But lets see how it progresses
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Taxless? Means no government or whatsoever? People without rule are disastrous for sure, cant even think of it happening
But lets see how it progresses
But lets see how it progresses
This is a good step and good vision. Because many people are excited here especially those who know bitcoins and cryptos. But I'm sure that it's going to take some time now so many countries still do not make the bitcoins and crypto legal. So we are really going to have to push it as a money and become a cashless society and the whole world
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Something similar has already been invented. Such communities were called phalanstère. Only they failed. Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Maybe you should first try to understand the main concept of taxation. We pay taxes to finance the government. The government needs its finance to do its duties. There is no perfect government; corruption is born in every generation so just suck it up. There's no perfect system even that tax-less nation. If a country like that will ever born, I don't think it will last. Because 1, where it will get its finance. 2, how secured is that country (in economic, international relation, and military context). 3, how will it regulate its citizens? Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
I doubt we will ever see a day when the society is tax free and cashless. It would be a miracle if something like this happens. Instead, I feel that crypto currencies could become one of the primary alternate means of payment in the near future.
The thread is only about a taxless society not about a cashless society as well, I think in the future it may be possible if we go to anarchy, while many people think of anarchy as something bad, anarchy only means the absence of a central government, that is all, people could create a decentralized government that was truly representative with todays technology. 
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
This is utopia and it is not possible because no society ever survives without the citizenry giving back as tax to the government. How is the government going to survive without that. Except OP is saying the scenario exists without any known jurisdiction and in a state of no law? Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Now most countries who has legalized bitcoin too have plans to tax bitcoin beyond certain volume usage.
Yeah, what kind of plans are those, can you point to a source?
Because I call this pure bs.
You can't tax bitcoin on usage volume.
I can send one coin from one wallet to another 100 times , how is the government going to tax me?
They can only tax things that get converted into fiat value, they can't tax bitcoins and they will never tax it on volume ,you tax profits not revenue.
At present the tax less and free society is getting diminished. When the country has good wealth, it never thinks of the taxes and it tries to function of its own. At some point when the wealth reduces, automatically it is in need of an earning to compensate the past income. Similar manner tax has been getting levied over each and every nation whom in the past is a tax free nation. Now most countries who has legalized bitcoin too have plans to tax bitcoin beyond certain volume usage.
I think its too early to decide about future. I can see much more potential to the younger generation as I am 19 right now and I have already felt the educational growth the bitcoin has caused. Bitcoin has not only bought a new money system but also a new concept to study about. We are already lacking on ideas so this will help on growth. in addition to it, people can now understand how money actually works under the hood.
I doubt we will ever see a day when the society is tax free and cashless. It would be a miracle if something like this happens. Instead, I feel that crypto currencies could become one of the primary alternate means of payment in the near future.
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
do you think he solve the language problem ?
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
do you think he solve the language problem ?
It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.
Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.
What are just taxes? The ones that treat every person in the same way, meaning the amount you're paying is fixed, the same for every citizen, and made so that it's affordable to all. Unjust taxes are punishing those who are working harder and earning more, because they have to pay more than the rest.
Making people go to jail for not paying those unjust taxes is even more ridiculous. Think about it, you're taking a person that isn't contributing to society and putting him in a jail with murderers, rapists and thieves. He didn't pay his share, so is in debt to the government, yet the government spends money to prosecute and hold him against his will, feeding him, paying his medical bills while he's in. The government always knows how to waste money and make people's lives miserable.
If this is happened than where the govt earn money, you know most of govt income comes from taxes.
Taxless condition leads to stop development processes.
Taxless condition leads to stop development processes.
for me such society will never be materialized.
and even if it did become true i don't think it will last for a long time.
time will come that leaders will have to step up.
and this leaders will not be able to run a society without financial support which could only come from citizens taxes.
therefore time will come that society will crumble on its own.
and even if it did become true i don't think it will last for a long time.
time will come that leaders will have to step up.
and this leaders will not be able to run a society without financial support which could only come from citizens taxes.
therefore time will come that society will crumble on its own.
