Topic: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network - page 20. (Read 309668 times)

Did i invest in My fat Greek wedding part 3??? Jeezzzs christ

No they can't!
After much debate regarding the very fundamentals of the chain, they still each assume a different logic framework. However the goal was and stayed the same for both teams regarding the requirements that the chain must satisfy eventually.

Now they also in disagreement on the stages that it takes to get there and if all stages are completely decentralized. So the gap is far to great to bridge for the two teams to work on the same chain. However the investors are that bridge since their investment is still funding the efforts of both teams  as it should be. (though is a concept that is hard to comprehend coming from the economics of a national currency monopoly).
Maybe will be useful to view that first from a consumer point of view as having two firm trying to get the best product, but then as a shareholder in both products which will benefit fro both success while is insured against a failure of one firm. Best deal ever for the investor, worst deal for the developer.

So no , they are not here for the money since if that was their goal they would have never split. way too much work having to compete and far more pressure for each team not talking about the personal price payed in getting to that point that lead to a split.


That is what I try to do, and it should workout even if the disagreement continue.


You got it better on the first try
they can not be back together , for unity they do not need to work together only our interest as investors should align. also there is no need to worry for a split in the community since both teams are working for all investor's interest .
Tezos is a result of making a lot of money over someone's else work and ideas without a deep enough understanding of what was behind these ideas.  And so is Cardano, on that by the way I can testify since I was the person introducing tauchain to Charles Hoskinson in person, back in march 2015 when he was still talking and working on totally other things.

Unlike Tezos and Cardano Tauchain and Autonomic are developed by the original thinkers and developers who came up with the concept to begin with. So they dont need hundreds of developers  and other team member to make up for the the lack of clarity in their goal, they can pretty much do it through their own work.

WTS 7.5k-15k AGRS (locked) tokens for 15% under Bittrex Bid. Ohad approved and asking as escrow. PM or msg on telegram, same user.

What tech are they talking about?

Has a proto type been released?

Or these bots are just pushing hype?

Buzz words are not an actuality but a trick.

Haha it seems both of the original team want to end up like Tesla.

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Dead before they have an operating product.

Ego is a weapon easily triggered...

Great minds also have the weakest..

too introverted into them self.

If they do not get their shit together and reform the tech will come out later, i will look for it..

The FAQ gives a bit of information as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/tauchain/comments/7pngv6/tauagoras_faq_updated_jan_2018/

At the moment there is only one dev. Ohad Adsor, works alone, to finish the TML (base code of Tau), this year + Alfa discussions platform.
 

^^^ thank you for this link!

Is team of devs big or just 1-2 people? Overal, how you rank - -devs are active?

https://steemit.com/tau-chain/@flis/the-vision-of-tau-chain-a-blockchain-based-self-amending-program-designed-to-scale-human-collaboration-and-knowledge-building

 New channel Telegram    https://t.me/tauchain

sorry. I am reading second time about this project. still cannot understood what it is about. Anybody can explain at least 3-5 sentences in normal language what it is about? Also, anybody can tell how big is dev team? is it 1-2 dev only?

just ignore, that post is too disconnected from reality to worth even reading

Interesting... I would be the first who support that approach if not  that sentence from Ohad:


so idk how that helps us

When do we get our locked tokens? I thought that was supposed to be around 1/1/2018.

One of the biggest problem of cryptocurrency is the lack of understanding of value , how it is created and how it is linked to a coin.
This problem carry on to the markets which does not reflect a rational value  since is using charts belonging to the fiat based stock-market and is mostly effected by traders who are used to that economy rules (but I will not address  the market issu on this reply)

On this reply I will address the issue of the Agoras token value and how the "Autonomic" branch of the project should increase that value, I will do that by mapping the evolution of the token:

1. 42,000,000 Coins where created by Ohad who is one of the two founders of the original Tauchain project.

2. These coins were issued to fund and eventually activate a platform named Zennet https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pre-annzenpre-sale-zennet-decentralized-supercomputer-official-thread-736447 which Ohad started on his own and which was planned to enable decentralized contracts (for computing power at first) payed for by the token. The token sale started then and some initial investors already got in.

3.  HMC met Ohad around that time and both decided to  develop together the Tauchain which gives rise to the notion of the network being self-defining Sort of a "piece of code that download itself from github and execute it, again and again, while the code might be changed and do additional operations in the meanwhile. A Tau client downloads its own code from the root chain: it downloads a block, executes the code in it, and this code instructs how to download and run the next block. By that, the client understands the blockchain according to the network rules that were relevant at that point of time when the block was created. http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap .

4. Ohad then decided that the original Zennet development would also move on to Tauchain and would be developed on the Tau rootchain as an app. For the investors that ment a delay in the actual execution of the token activated app, but for the price of developing  a much more advance autonomous ecosystem . On the way the investors gained the participation of a developer, some argue is at the top of his game.  His name on the bitcointalk forum is HunterMinerCrafter, which is how Ohad knew him and still is the only identity he goes by.    The tokens, now  named Agoras, moved on to the Tauchain projects and the sell continued under that new and more fundamental paradigm of a blockchain. While the root of that chain was never design to use or implement a token, Ohad affirmed his investors by committing to develop the Agoras activated app on the tauchian right after genesis of the Tauchain.

5. Once Tauchain was introduced by the two founders, Ohad and HMC, the new investors took on to the premise of that revolutionary self-defining network concept and invested in Agoras based on that.  

6. A dispute regarding the logic by which the underline language should be designed  resulted in a split leaving Ohad to lead the Tauchain development based on a new design while HMC with two other developers moved on to created Autonomic and continue executing the original design of the "old" Tauchain. They did not take any of the funds with them and did not commit to implement any app once genesis is achieved. iI terms of the investors half of the Tauchain effort that they invested in was no more funded by their investment.
 
