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Quote from: SiDtHeBeSt on September 21, 2017, 01:43:06 PM

It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.

Yes it is, taxes are for development, infrastructure, establishments and public services, I think having taxes with everything and everyones money if taxes will go to their purposes but nowadays corruption is being accepted to government and it limits the possibility for a country to become progressive as soon as possible.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

Same here. No matter how good does the new country on which it says its Taxless and free society.I dont really care at all and im wondering what would be the location on that place. Its seems so hard to believe to have this kind of society that would exist on this world knowing that most all government or those who rule on the top would end up on being corrupted sooner or later.

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Tax free and free society?Oh come on dude,that's impossible when you are in the Philippines. Everything in your surroundings is payable by tax no one is excempted even the infant,their milk and diapers are payable of tax. So how can we imagine the country without tax? In term of free society thats also a big issue in our country when you are against in new administrative you did not get any care specially in politics. The worst scenario is when you are an ordinary man or a poor man any time they can control you or even worst they can take your breath.

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I don't think this will work and it doesn't really sound good. Taxless? Come on... Even if my country is pretty much f_cked up at the moment, i'd never move to that utopistic land.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Buying off land?
Since Alaska no country is stupid enough to sell land.

People are mistaken when they hear somebody has bought an island in Greece.
They bought that island like you buy a flat, the country that owns that land is still Greece and they can do whatever they want with it if they decide to nationalize.

And let's be reasonable.
Let's say you achieve independence. You become prosperous. What will happen next?
You are going to get invaded by your neighbors and crushed in a matter of hours.

And nobody will save you because it will serve as a lesson from the governments to utopians.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I don't know, I not completely against taxes, because they do provide a way for everyone to contribute to development of our country. I don't like of course the way that the money raised from taxes is sometimes used, so it's hard to imagine how things would work. I would still like this to go through, it would be a great social experiment.

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I do not think that such a thing like a really free society is possible.
A societiy is made of individuals, and when the number of individuals grows, you will have a few with questionable moral there as well.
Those will try to rule the others. The only way to prevent that is for the others to stick together, and set up some rules as well...

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very difficult in Asian countries because the possibility of the government will not free all people buy the land without any taxes, because from there state income comes automatically if it is not your country impossible will happen.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Free society awakes in me association with Sadom & Hamora, or if the talk is about tax free society - communism or a village of old years where people changed goods that they produced to get products or services they needed. Whatever it would be, I support enthusiasts and I would like to see better from a side how this country is going to work.

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Swiss cantons model / Ireland model
--> still taxes, but extremely low in order to attract big bag holders and play the volume.

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Ireland only has cheap taxes if your a big cooperation like google paypal facebook .Regular citizens pay 42% tax on there income

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I appreciate him trying to advance civilization but I don't think this is a good idea. I'd rather live in a country that uses Bitcoins for daily transactions, big and small.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

It is still all about in a planning stage I think and there is no physical move has been created yet because such kind of thing has never been done before in our lifetime and doing that will require a big budget financially of course and a lot of work, how do the significance of this project will help the people that will take part of it because giving people things that is free will make them unproductive.

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What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I think it is a long time ago when a new country has been born. It is quite interested that there is a group of people that have and idea in making a new country but we must know first the essence of this project before making an action to it as this people is business minded people that will not take or make a project that is not profitable for them, Silicon valley people, if you know what I mean.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on September 22, 2017, 12:45:39 AM

No hopes of ever happening. A country is not ruled by one person sitting on the throne but also by everyone else in the country. If taxes are totally removed there is no money for the government to pay for the expenses. Now many people believe that the governments waste that money but even if they do there are so many government services that people fail to recognize and thus make such claims.

Also a free society is a false term. A society can never be free - the word society means we are bound to each others support and cannot survive without it. If you really want to be free there will only be anarchy unless a society is developed.

There is no chance that this such thing will ever happen, a society without a government or rules will be abused by many for the benefits of themselves only.it will only happen when everyone have one point in view in life and if they understand each and everyone.

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No hopes of ever happening. A country is not ruled by one person sitting on the throne but also by everyone else in the country. If taxes are totally removed there is no money for the government to pay for the expenses. Now many people believe that the governments waste that money but even if they do there are so many government services that people fail to recognize and thus make such claims.

Also a free society is a false term. A society can never be free - the word society means we are bound to each others support and cannot survive without it. If you really want to be free there will only be anarchy unless a society is developed.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

This is so stupid, who will agree to it, once you leave your country and go to this guy country, you're under his control, plus which country passport will you use to travel, since no country will recognize this country. Also if some militants attack you, who will come to save you, I don't like taxes, who does but this idea is a stupidly at it's best. I don't think this Roger guy ever thinks for others, all he thinks for himself and it's a no go.

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Quote from: ohlawdy on September 21, 2017, 11:58:11 PM

Nobody likes taxes but they are fundamental to a working society i think, i agree that there is a lot of taxmoney wasted but people and money is corruption no way around that.

There always has to be someone in charge or i believe we will fall back alot as a society.
In the end i think your view on this also depends on the country you are from and the government it has.

You do not like taxes fees while you want your country can develop more, this is a wrong thought.
The government need have money to develop your country, like ICO projects or other projects calling for investment.

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And what he means by the word free society, this means equality, but then it is not a country, since the country has by definition the supreme power. There is nothing of this and there will not be, but there will be complete bacchanalia.

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Nobody likes taxes but they are fundamental to a working society i think, i agree that there is a lot of taxmoney wasted but people and money is corruption no way around that.

There always has to be someone in charge or i believe we will fall back alot as a society.
In the end i think your view on this also depends on the country you are from and the government it has.

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Quote from: blockcha1n on September 21, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

I am not interested to move in a new country. Even if it is taxless and free society as what they claim, I am happy with my own country. Tax is the blood of the government so there is no problem for me to pay tax because it is my obligation as a citizen. There may be some problems in our country because some of the government officials use the tax for their own benefit but I believe that our country would still progress because there are good leaders who genuinely support the people.

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How does Roger plan to pay for his "Water World" once it is operational? He needs money to keep things going. Either the community as a whole works to deliver some good or service that can be sold for income or the money comes from the people that are living in this community. The former is called a company, the latter is called taxes.

Either way the people are required to devote personal resources for the common benefit of the community. I'd rather be able to do what I want to earn money to pay taxes than be required to do what someone else mandates I must do to meet that same burden of support for the community.

There's nothing bad about taxes. There's something bad about taxes when each of us doesn't have the right or the representation to decide what gets taxed and by how much.

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