It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.
Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.
What are just taxes? The ones that treat every person in the same way, meaning the amount you're paying is fixed, the same for every citizen, and made so that it's affordable to all. Unjust taxes are punishing those who are working harder and earning more, because they have to pay more than the rest.
Making people go to jail for not paying those unjust taxes is even more ridiculous. Think about it, you're taking a person that isn't contributing to society and putting him in a jail with murderers, rapists and thieves. He didn't pay his share, so is in debt to the government, yet the government spends money to prosecute and hold him against his will, feeding him, paying his medical bills while he's in. The government always knows how to waste money and make people's lives miserable.
Awesome idea..
Would be great to automate such society otherwise the ill you are fleeing from in evil societies may crop up in the new society.
THE SOCIETY ADMINISTRATORS COULD BE:
1. Softwares, bots, codes, robots, machines, can take 60—70% of administrative components.
2. Humans take charge of 15%—25%
The non-human administrators should be:
Hack-proof,
TRANSPARENT,
Unbiased,
Infallible, &
Must never violate the society rules,
in other to be considered for roles
The new Society/Country MUST BE VERY VERY TRANSPARENT AND SUSTAINABLE. Freedom (mustn't be harmful to others) MUST be respected.
Should be a society ruled by ideas, innovation and creativity...
A state cannot be total tax free bit it can be reduce up to grass root level. The only way to attain such situation is use bitcoins because there is no tension of tax in the bitcoin and no revenue can be deducted so invest in bitcoin and use it for your daily life transactions. Would be great to automate such society otherwise the ill you are fleeing from in evil societies may crop up in the new society.
THE SOCIETY ADMINISTRATORS COULD BE:
1. Softwares, bots, codes, robots, machines, can take 60—70% of administrative components.
2. Humans take charge of 15%—25%
The non-human administrators should be:
Hack-proof,
TRANSPARENT,
Unbiased,
Infallible, &
Must never violate the society rules,
in other to be considered for roles
The new Society/Country MUST BE VERY VERY TRANSPARENT AND SUSTAINABLE. Freedom (mustn't be harmful to others) MUST be respected.
Should be a society ruled by ideas, innovation and creativity...
The idea sounds nice, but I shall wait to get more details. I wonder how this new "place" will deal with bad people. The rapists, the thieves, etc... A major issue in Europe today, is that in every big cities, there are thousands of beggars and penniless African migrants, how will this new society handle those people? With which money if there's no tax?
Europe has been through worse times than this migrant "invasion".
Everybody forgets about the attacks of italian spanish or greek left wing extremist supported by the URSS.
And besides those there were IRA, ETA and many more.
Forget rapists and thieves.
How is this country going to protect itself?
With no army will the citizens take arms and fight? This sounds so stupid but I don't doubt there will be some lunatics buying it.
There is no such thing a a free society, a society with no rules.Even if you abolish all the laws by default there would be a supreme one, the law of the jungle where the one with power will beat the ass of the weaker one. Enjoy the 11k bc scenario.
This can only exist if resources are no longer finite (requirement for some form of next to free energy and the abilty to utilise this to shape matter) Sounds sci fi to me!
I have the same opinion. I don’t think so we are ever going to experience such society. This is very idealistic approach whereas in the real world, we can never live a tax free life. Taxes are there to be sued on us for our welfare but unfortunately they are used to kills others. 
Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws
What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?
An ideal society that he envisages is a myth that won't come true by no means. State existence is not about the bad policies of government and how they tax citizens to death alone but about keeping the social setting in order without having to put life and property in jeopardy.
A society exist when people go about and carry out their business without the fear of being attacked by someone whose duty he believes is to attack but keeping the streets safe to a large extent is the payment of money to some people who are the police officers and that alone comes from the taxes we pay. Imagine a tax free society, how do we ensure that order will still be kept?
Only if the people allowed in will be limited by virtue of stringent conditions then its no longer free.
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