PhilosopherStone 50% per yearPalmdetroit / No Dev
Piggy ?% per year?
Pot ?% per year?
Sprouts 10% per 5 DaysNo Dev at the moment
T3k ~20 to 40% per monthNoise23
TOP ?% per yeartopcoindude
Truckcoin200% per year, cap 200 per block Noise23
TurboStake2.74% per 2 days No Dev at the moment
ZEIT 15% per year, 5% in 2017Rent_a_Ray






Nominators

PeterI Nova
Abiky Diamond, Nova, and Hyperstake
kiklo whatever he boot straps ;')
Groggin CBX, FLY, Vcash, Decred, Medic
BN CBX, TALK, PIG, POT, JBS, Medic, STV, Whipped, PAC, SQL
crymzyn TOP
bumba bumba
TheTribesman kobo
EBK1000 mojo
cryptonit DMD
mamamae metal
JJ12880 RAD

CBX
Groggin
BN

POT
potcoin POT
sigwo POT
BN

TRK
kiklo
bumba
Biomech https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/biomech-114407
tevasu https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tevasu-162789
EBK1000 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ebk1000-192658
*Sakura* https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sakura-249929
sluppy https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sluppy-256296

MINT
coolbeans94 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coolbeans94-148844
Derek492 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/derek492-326684
bram_vnl https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bramvnl-332259
URSAY https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ursay-16988
Fuzzballs https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fuzzbawls-522056

NOBL
cryptonit
MadCow https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/madcow-147581
eagleflies https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/eagleflies-399659
Fishmaster42

CON
suchmoon https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/suchmoon-234771
Cryptco https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptco-396267

NET
Mr. Net https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mr-net-204487
BITDV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitdv-360058
2bacco https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/2bacco-524803
bitbets https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitbets-168071
Netcoin Foundation https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/netcoin-foundation-368138
Trimegistus https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/trimegistus-331258
coinhugger https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinhugger-309033
Hippie Tech https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hippie-tech-31553

PnD
kiklo
jommy99 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jommy99-223687 formalRep
Nthused

HBN
kiklo
tokyoghetto
ghostlander
Hilux74
HCLivess
pazor_true
Tranz

PIG
piggycoin
wiser
animalroam
NoobKidOnTheBlock
ebliever
bitrain

BLK
publicjud
Buchi-88
STT

SPRT
kiklo
GoldSeal
o0o0
Nthused



CBX Cryptobullion
fly
vcash <---incredible tech! instant tx, decentralized governance, chainblender, staking android wallet (REALLY!) decred
also staking mediccoin
perhaps worthy of consideration, NTC or NineElevenTruthcoin.
Pure PoS there is PoW, (networkkhashps 324,037,712), but the reward is small, i forget exactly, i think 1 or 5. current money supply: 135,083,774, PoS rate 110%.
 i do remember the ANN, it said that it was "created by/for a small group of european investors", and that is just about all the info i have, as the ANN has been gone for some time, and i havn't seen anything else. tradable on Cryptopia
   and when it comes to trouncing the corporate buzzards, nothing like a dash of 9-11 truth! (except no one wants to listen)
            ...and here's a link to my (very old) paper on the subject:  Cool  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-EIEoh8FDQ0Z2RvbXNyb19nN3M
                (torrent) https://kat.cr/my-country-tis-of-thee-an-open-letter-to-the-citizens-of-the-planet-t94576.html
   ***

current suggested POS coins

gradeA
BLK, PPC, NOVA, and RDD seem legit $1Million dollar POS chains but i don't stake them

mid-range
PIG
TALK = how'd we end up at 6 figures  Wink
POT
JBS
sprouts
bean

low-caps "riskeyz"
WHIPPED = nice network numbers
PAC = shit client but growing trade popularity
MEDIC
SQL
STV


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legendary
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This coin looks very interesting to me, especially the interest rate. Seeing how active it is in dev and community, I think I am off to a good start investing in it. Will look more into it Cheesy
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