7. Being involved in the project from the beginning ,( perceiving it as a crucial point to allow for a decentralized governing technology to be formed), I pleaded HMC and his team to ask for their share of the funds in order to support their branch of the development to create the rootchain on which the Agoras activated app would then be built. That request was also founded on Ohad's initial commitment to build the Agoras activated app on a chain that would prove to work. However this did not go well  since by that time the trust between the different developers reached an all time low.

8. Following that same line of reasoning I have decided to invest  my share of Agoras ( a share granted to me as having some key influences in the beginning and which was fully given to me by Ohad a while back) to help speed the development attempted by the Autonomic team. This move for lack of trust was perceived by Ohad as a betrayal . However I have constructed it (according to HMC suggestion) as a payment program that follow a milestones outline. In fact at that point I act as the treasurer of the Autonomic project.

9. To make sure that the Autonomic project will keep the vested interest of the Agoras Token holders  I have restricted all payment to be delivered in Agoras tokens as well as keeping all funds in Agoras token. This funding structure acts as insurance against a malicious damp while clearly incentive the Autonomic crew to work on behalf of the increased value to the Agoras tokens.

10. For the Angoras investors this move double the chance for return on their investment. Let me describe that in more details:
     A.  Assuming both chains would end up working out and on each a different Agoras based app would work then this would be like splitting the supply of the coins between two
          application. ( I hope that the math is clear to all ) .
     B.  On the other hand since assuming a failure to construct a rootchain is an option , the chances for such failure, having two active teams working on two different approaches
          to this yet unresolved problem, just been reduced to half (I hope that this math is also clear to all ).
     C.  I have great respect both for Ohad and HMC, I know both to be at the top of this game and to devote themselves for what they believe is the right way to achieve the same
          goal. However since both are yet to prove which is design is right. (maybe both would end up being complementary to each other) We as the investors are now put back in
          the position of gaining from the work of both teams despite the split and the distrust created along that fault line.

100% agree. In case everything will succeed and the progress positive, with the price rise and as much closer we to product release, we will see more and more of those impatient investors who left the train, trolls (even those claiming they are not),  jealous so called "vandalist enemy's" coming back here to throw they poison. It's just a human nature.
I think Ohad ready for this and his skin thick enough but anyways I want him to know that he has his supporters that appreciate his dedication to the project and his hard work.

Why all of a sudden the talk turned about autonomic?
Cause they accused me of "pulling the strings from backstage"?
12:24 < naturalog> autonomic people
12:24 < naturalog> who begged for coins when we opened this channel
12:25 < Karov> ah i c
12:26 < Karov> other members of autonomic
12:36 < Liaomiao> I typed up a reply, I guess you called it, autonomic ppl pulling the strings from backstage again
13:04 < Karov> dunno which ones, but why at all to feed the trolls ?
13:07 < Liaomiao> i think it's not good if the latest message on the forums is a troll message, but i completely agree that ohad should not waste his time replying


What a bunch of clowns.
The only reason i know about autonomic is that someone mentioned it, in the very same thread some time ago.
All i know that all the devs from the previous Tau Chain are now there.I havent even logged in their channel once.
But ofcourse im instantly labelled as one of them.Typical Ohad defense.Same old troll, fudder.... now autonomic pulling the strings from backstage lol.
Sure he needed hundreds if not thousands of BTC to fund Tau Chain and he has been so transparent about spending them.
All i see is how he spends hours everyday in the IRC chat with mindless chat, about whatever and posting youtube videos.
He must have really expensive internet and lifestyle.
Why everybody say: noone forced you to invest.""
Who said the opposite?
Still even after Ohad came out of his cave, he didnt even bother to reply to some of the points i made and be sure he reads
this thread daily.
That proves alot ,the main thing is that he simply doesnt care. He only cares about how much his BTC ( previously your BTC) is worth.

Still:
15:25 < naturalog> high quality innovative and useful (for various industries) code will be on github this year that's for sure

Which industries, what companies ?

Most of us willingly invested in the project because we believe in Ohad's intelligence, competence and vision. He didn't force us to surrender our money. Agoras remains as a project with one of the fairest and evenly distributed tokens in the crypto space.

I've been following the project since March last year and chose to invest in Ohad's ability to deliver on his design of Tau and Agoras. I believe most investors of Agoras tokens are in a similar boat.

I've not followed the Autonomic project, but I do sincerely hope the team succeeds in their endeavors and wish them the best. However, I find it disconcerting that some members of Autonomic have devoted considerable efforts to attack and undermine the interests of Agoras investors at every turn in the 10 months I've been following the project. I feel this is deeply unfair and hope it's not a reflection of the professional ethics of the Autonomic team as a whole.

2018 will be a monumental year for Tau and a lot of us are excited. I hope everyone can move forward amicably.

Ohad needed the funds and is using them for the development of the tauchian .
It has been taking all that time since both Ohad and HMC are in for the right construction , not the money, the tokens are the means to achieve that .

But yes have nothing to do with HMC identity. that was never part of the agreement between them. and so is Ohad's where about. it is his personal issue as is HMC identity .

HMC is not taking any payment. that was his standpoint all along and still is. He is whiling to participate in the development of the split (named autonomic)that is now funded with the Agoras tokens. as he also stated  in that quote above. so all interest are align even if feelings and egos are hurt.   

As I may understand  Ohad's view as this being an act of betrayal, from my point of view I see it as the optimal action taken assuming the unresolved argument regarding the fundamentals of the construction of the tauchain as visioned both by Ohad and HMC.